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Hi cosycatus, thanks for the post.

Yes, I undestand the structure of the NTU/NUS MBA and the typical cohort, hence the preference in not taking their MBA

For Insead, my MD took his from an aussie uni that is not branded (he's australian and did his MBA way before coming to SG) so asking him to pay so much for my super branded MBA might be politically touchy... (you what I mean? :look:) Still, I'll take the school into consideration as you have a very valid point - networking which as you have correctly pointed out , is actually one of my KPI under business growth.

Thanks again for your post.

- I guess u have to weight how open he is to such matters. Some bosses have the fear of their subordinates doing better or having it better than themselves.

- Anyway, the networking from Stra might not be too bad. Seriously, networking is not about meeting top managers, but people from vastly different fields who might actually one day use ur products.
Small doors lead to big doors.

The Stra admin is quite helpful, you can call them up for talk to them for some insight about the class consituent.
 

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So it seems that the Strathclyde MBA suits my needs (I understand that different MBAs suit different ppl's needs so no bashing here please) with perharps alittle more investigation on the Manchester Business School.

Insead is alittle bit tough but I'll keep in at the back of my head.

As there will be Education / MBA fairs along the year, I'd most probably make a decision by June (as I'd need time to prepare for the application documents).

In the meantime, do feel free to provide to the dicussion

Thanks
 

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my MBA application essay is for sale at S$150 nett non-neg. however it cannot be used if you are applying to my biz sch (which we will talk about at a later stage).

interested please pm me. :s8:
 

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my MBA application essay is for sale at S$150 nett non-neg. however it cannot be used if you are applying to my biz sch (which we will talk about at a later stage).

interested please pm me. :s8:


thanks but no thanks, I reckon I'll handle my own essay personally.

Regards
 

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I just took a look at the Strathclyde MBA and seems its flexible learning structure - which combines self-studies, intensive seminars, local tutorials - is quite similar to that of the Manchester MBA - i.e. it does not tie you down to weekly lectures you must mostly attend.
If your job require you to travel, this flexibility will be a plus point.

Here is some info if you like to "investigate" more about the "part-time" Manchester MBA:

1. 8 core modules (finance or biz track) + 4 electives + 1 big personal project/report.
(If you take the engrg business track, you will need to do a group "live" project/report for one company within your group, plus a smaller personal project)

2. Each 5-month module consist of distance-learning self-study supported by study guides/texts and international e-forums, 3 local tutorial sessions, 1 assignment, 1 exams + 25 hours of workshop/seminar conducted by the UK faculty (who usually fly in for 3 full days or 2 evenings + weekend). The workshop can also be attended in any of their teaching centers in HK, Dubai etc..

3. You can take as many or as little modules you want per 5-month semester, so you can take between 2.5 - 5 years to complete (ave 3 years).

4. Local office and teaching center is at 1 Philip Street (Raffles place MRT)
and is directly administered by the Manchester Business School worldwide division
- not via an agent.
(A key plus point for me as not many MBA business school has a local presence directly here).

5. Ranked consistently 22th in the world in the very competitive FT rankings (2006, 2007, latest 2008), triple-accredited.
http://media.ft.com/cms/9fe070e6-ca70-11dc-a960-000077b07658.pdf


So it seems that the Strathclyde MBA suits my needs (I understand that different MBAs suit different ppl's needs so no bashing here please) with perharps alittle more investigation on the Manchester Business School.

Insead is alittle bit tough but I'll keep in at the back of my head.

As there will be Education / MBA fairs along the year, I'd most probably make a decision by June (as I'd need time to prepare for the application documents).

In the meantime, do feel free to provide to the dicussion

Thanks
 
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the enviable salaries we saw at ft.com of ivy league MBA grad are:

i) the western pay scale, which we all know is at least 50%-100% more than asians partly due to the much higher gov tax. its the same story working at silicon valley.

ii) the top biz schs have been selective in shortlisting students to participate in ranking surveys upon grad. those brokers/traders/self employed with high commission payout will be targetted first. there was an article before on how to increase MBA rankings for the audited salary column. the author recommended biz sch to accept brokers/private bankers as top priority student during enrolment.

iii) outside of US/EU, say hewlett packard asia pacific. do you all think their HRD will pay ivy league grad US$100k working as a business development manager 3 years later? hahahaha.

ivy league grads will most probably stay within US/EU because of the salary. the rest of the world will be complemented by mostly non-ivy league grads to fill mgmt positions, for mnc like HP, etc. i personally know of 2 managers from local MNC sponsored by their employers to do a distance learning MBA. another 2 senior personnel got promoted to managers after they started their distance learning MBA.

who says not worthwhile? :s13: of course it will be if the whole world = wall street

*my context is asia where other than insead, most MBA are meant for working adults/professionals at least 32+ yo.

interestingly i was reading the article as well
http://search.ft.com/ftArticle?queryText=imd&aje=true&id=080128000078&ct=0

as for salary, you cant do what you suggested. you send the survey to the entire population of students. FT audits them every 5 yrs or when the numbers look odd (one particular uni once bribed a FT chap and got into top 20 and was found out lol)
and if you happen to know which school does it, you can make some money by emailing that info to the school just beneath it LOL!

and i do agree that the salary tend to be biased bcos they grads do tend to stay in US or euro. And most MNCs only hire these people for their internal consulting roles (in HP's case it used to be the SPAM group in US)

and lately, the whole world = wallstreet. haha
just look at the bloodied streets of new york and the world! :p
 

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Hi danzodanzo,

Firstly, sincere thanks for all your posts, in particular, the one I quoted, it provided me with some useful insights.

Not meaning to be lazy but if you could, can you provide a similar analysis for the Strathclyde MBA? It would be great to see some analysis from a 3rd party point of view.

Regards

I just took a look at the Strathclyde MBA and seems its flexible learning structure - which combines self-studies, intensive seminars, local tutorials - is quite similar to that of the Manchester MBA - i.e. it does not tie you down to weekly lectures you must mostly attend.
If your job require you to travel, this flexibility will be a plus point.

Here is some info if you like to "investigate" more about the "part-time" Manchester MBA:

1. 8 core modules (finance or biz track) + 4 electives + 1 big personal project/report.
(If you take the engrg business track, you will need to do a group "live" project/report for one company within your group, plus a smaller personal project)

2. Each 5-month module consist of distance-learning self-study supported by study guides/texts and international e-forums, 3 local tutorial sessions, 1 assignment, 1 exams + 25 hours of workshop/seminar conducted by the UK faculty (who usually fly in for 3 full days or 2 evenings + weekend). The workshop can also be attended in any of their teaching centers in HK, Dubai etc..

3. You can take as many or as little modules you want per 5-month semester, so you can take between 2.5 - 5 years to complete (ave 3 years).

4. Local office and teaching center is at 1 Philip Street (Raffles place MRT)
and is directly administered by the Manchester Business School worldwide division
- not via an agent.
(A key plus point for me as not many MBA business school has a local presence directly here).

5. Ranked consistently 22th in the world in the very competitive FT rankings (2006, 2007, latest 2008), triple-accredited.
http://media.ft.com/cms/9fe070e6-ca70-11dc-a960-000077b07658.pdf
 

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that ranking is for full time mba

FT also publishes rankings for distance learning mba
http://media.ft.com/cms/a47575cc-d31...00779e2340.pdf

for part time mba you can see business week
http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interac...ol_ptmba_2007/

and then you have economist
http://mba.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=2007rankings

without a common basis for competitive comparison on p/t & d/l programmes, FT MBA statistics are commonly used to denote the recognition of the course especially when some p/t &d/l certificates bear the same parchment as the FT MBA. in my opinion, all the links you have presented are still lacking in objective/professional assessment. they merely encapsulated student's feedback and enrolment statistics, a far cry of professional assessment on the academical quality. :look:

interestingly i was reading the article as well
http://search.ft.com/ftArticle?queryText=imd&aje=true&id=080128000078&ct=0

as for salary, you cant do what you suggested. you send the survey to the entire population of students. FT audits them every 5 yrs or when the numbers look odd (one particular uni once bribed a FT chap and got into top 20 and was found out lol)
and if you happen to know which school does it, you can make some money by emailing that info to the school just beneath it LOL!

and i do agree that the salary tend to be biased bcos they grads do tend to stay in US or euro. And most MNCs only hire these people for their internal consulting roles (in HP's case it used to be the SPAM group in US)

and lately, the whole world = wallstreet. haha
just look at the bloodied streets of new york and the world! :p

no all in my cohort received the invitation to participate in survey dude. incidentally, so far i have only noticed 1 job posting from HP/SPAM and requiring 10 yrs exp in the same field which i shy'ed away. bloodshed in Fall Street. run by MBA's, and i would like to stress, the elites! not to worry, the prospect of APAC non FT MBA grad is still good, as long as they are rich in experience and do not ask for the stars and moon.
 

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If you read carefully, the DL MBA list is just Financial Times's picks of top DL MBAs,
- not by rankings.

They only published on global ranking once per year. i.e.
http://media.ft.com/cms/9fe070e6-ca70-11dc-a960-000077b07658.pdf

For the case of Manchester and Strathclyde, all MBA formats leads to the same cert.
(You can also opt to fly to UK to do a few modules on campus).
If you are considering a career switch, and/or are early in your career, perhaps a Full-Time MBA is better.
However, if you are mid/top-career, a part-time/exec MBA will fit the bill better,
and you get to network among the current managers of the industries, as well as apply/derive your learnings on-the-job.
(This is the biggest plus point of a Part-Time over a Full-Time MBA, as most Full-Time participants are younger and has NO CURRENT Jobs).

that ranking is for full time mba

FT also publishes rankings for distance learning mba
http://media.ft.com/cms/a47575cc-d3...uuid=70d09d1c-b811-11da-bfc5-0000779e2340.pdf
 
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without a common basis for competitive comparison on p/t & d/l programmes, FT MBA statistics are commonly used to denote the recognition of the course especially when some p/t &d/l certificates bear the same parchment as the FT MBA. in my opinion, all the links you have presented are still lacking in objective/professional assessment. they merely encapsulated student's feedback and enrolment statistics, a far cry of professional assessment on the academical quality. :look:



no all in my cohort received the invitation to participate in survey dude. incidentally, so far i have only noticed 1 job posting from HP/SPAM and requiring 10 yrs exp in the same field which i shy'ed away. bloodshed in Fall Street. run by MBA's, and i would like to stress, the elites! not to worry, the prospect of APAC non FT MBA grad is still good, as long as they are rich in experience and do not ask for the stars and moon.


i totally agree!
all the rankings are skewed 1 way or the other so take it with a pinch of salt!

that said i actually think the ranking of rankings which is like a combination of all the rankings perhaps makes the most sense? maybe, i dunno haha

as for the feedback, if you are serious, write to FT about it. I guarantee you will make more moola than selling your essay :p

btw, this FT ranking is using 2004 grads stats i THINK. :p
 

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If you read carefully, the DL MBA list is just Financial Times's picks of top DL MBAs,
- not by rankings.

They only published on global ranking once per year. i.e.
http://media.ft.com/cms/9fe070e6-ca70-11dc-a960-000077b07658.pdf

For the case of Manchester and Strathclyde, all MBA formats leads to the same cert.
(You can also opt to fly to UK to do a few modules on campus).
If you are considering a career switch, and/or are early in your career, perhaps a Full-Time MBA is better.
However, if you are mid/top-career, a part-time/exec MBA will fit the bill better,
and you get to network among the current managers of the industries, as well as apply/derive your learnings on-the-job.
(This is the biggest plus point of a Part-Time over a Full-Time MBA, as most Full-Time participants are younger and has NO CURRENT Jobs).

ah, you are right!

and yes, increasingly younger kids are doing their MBA!
 

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Hi danzodanzo,

Firstly, sincere thanks for all your posts, in particular, the one I quoted, it provided me with some useful insights.

Not meaning to be lazy but if you could, can you provide a similar analysis for the Strathclyde MBA? It would be great to see some analysis from a 3rd party point of view
Regards

Hope the below helps.

Strathclyde MBA

1) One semester is 6 months, 4-5 subjects per 6 months . 6 exams during first year. No exams for second year. for subjects with no exams, fully based on assignments. first year foundation subjects like finance, HR, accounting, marketing. Second year on strategy. average one assignment per month. 16 subjects altogether ( including 3 electives)

2) Strategy MBA with no specific specialisations. Intensive seminars and workshops conducted by strathclyde people ( one intensive seminar per month). local counselling sessions by local lecturers ( average twice a week).

3) No minimum attendance requirement to take the examinations. Option to choose the no. of subjects to be taken per semester.

4) can be completed in 2 years . Max is 6 years.

5) flexibility to transfer to Glasgow or any other centres at any stage .

6) Can do the electives in Glasgow or any other centres ( bahrian, dubai, oman, switzerland, greece , hongkong and etc) at no extra cost.

7) ranked no. 30 in 2008 FT ranking.
http://rankings.ft.com/global-mba-rankings

8) Local partner is times management, minus point is location is not accessible for people who dun drive.

:D
 

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I think Strathclyde MBA is good choice.
By the way if you can go for the GMAT then SMU is also offering MBA from this year onwards.
 

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I think Strathclyde MBA is good choice.
By the way if you can go for the GMAT then SMU is also offering MBA from this year onwards.

Hi komatineni,

Thanks for highlighting SMU but personally, I think their MBA is overrated (both brand and cost).

Thanks again.
 

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I would go for the Nanyang mba, but that would only be my personal choice. And with no reference to my earlier statement, i would be more concern with the industry's perception of the mba, rather than the perception of the general mass.

But still, at the end of the day its only a door opened. You can walk in, but they can also ask u to walk out haha
 

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Yeah, i feel the same for SMU after getting some info about the course.
Now i am zoomed in to Manchester Vs Strathclyde .
 

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with due respect but please apply both. don't be over confident scarli both rejected. i think the success rate was something like 1:2 to 1:3. :D
 

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with due respect but please apply both. don't be over confident scarli both rejected. i think the success rate was something like 1:2 to 1:3. :D

Thanks Bro,

Yeah, I'll apply to both but need to make mind for other reasons :) cost, content etc..
 
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