Terminator Salvation : The Future Begins

[Jerry007]

Info from comingsoon,net:

Variety reports that Warner Bros. has acquired North American distribution rights to Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, triggering an early 2008 production start for a film that seeks to reinvent the cyborg saga with a storyline to be told over a three-movie span.

WB plans to distribute "Terminator Salvation" in summer 2009.

The "Terminator" film franchise got a new lease on life in spring, when privately funded Halcyon and its co-CEOs Victor Kubicek and Derek Anderson teamed with Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines executive producer Moritz Borman to acquire film, merchandising and licensing rights from ex-Carolco partners Andy Vajna and Mario Kassar. Kubicek, Anderson and Borman are producing the new film, with Peter D. Graves as executive producer.

WB had first right of negotiation for domestic theatrical and TV distribution rights because the studio played the same role on 2003's Jonathan Mostow-directed "Terminator 3."

The producers said that the new film will carry the size and scale of "Terminator 3," and will have an event-sized budget.

Sony Pictures Entertainment, which distributed "Terminator 3" in most overseas territories, is expected to get first crack at a reprise. Several other territories are spoken for, including Japan, where Toho-Towa is expected to distribute once again.

A screenplay has been completed by "Terminator 3" writers John Brancato and Michael Ferris, and the financiers and studio are close to locking a director. While industry buzz has Charlie's Angels director McG as the odds-on favorite for the assignment, the producers said no final decision had yet been made.

"This is set in the future, in a full-scale war between Skynet and humankind," Anderson told the trade.

Borman said: "The third film was really the conclusion of what happened in the 'now.' You will find the most-loved characters, but the intention here is to present a fresh new world and have this be the first of a trilogy."

The producers said it wasn't yet clear whether Arnold Schwarzenegger will be back for his fourth appearance in the franchise that launched his movie career. "T3" was the last film in which he starred before becoming governor of California.

"We've left it open for him to maybe do a cameo," Borman said. "He has an important job, as we know, and the final decision will be based on his desire and availability, along with what the director wants."

[cal127]

Money is on who's gonna play termie. There were rumors that actor Vin disel have been considered for the role :s22:

IF its up to me I'll cast the much underrated Eric Bana. :D

[upslorry]

Eric Bana is good
or how about a change of taste: Johnny Depp ? :D

[MatrixFanatic]

Eric Bana is good
or how about a change of taste: Johnny Depp ? :D

Johnny Depp too lively for a robot. :o

[Jerry007]

Johnny Depp too lively for a robot. :o

Keanu Reeves should be wooden enuff.

[mango.fish]

Johnny Depp too lively for a robot. :o

oh yea ? :s13: Edward Scissorshand for that matter? :s13:
he definitely can be robotic if he wants to

[AJ_Style]

Find the rock lah..........

[ExK]

hahahaha this thread cracks me up ... I almost spit out my cereal :D.

I agree with aj_style actually. Vin Diesel is too predictable a choice, and the rest like johnny depths are too skinny. We need prime beef for that role. The rock definitely fits the bill.

[FlashBack]

hahahahah...i can't imagine the rock doing 'the eye' move as a cyborg :s22:

[dmstar]

Edward furlong was rumored to be back for this round of installment

[ExK]

Edward furlong was rumored to be back for this round of installment

as the terminator ?? :s31:

[Jerry007]

as the terminator ?? :s31:

should be John Connor rite?

[Providence]

If I am correct, John Connor will die in order to allow himself to be born in the past. The cycle of events cannot be altered so I guess you can really forget about changing the past.

[knave]

Christian Bale anyone?

[ExK]

Christian Bale anyone?

It's 'I'll be back' not 'I'll be bat' .... :s7:

[LiquidShaDow]

It's 'I'll be back' not 'I'll be bat' .... :s7:
LOL :s13: :s22:

[networm]

Why do we need ppl to play terminators? Aren't they all machines? The only reason why they got Arnie to play was because the robot has to disguise himself. But in the future, I don't think there's a need for disguise, and I'm sure the humans would already have means to see thru the disguises, rendering them useless, unless we're talking about Cylon technology... lol... I think the machines will be more Matrix like, tunnels, wirings and tubings all over the place. Only the droids and crafts will be sent out for war. Skynet will probably be underground or something, well protected by defence system.

[ExK]

Why do we need ppl to play terminators? Aren't they all machines? The only reason why they got Arnie to play was because the robot has to disguise himself. But in the future, I don't think there's a need for disguise, and I'm sure the humans would already have means to see thru the disguises, rendering them useless, unless we're talking about Cylon technology... lol... I think the machines will be more Matrix like, tunnels, wirings and tubings all over the place. Only the droids and crafts will be sent out for war. Skynet will probably be underground or something, well protected by defence system.

wow you do have a point there .... ;)

[F3Rm1nat0r]

why not the rock as the terminator?
he's become quite a versatile actor
as a t-1000 i mean

[tequila_powered]

From the various T movies, we saw that the Terminators are plain metal during open battleground fight with humans. But we also saw that they would have humankind-skin when attempting to infiltrate bases.


Arnie said that he killed John. So if the new movie depicts the killing in an open battleground, fair game to use CGI metal unskinned terminators. But if the killing is done via infiltration strike (eg Terminator 1 movie), then they would have to find an Arnie look-alike.

And the present actor looking most alike to Arnie is..........drum rolls.......





























the guy who acted as Arnie-terminator in the Jesus Christ - Terminator bodyguard spoof. Bring him on. :s13:

[Wzierbovsky]

Haha that spoof was a goofy ball of fun. Where's that link again? :)

[jujube]

the casting is secondary


what i wanna know is whether Jim Cameron gonna return to direct it

[cal127]

the casting is secondary


what i wanna know is whether Jim Cameron gonna return to direct it


Nope he's doin AVATAR atm so he's off...but I hope they'll change the last director. This franchise in dying need of a fresh reboot.

[majestic_guy79]

Eric Bana is good
or how about a change of taste: Johnny Depp ? :D


robert dinero...

or

jack nicolson...


both are great actors...
bot can be terminator :s22:

[AndyS]

err...

Charlie's Angels director to direct this new series?
and event-sized budget meaning small budget?

OMG :s31:
if so will gonna miss this one :s8:

[Jerry007]

From bloody-disgusting.com:

JoBlo confirmed this weekend earlier reports from October 2 (here) that McG will in fact direct Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, which will be distributed by Warner Bros. Pictures. Written by John Brancato and Michael Ferris, “Terminator 4” will revolve around a thirty-something John Connor doing battle with the endoskeleton robots in the future. The film is the first of a new trilogy.

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Christian Bale (The Dark Knight, Batman Begins) has been cast as John Connor in Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, says Ain't It Cool News.

McG is directing the summer 2009 release, which has an early 2008 production start and seeks to reinvent the cyborg saga with a storyline to be told over a three-movie span. Warner Bros. will distribute domestically.

The screenplay was written by Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines duo John Brancato and Michael Ferris.

The film is set in the future, in a full-scale war between Skynet and humankind.

[Wzierbovsky]

Christian Bale? Wow. That's should add at least a better layer of respectability to the production.

[Arbalest]

From comingsoon.net:

Christian Bale (The Dark Knight, Batman Begins) has been cast as John Connor in Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, says Ain't It Cool News.

McG is directing the summer 2009 release, which has an early 2008 production start and seeks to reinvent the cyborg saga with a storyline to be told over a three-movie span. Warner Bros. will distribute domestically.

The screenplay was written by Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines duo John Brancato and Michael Ferris.

The film is set in the future, in a full-scale war between Skynet and humankind.

From comingsoon.net:

It's 'I'll be back' not 'I'll be bat' ....

Looks like John Connor will really 'be bat' .. LOL!!!!!!!

[ExK]

Looks like John Connor will really 'be bat' .. LOL!!!!!!!

hahahahahha MY GOD !!!!! :s13: :s22:

[Iop]

Orlanda bloom.

terminator that shoots arrows and bat his pretty eye lashes. :s13:

[upslorry]

should ask CHow Yun Fatt be Terminator robot

[LiteHouse]

Haha that spoof was a goofy ball of fun. Where's that link again? :)
aKJonM0fM54

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aKJonM0fM54

[xerxesrex]

I will be BACK!

[Jerry007]

From joblo.com:

Recent online rumors place fanboy fave Christian Bale in another major franchise, namely the refreshed TERMINATOR series, which is launching a hypothetical new trilogy with the abominably titled TERMINATOR SALVATION: THE FUTURE BEGINS, from universally acclaimed director McG.

However, there seemed to be some question as to whether Bale would play postapocalyptic hero John Connor, an advanced UK model of Terminator, or a completely new character to the franchise.

CHUD has cast some light on the specifics: Bale is apparently playing Connor, although it is essentially a "supporting role" and that the new flick features a different character on the front lines, with Connor more of a metal-masher of legend. The theory is that this would require less of a time commitment from Bale, but still puts a genre-friendly face on the man we've been hearing so much about since Reese bopped back through time almost a quarter-century ago (or from now -- damn chronal paradoxes!).

[Jerry007]

From chud.com:

When Ain't It Cool broke the story that Christian Bale was in Terminator 4, playing John Connor, one of my sources became confused. That couldn't be true, I was told - John Connor is barely in the movie. Turns out that it's true, and that yes, John Connor is barely in the movie. Over the last week I have been gathering some details about Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, and while I am trying to steer clear of serious spoiler material, people who don't want to know anything about this movie should step away from the computer right now.

John Connor is not the main character of Terminator 4; that character is someone named Marcus. Marcus was put 'out of commission' before the nuclear holocaust on Judgment Day and he wakes up about 15 years before the future we see in the original Terminator films, which puts the movie at about 2015 or so. Marcus is a bad ass - think along the lines of Riddick - and what he finds is a blasted world filled with horror. Radiation poisoning, starvation, rampant jaywalking - all the things you expect post-apocalypse. There's also John Connor, who is trying to build a utopian society while running the human resistance.

Connor's role is apparently bigger in the second film; whoever they hire for Marcus (my understanding is that the part is not yet cast) will be around for all three films. Terminator 4 is going to be the most male-centric of all the Terminator films, but there is a butt busting female character by the name of Blair, a pilot for the human resistance.

They're going to need some buttkickers, because the scope of the action in Terminator 4 is HUGE. Lots of machine action in this film, including some battles with the T-600s. Yup, the rubber skin Terminators. And there's another familiar character that shows up - Reese shows up in a scene with John Connor. I don't know what his involvement in the next two films will be, though.

Finally, here's a story point that's probably a legitimate spoiler (although it's sort of the main crux around which the story revolves, so it will probably get blown in the advertising), so I'll invisotext this stuff:
A big aspect of the story is the degrees of difference between a human and a Terminator. By which I mean cyborgs. By which I mean human brains in robot bodies.

I've gathered this info from a number of different sources, and while they all have different takes on the material (all mostly positive, with one of my sources saying that the story is great and that the action promises to be incredible), they all bring up one point of comparison: The Matrix films. Make of that what you will. For me, the information I've gotten - including really spoilery stuff I won't inflict on you - has gotten me jazzed. This film feels like it could be epic and erase the taste of the workmanlike T3 from my mouth. Let's hope McG can pull this off.

[kennyboy]

McG? I suddenly feel like sinking in a quagmire of flashy sequences.....

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Producer Moritz Borman talked to Empire magazine (via The Sun) about Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, to be directed by McG starting April 15 in Budapest for a summer 2009 release.

Borman says they are keeping the script "under very tight security" because "we have a huge twist at the end, which we're being careful not to reveal. Like with the last 'Terminator' — we kept that under tight wraps so not even the crew got the last six or seven pages.

"I can tell you this much — this is the story everybody has been waiting for," he added. "Namely, we're in the future. The part of it where Arnold's character has not yet been built but is on the drawing board.

"And in the next two episodes we'll get to the point where time-travel is more in the foreground. It's the war against the machines, the start of Skynet taking over the world."

Borman hinted that Californian governor Arnold Schwarzenegger could be part of the two subsequent movies.

"It's convenient that he hasn't been built at this point of the story, as Arnold has more important things to do right now, but that doesn't mean he might not re-appear later in the trilogy," he said.

"He knows the material and is very supportive of what we're doing. There might even be hints of his character in this one."

Borman refused to confirm that Christian Bale (The Dark Knight) is playing John Connor. "Everyone is assuming there is a John Connor and a Terminator in the script. Connor is in there along with another figure, but who is that figure?"

[ExK]

the last terminator had a twist ????

[preakshox]

should've stopped at t2.

[hanlsn]

The producers said that the new film will carry the size and scale of "Terminator 3," and will have an event-sized budget.

Uhhh confirm wont be any famous actor liao la

[hanlsn]

the last terminator had a twist ????
uhh it is subtle but there was ... it was the impression that the AI thingy was suppose to be some super computer hardware but it was actually software and thereby unstoppable leading to the events into the movie...

that is my take on the twist... Definitely not the part about hiding in the bunker because even a kid could tell u surviving a nuclear war can only be done in a bunker...

[tequila_powered]

Twist?

But the general storyline already told within T3. That Arnie will kill John because John let his guard down due to emo attachment to Arnie.....


Curve ball about this back to future thingy.

In Pt1, future John sent his daddy back to stop Arnie1 from killing mother. They blew it up in the factory. The movie ended with mommy dictating notes for son with crucial info about sending daddy back.
In Pt2, future John realised that Pt1 didnt work and sent Arnie2 back to stop the liquidman from himself. Mommy, not John, wanted to destroy Cyberdine.

Erhmm the factory where Arnie1 was destroyed belonged to Cyberdine, hence they ended up with the parts/cpu. When Cyberdine was destroyed in Pt2, the research materials ended in Pt3 with the military.

In all 3 movies, they were constantly attempting to prevent the future. How come Mommy did not dictate into her notes or young John himself realise that they should have let father know that when coming back, to NOT destroy Arnie1 in Cyberdine's factory?

[tribal10]

i will be BAD

[Jerry007]

From movieweb.com:

Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins producer Moritz Borman told Empire Magazine that Arnold Schwarzenegger will not be in the fourth installment of the franchise, according to The Sun. The movie takes place before the famous fighting machine has been built.

"We're keeping the script under very tight security" Borman said, adding "And one of the reasons is that we have a huge twist at the end, which we're being careful not to reveal. Like with the last Terminator -- we kept that under tight wraps so not even the crew got the last six or seven pages. I can tell you this much -- this is the story everybody has been waiting for. Namely, we're in the future. The part of it where Arnold's character has not yet been built but is on the drawing board. And in the next two episodes we'll get to the point where time-travel is more in the foreground. It's the war against the machines, the start of Skynet taking over the world."

Borman hinted that Californian governor Schwarzenegger could be featured in two subsequent movies and commented that He knows the material and is very supportive of what we're doing. There might even be hints of his character in this one."

Borman refused to be drawn on rumors that Christian Bale is set to play John Connor and added "Everyone is assuming there is a John Connor and a Terminator in the script. Connor is in there along with another figure, but who is that figure?"

Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins comes to theatres in the summer of 2009.

[ExK]

uhh it is subtle but there was ... it was the impression that the AI thingy was suppose to be some super computer hardware but it was actually software and thereby unstoppable leading to the events into the movie...

that is my take on the twist... Definitely not the part about hiding in the bunker because even a kid could tell u surviving a nuclear war can only be done in a bunker...

that kind of 'twist' is as twisty as a lamp pole, frankly.

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

In a new interview with The Two-One-Three, Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins director McG hinted that No Country for Old Men star Josh Brolin might play the new Terminator opposite Christian Bale's John Connor.

"We're prepping the picture right now. The script is largely done, whether or not we're able to prep off of it, obviously we want to continue to work on it, punch it up and we're hoping for an expedient finish to the writer's strike. But I've got my fingers crossed that in a week or two it will be over," McG said.

He added that the fourth film will take place "post Judgment day. So there really is no continuation, you know what I mean? Its sort of a different animal, whereas the first two pictures on this thing are Terminators from the future, this picture takes place in 2019."

There's been rumors that John Connor will only be a small part in the film. Not so, says McG. "John Connor's a major player in it - Christian Bale's playing that part."

Asked who his "dream Terminator" would be? McG revealed, "...And there's guys out there like Russell Crowe and Eric Bana, bring a good physicality, they do what they do, but I don't know if they're exactly right at the end of the day. (Smiles) Josh Brolin is a very exciting actor - we'll see."

[lycans]

i thought the twist of T3 was that despite all they did and the damage they have caused they couldnt stop the nuclear war :o

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Sam Worthington will star in Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, reports Variety.

The fact the Australian actor just played the lead in the James Cameron-directed Avatar is no coincidence, added the trade. Cameron recommended Worthington to "Terminator Salvation" director McG, indicating that the director of the first two "Terminator" installments might be warming to the new pic.

Worthington will play the role of Marcus, a central figure in a three-picture arc that begins after Skynet has destroyed much of humanity in a nuclear holocaust. A group of survivors led by John Connor (Christian Bale) struggles to keep the machines from finishing the job.

Variety says McG spoke on the phone recently with Cameron, who is in New Zealand working on Avatar. It was during that chat that he recommended Worthington, who in Avatar plays a paraplegic war veteran from Earth who's brought to another planet inhabited by a race of humanoids at odds with Earth's inhabitants.

"Terminator Salvation" is targeting a summer 2009 release.

[spielberg]

I'm sick of Terminator...

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Warner Bros. Pictures has set a May 22, 2009 release date for Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, to be directed by McG and starring Christian Bale (The Dark Knight) and Sam Worthington (Avatar).

That puts it head-to-head with Fox's Night at the Museum 2: Escape From the Smithsonian on the same date. The studio had already staked out the May 22 release for the Ben Stiller sequel.

Warner will distribute the pic in North America through a deal with Halcyon Co., which owns all franchise rights to the "Terminator" series. Sony Pictures Worldwide Acquisitions Group has acquired international distribution rights.

"Terminator Salvation" begins filming in New Mexico for two months on May 5. The film is part of a planned three-picture arc that begins after Skynet has destroyed much of humanity in a nuclear holocaust. A group of survivors led by John Connor (Bale) struggles to stop the machines.

[feitonglong]

Why do we need ppl to play terminators? Aren't they all machines? The only reason why they got Arnie to play was because the robot has to disguise himself. But in the future, I don't think there's a need for disguise, and I'm sure the humans would already have means to see thru the disguises, rendering them useless, unless we're talking about Cylon technology... lol... I think the machines will be more Matrix like, tunnels, wirings and tubings all over the place. Only the droids and crafts will be sent out for war. Skynet will probably be underground or something, well protected by defence system.

in the expanded universe of the terminator franchise aka comics etc, the terminators disguise themselves as humans to infiltrate the rebels. only dogs can sniff them apart.

[ExK]

in the expanded universe of the terminator franchise aka comics etc, the terminators disguise themselves as humans to infiltrate the rebels. only dogs can sniff them apart.

a fitting storyline for a franchise that's starting to show sign of 'going to the dogs'. :s7:

[Wzierbovsky]

I collected the initial several comic series of the expanded universe in the early 90s, but by the time I'd completed series 4-5 (can't remember which one), the whole thing felt tired. The plot points were getting repeated ad nauseum.

The comics did introduce a major plot element into the Terminator franchise though that, surprisingly, appeared in T3 - and that was this notion of a female Terminator. :)

in the expanded universe of the terminator franchise aka comics etc, the terminators disguise themselves as humans to infiltrate the rebels. only dogs can sniff them apart.

[xfiles_wolvie]

hahahahah...i can't imagine the rock doing 'the eye' move as a cyborg :s22:

hahaha he wont be doing the eye movement. he be doing the smell movement and the eyebrow movement.

It's 'I'll be back' not 'I'll be bat' .... :s7:

hahaha thats a good one.

[Jerry007]

From movieweb.com:

Warner Bros. Pictures has apparently dropped the previous coined title, Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins for the next film in the Terminator franchise.

The film, directed by McG, will reinvent the cyborg saga with a storyline to be told over a three-movie span. The film is set in the future, in a full-scale war between Skynet and humankind. So far, Christian Bale (The Dark Knight) and Sam Worthington (Avatar) have been cast in the film.

Terminator 4 is set for release on May 22nd, 2009.

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Anton Yelchin (upcoming Star Trek, Charlie Bartlett) is in negotiations to star as post-apocalyptic warrior Kyle Reese in director McG's new Terminator movie, says The Hollywood Reporter.

With production scheduled to start in early May, Paul Haggis also has been in talks about coming on board to work on the script.

Yelchin will play a teen version of Reese, the man who fathered world savior John Connor in the original "Terminator" film.

Christian Bale will play John Connor in the film, produced by the Halcyon Co. and set for a Warner Bros. release on May 22, 2009.

Reese, one of the children who survived a machine-driven nuclear holocaust, befriends Marcus (Sam Worthington), an early edition of the Terminator cyborg played in previous films by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

In McG's film, the character is a young version of the one played by Michael Biehn, who traveled back in time in the original to impregnate Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton) and father the world's future savior.

The film picks up with their son (Bale), now in his 30s, fighting desperately to save a decimated civilization against machines that have taken control.

Halcyon's Victor Kubicek and Derek Anderson are producing with Moritz Borman. David Campbell Wilson, John Brancato and Michael Ferris wrote the screenplay. Principal photography is set to begin in early May.

[SHODAN]

I know this thread is a little old

No James Cameron, no Terminator. Sorry to say, I really hated Terminator 3. The acting was awful, the script was awful...just about everything didn't make sense. I just watched Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles up till Episode 6. That is awesome and does a job waaay better than the bollocks called Rise of the Machines. I mean really, it was like they couldn't come up with anything original anymore. So now it's Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins? OMG lack of originality ftl. I'll bet up next will be "Terminator Redux: Fight for Tomorrow" or "Terminator: Dawn of the New Apocalypse" or some other cheesy 6-syllable f--- phrase that any 8 year old can thnk of

Aside from Cammy, the other person I believe can do a believably good job is Josh Friedman. If they're bringing back the same old crap from Rice of the Cooking Machines...yeah, I also agree with some of the guys here that enough is enough. The TV series is more canonical than T3 imho

[SHODAN]

This just in

http://digg.com/movies/Has_T4_Been_Shut_Down

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

As production starts today on Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, the next installment in the action franchise, producers at the Halcyon Co. say they aim to deliver a PG-13 movie to Warner Bros. for release on May 22, 2009, according to Variety.

The Terminator series is one of the highest-grossing R-rated franchises of all time, with the first three films having grossed more than $1.03 billion worldwide. But Halcyon producers thought it was time to broaden the upcoming fourth film's audience base, and they believe the PG-13 won't compromise the series' gritty vision.

"The ratings have changed," said Halcyon co-founder and co-CEO Victor Kubicek, a broker-turned-writer-producer. "The PG-13 has increased in intensity."

The move follows last year's Die Hard film, Live Free or Die Hard, which went out with a PG-13 after three prior R-rated installments. That pic went on to gross $382.1 million worldwide, making it the highest-grossing in the series.

A family-friendly rating opens many doors, including a "Terminator Salvation" licensing deal for action figures with Playmates Toys.

"Our merchandising program will be the largest to date for 'The Terminator,' " said Halcyon co-founder and co-CEO Derek Anderson, ex-owner of ad agency In the Mix, who adds that he had not discussed the possibility of an R-rating with Warners. "We won't force it. We are carrying on in the tradition of the mythology, with an exciting approach to the action. If we can make a compelling film to reach the widest audience, why wouldn't we do it?"

Halcyon has already launched Halcyon Games to create a "Terminator" game for release at the same time as the movie. "The first three games were all bad," Anderson said. "The core fans are screaming for something fresh; they won't be just playing the movie."

Set in post-apocalyptic 2029, an adult John Connor, played by Christian Bale, leads the war to save humanity from the killing machines.

Signing Bale, who also stars in the current Batman series, was a huge coup. Sam Worthington, who fronts franchise creator James Cameron's upcoming Avatar, also stars. The Terminator role is still under wraps; speculation centers on Josh Brolin.

[kennyboy]

oh crap. It's really gone to the dogs.

I doubt Bale can do much with this.

[Jerry007]

FRom comingsoon.net:

Christian Bale is to play rebel leader John Connor in three sequels to the "Terminator" franchise, starting with Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, according to BBC News:

The Welsh-born star, who is soon to be seen in Batman Begins sequel The Dark Knight, has already started shooting the first of those films, Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins.

"He's really an actor's actor, so we're very proud," said Victor Kubicek of film company Halcyon.

"Christian was our first choice and he's a big fan of The Terminator, so we're very lucky," Kubicek told the BBC at the Cannes Film Festival.

"But with Batman he's already done the whole franchise thing, so we weren't sure he'd respond."

Luckily, said Kubicek's business partner Derek Anderson, "he read the script and he loved it, so he's signed on for all three."

The first new installment, co-starring Sam Worthington, Anton Yelchin and Moon Bloodgood, centers on John Connor, now in his 30s, who leads what is left of the human race in a battle against the machines. Directed by McG, Warner Bros. will release the film on May 22, 2009.

[Jerry007]

From AICN:

Warners has issued a start-of-production press release for McG's TERMINATOR film:

In the highly anticipated new installment of The Terminator film franchise, set in post-apocalyptic 2018, Christian Bale stars as John Connor, the man fated to lead the human resistance against Skynet and its army of Terminators. But the future Connor was raised to believe in is altered in part by the appearance of Marcus Wright (Sam Worthington), a stranger whose last memory is of being on death row. Connor must decide whether Marcus has been sent from the future, or rescued from the past. As Skynet prepares its final onslaught, Connor and Marcus both embark on an odyssey that takes them into the heart of Skynet's operations, where they uncover the terrible secret behind the possible annihilation of mankind.

[Jerry007]

Here's a concept art for the movie. U can also read more about the production HERE (http://rss.warnerbros.com/terminatorsalvation/)!

http://rss.warnerbros.com/terminatorsalvation/conceptart1.jpg

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Bryce Dallas Howard is in negotiations to replace Charlotte Gainsbourg in Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, says The Hollywood Reporter.

Gainsbourg was originally set to play Kate Connor, the wife of human resistance hero John Connor (Christian Bale). The actress had to bow out because of scheduling conflicts with another film, a French comedy.

Production on "Terminator," directed by McG, is already underway in New Mexico. If an actors strike were to happen, shooting would stop and then restart at a later date.

Howard last starred as Gwen Stacy in Spider-Man 3 and next stars in the The Loss of a Teardrop Diamond.

[Jerry007]

Here's a big spoiler for T4 from chud.com:

Moriarty at Aint It Cool News has just run a MAJOR spoiler for the ending of Terminator 4, one that, if you read it, will ruin the movie for you. And to the best of my knowledge it is 100% true.

What follows is spoilers.

Back when I broke the story about Marcus, the new major character, I knew that he was a cyborg - human brain with a robot body (Mori's source indicates there's more human to him than just brain, but brain is what I heard). I knew that he was a death row inmate. I knew that he was from the past. I kept that close to the vest in the interest of not dropping huge spoilers.

The rest of Mori's spoiler - about the fate of Christian Bale's John Connor - is stuff that I cannot confirm as solidly as Marcus the cyborg, but is what I had come to believe after talking to multiple sources. You may remember that I ran with the story that Bale would be playing a Terminator... well, I was sort of right. The confusion arose from the fact that by the end of the film, Connor is dead and Marcus, the cyborg Terminator, is impersonating him. This all leads into the thematic ground I told you about, the question of what makes someone a human.

Again, I can't confirm that last part completely, but it gibes with everything I have heard from multiple sources. I wasn't sure if that aspect was changing after the writer's strike - Connor's role has been beefed up considerably since I first got my information - but assuming that Moriarty's source is talking about the latest drafts (and be aware that he could be talking about the same drafts I was talking about six or seven months ago, which may be very outdated at this point), this spoiler is right on the money.

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Helena Bonham Carter is in talks to star in Terminator Salvation, directed by McG for a May 22, 2009 release. The trade says Bonham Carter's role is small but pivotal.

She joins a cast that includes Christian Bale, Sam Worthington, Anton Yelchin, Bryce Dallas Howard, Moon Bloodgood, Common and Jadagrace.

Principal photography on the movie, which looks at the origins of the battle between humans and Skynet, started last month in New Mexico, with the idea that most exteriors would be shot before a potential actors strike.

In Terminator Salvation, set in post-apocalyptic 2018, Christian Bale stars as John Connor, the man fated to lead the human resistance against Skynet and its army of Terminators. But the future Connor was raised to believe in is altered in part by the appearance of Marcus Wright (Worthington), a stranger whose last memory is of being on death row. Connor must decide whether Marcus has been sent from the future, or rescued from the past. As Skynet prepares its final onslaught, Connor and Marcus both embark on an odyssey that takes them into the heart of Skynet's operations, where they uncover the terrible secret behind the possible annihilation of mankind.

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Sure, the excitement surrounding The Dark Knight is at a fever pitch, but what about that OTHER big-budget, blockbuster franchise that's going to star Christian Bale?

The actor underneath Batman's cowl has just started filming Terminator Salvation for director McG, playing the adult John Connor in the post-apocalyptic world portended in the James Cameron-conceived movie series. ComingSoon.net squeezed a few nuggets from the star about why he chose to take on what's sure to be one of summer 2009's most anticipated films.

CS: What attracted you to another big franchise like "Terminator?"
Christian Bale: Well, initially, actually, that was NOT an attraction. I felt that I wasn't sure where it could go to. Before I gave an answer, I went back and reviewed the other movies. I felt like "Okay, unlike 'Batman Begins,' this would be something where we would be respecting the previous mythology." Certainly of one and two, not so much number three – but certainly you would be recognizing that mythology, unlike "Batman Begins" where we were saying that this is the beginning, right here. But what I view in it, and what has ultimately made me make the choice to make it, is that I see the same potential for reinvention and for breathing new life into the mythology. That's what I view our responsibility as filmmakers to be. It's pointless if we don't succeed in doing that.

CS: How is filming going?
Bale: Good, good. They're a number of weeks in. I'm just a week and a half in... It's going well. It's a tall order, it really is, and I recognize that and we have a lot of work to do, and I've just begun on it, because I only just finished working on "Public Enemies" a couple of weeks back.

Terminator Salvation is scheduled for a May 22, 2009 release.

[warr]

Every hero has BEGUN: superman, batman, terminator.

I think the next is spiderman.

[Jerry007]

From movieweb.com:

The production blog (http://rss.warnerbros.com/terminatorsalvation/)for the upcoming action film, Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, was recently updated with a posting from visual effects superviser Charles Gibson and he talked about his part in making this new film. Take a look at his new entry below.

"Prior to Terminator Salvation, I worked on all three Pirates movies. Those worlds and characters were from a different time and place and had to be completely fabricated. This film plays in an altered but plausible version of our world. We're primarily concerned with bringing the Terminator elements home, to make you believe this reality could be just around the corner. It's a very different sort of challenge.

McG's take is to weave science fiction and horror elements into a state-of-the-art action film: The camera always moves, the imagery is raw and kinetic, the pace is insane. The creative challenge for me will be to bury the effects into the photography but to still protect our big visual moments.

Before Terminator 2: Judgement Day, visual effects films were frequently driven by technology -- you worked with what you had. With The Abyss and especially with Terminator 2: Judgement Day, James Cameron showed us that concept rules: When the director has a compelling new vision, the technology will follow. Cameron opened that gate for other filmmakers who in turn have pushed the visual effects industry in new directions.

We've been waiting to see this world for years -- it's only been glimpsed and hinted at in the previous Terminator movies. We're able to revisit the elements that have been established, but we're going to be adding a whole lot more."

Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins is currently in production and the film is set for a May 22, 2009 release.

[Jerry007]

Check out the Terminator salvation teaser trailer HERE (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810025211/trailer)!!! Quite a creative way to introduce the Terminator theme.

[feitonglong]

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[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

The Clinton News-Record has revealed that former bodybuilder Roland Kickinger will play the T-800 in Warner Bros. Pictures' Terminator Salvation, coming to theaters on May 22, 2009. Kickinger talked about his role in the film, quotes that should be considered spoilers:

This month, however, Kickinger begins filming what is likely the role of his life to date, as his portion of Terminator Salvation begins to take shape.

"There's a very strong scene in the film where John Connor for the first time meets the Terminator, and he doesn't know if he's a good guy or a bad guy," said Kickinger.

"It's Arnold's character in the first Terminator. That's basically my role, but 20 years before, so it establishes how the Terminator [came] about."

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Terminator Salvation director McG has updated the official production Blog (http://rss.warnerbros.com/terminatorsalvation/)for the May 22, 2009 release with the following message:

We are half way through filming. Our teaser is in theaters and playing before The Dark Knight.

You will see that this is a movie inspired by the first films, but is a true new beginning in that it takes place in the future.

All three Terminator films took place present day, with Terminators traveling back in time to attack. This picture takes place after Judgment Day. It happened. Everything is gone. The story of the movie is the "brink moment" Reese always talked about.

From a technical perspective, we have set out to achieve a completely new visual style that hasn't been seen before. We're shooting the film on color stock but are using a method inspired by the Oz process which was developed at Technicolor by Mike Zacharia and Bob Olson. Basically we are adding three times as much silver. It creates a surreal texture that is in keeping with the notion of the entire picture - feeling detached from the world we know today.

Every morning and every night Christian and I work on the story. Sam's contribution has been excellent. We are committed to putting the story and character first and then supplementing that with action and visual effects. It is our intention to make a film on a large scale with the nuance and subtext of a high quality independent picture.

The richness of the story is really coming out now. It's a Prometheus tale really, how creating life creates real responsibility - and if left unchecked, can be our undoing.

The entire crew takes the making of this film very seriously. I made a point of hiring key personnel that are passionate about getting this right. Everyone is well versed in the mythology.

Comicon is this weekend. I look forward to sharing the film with the passionate.

[kennyboy]

Let's hope Christian Bale brings something to the table. I wonder how this would turn out if Nolan was directing it.

[xerxesrex]

bring back the real terminator, damn it ;)

[feitonglong]

so everything starts from here .....

anyway difficult to bring back the original terminator, he's so plastic now ....

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

SCI FI Wire talked to Helena Bonham Carter about her role in director McG's Terminator Salvation. Here's a clip:

"I kind of play a baddie, definitely a baddie," Bonham Carter said in an interview while promoting her new film, the comedy-drama Sixty Six. "I don't know how much I'm allowed to say, but I'm a very bad person."

You can read more of the interview here (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=58332).

[The_Governator]

i really hope bale can save this franchise like how he saved the batman franchise. but they shud really stop at T2 coz once T2 is made, other sequels are on a death row

[mango.fish]

http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/terminatorsalvation/teasertrailer/Terminator_TRL_1080.wmv.zip

High Dense Teaser

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Warner Bros. Pictures has brought online the new domestic trailer for Terminator Salvation! Directed by McG, the May 22nd opener stars Christian Bale, Sam Worthington, Anton Yelchin, Bryce Dallas Howard, Moon Bloodgood, Common, Jadagrace and Helena Bonham Carter.

In the highly anticipated new installment of "The Terminator" film franchise, set in post-apocalyptic 2018, Bale stars as John Connor, the man fated to lead the human resistance against Skynet and its army of Terminators. But the future Connor was raised to believe in is altered in part by the appearance of Marcus Wright (Worthington), a stranger whose last memory is of being on death row. Connor must decide whether Marcus has been sent from the future, or rescued from the past. As Skynet prepares its final onslaught, Connor and Marcus both embark on an odyssey that takes them into the heart of Skynet's operations, where they uncover the terrible secret behind the possible annihilation of mankind.

You can watch the trailer in various QuickTime sizes here (http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/terminatorsalvation/)!

[dreamztheone]

i hope this one will be a good one. i wan to see what is the thing that actually threatens mankind

[cal127]

Im stoked...despite believing they're milking a dead cow. :D

[Arbalest]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_DLY0Y9lgAb0/SJC3EQ7kOtI/AAAAAAAAAG4/8oT0I7gIuU4/TSD-11367r.jpg

[artemov]

http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/terminatorsalvation/teasertrailer/Terminator_TRL_1080.wmv.zip

High Dense Teaser

That's the old trailer. The 2 trailers in various sizes and file formats can be found here (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=20443).

[Providence]

How can humanity win the damn war? :eek:

The machines outnumber the humans. And they can be mass-produced swiftly to replace the destroyed ones. The humans are going to be extinct in this war.

[Jerry007]

How can humanity win the damn war? :eek:

The machines outnumber the humans. And they can be mass-produced swiftly to replace the destroyed ones. The humans are going to be extinct in this war.

Maybe they'll have a chance if they can destroy Skynet.

[ExK]

hmmmmm I find the trailers rather boring leh ...

[Jerry007]

hmmmmm I find the trailers rather boring leh ...

That is more like a teaser. If they show all interesting parts then who will wanna watch?

[boucyfirebal]

a FAN BOY HERE HOPE THEY DUN MISS IT UP

PROVIDENCE: dun worry its already explain they find killin human in effiecent. If not the story hard to continue ah

[Providence]

a FAN BOY HERE HOPE THEY DUN MISS IT UP

PROVIDENCE: dun worry its already explain they find killin human in effiecent. If not the story hard to continue ah

Huh? The machines outnumber the humans in this war and the world is already badly ruined after the nuclear onslaught.

:eek:

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Halcyon Co. executives Derek Anderson and Victor Kubicek are developing a fifth installment of the "Terminator" franchise with Terminator Salvation director McG, reports Variety.

The trade says the news came out of the Dubai International Film Festival. McG was in Dubai for the announcement.

No decision has been made as to where to film the next "Terminator," although the Middle East was mentioned as a locale.

Christian Bale has signed on in the role of John Connor for all three films in the newly planned trilogy. The next installment, after Terminator Salvation, is tentatively scheduled for a 2011 release.

Anderson and Kubicek had originally planned to wait until the release of Terminator Salvation next summer before deciding on whether to proceed with the next chapter, but the positive studio, fan and media reaction to footage from the current film has encouraged them to move forward ahead of schedule.

"We feel the time is now to start shaping the next part of this," Kubicek said.

[shuda_knights]

hopefully the governator will make an appreance

[dreamer75]

looking forward to this movie.

[cal127]

Yea looking forward and not surprised its a trilogy...woopie.

[Jerry007]

Check out the new look of the T-600 from the movie!

http://media.movieweb.com/img/U/e/j/PHbIUhdfCueUej_m.jpg

[deathan9el]

woah .. awesome pic .. dude . :D

the one in cinemas pretty much so as well .

[idiort]

cant wait sia

[Krug]

Christian Bale goes Psycho on his DoP:
http://www.cinematical.com/2009/02/02/listen-christian-bale-goes-american-psycho-on-poor-cinematograp/

Remixed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTihsJQHt48

[preakshox]

damn the audio clip's just sounded like pat bateman in action.

[secret_boy]

wow...the pic damm nice....

[Da_Face]

you can download the high quality mp3 of Bale Out here!

http://www.revolucian.com/BaleOut-Download.html

LOL, damn catchy

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Linda Hamilton has confirmed what Terminator Salvation director McG first hinted at last month - she'll be back to do a voiceover as Sarah Connor. Hamilton told MTV:

"We are talking"... "I haven't read it yet. I don't know what direction they will go in."

While she awaits the specifics in a script, Hamilton already knows what her role generally would be. "My contribution would be voiceover," she said. "I would probably be very happy to loan my voice depending on what the material is. Wait and see. They're already writing it. We've been negotiating it.

Terminator Salvation is coming to theaters on May 21.

[Jerry007]

Wow...this movie is becoming cooler by the minute! Seems like Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger could appear in cameo roles in this new installment of the Terminator franchise!

From movieweb.com:

While conducting a panel for his upcoming sequel Terminator Salvation, director McG revealed that he is currently in talks to have both Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger appear in the film in some capacity. Here's what he said to the crowd:
It seems appropriate to have (Linda Hamilton) in the picture in some capacity. We're talking about it right this minute. Literally. At this minute. I am in constant communication with the California Governor. We showed him the film days ago, and await a meeting with him later this week. Truthfully, in regards to Schwarzenegger's participation, it's not clear. We'll see where we land on that. He's a very powerful guy. He has to do what's right for him. It might be helpful for all of us to email him, telling him it's a good idea.

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Yahoo! Movies has debuted the new trailer for Terminator Salvation which you can watch using either the player below or in High Definition QuickTime here (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810025211/video/12282404)!

[Jerry007]

From movieweb.com:

It's been rumored that director McG was trying to get Linda Hamilton to do a voice over for Terminator Salvation, reprising her role as Sarah Connor, but last we heard, nothing had been finalized on that development. Now, someone who had a sneak peek at the film has told our friends at CHUD that Hamilton's voice is in the film.

According to the source, the voice over is not long, and it comes in very early in the film, but it fits very well into the context of the film, and is similar to the voice over work Hamilton did for Terminator 2: Judgement Day.

Unfortunately, other details were scarce from the source. But it seems that, at a minimum, the rumor about Linda Hamilton reprising her voice as Sarah Connor is true. This also speaks well for the tone of the film, and suggests that Hamilton at least tacitly approves of the new film.

In the highly anticipated new installment of "The Terminator" film franchise, set in post-apocalyptic 2018, Christian Bale stars as John Connor, the man fated to lead the human resistance against Skynet and its army of Terminators. But the future Connor was raised to believe in is altered in part by the appearance of Marcus Wright (Sam Worthington), a stranger whose last memory is of being on death row. Connor must decide whether Marcus has been sent from the future, or rescued from the past. As Skynet prepares its final onslaught, Connor and Marcus both embark on an odyssey that takes them into the heart of Skynet's operations, where they uncover the terrible secret behind the possible annihilation of mankind. Terminator Salvation explodes into theatres May 22, 2009.

[Jerry007]

Here's the new teaser poster:

http://www.popcornpop.com/images/detailed_images/terminator_salvation_ver3.jpg

[kennyboy]

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/12191/_1235983170.jpg

Looks like John Connor gonna be dead in this one.

[eddygames]

john conner dead? unlikely. i tot they r gona reboot and start a whole new terminator movies with christain bale at the helm?

[upslorry]

seems like SKynet kidnapping humans and implanting mechanical exoskeleton in their body to battle human themselves, instead of the contary belief that Skynet is creating machines to do battle with human

thats why john connor said "This is not the future my mother warned me about.. Something has changed."

[Qannik]

isnt christian bale john conner...

[upslorry]

im guessing that the slacker-boy john connor from Terminator 3 Rise of the Machine is not the real John Connor.
The real John Connor is hidden away by his mother so that the machines cannot find him, the REAL John Connor is a stout heroic leader character like what Christian Bale acted in Terminator Salvation.

In part 3 the T150 arnold schwazengger said that in the future "John Connor" asked the reprogrammed T150 to kill him, then later go back to the past to save him. Something is twisty about the story line here.

Maybe John Connor became a machine after captured by SKyNet, and ask the T150 to kill him, then go back to the past the change the past.

Probably we may see the slacker-boy fake "John Connor" in the future with the real "John Connor"

[kennyboy]

In part 3 the T150 arnold schwazengger said that in the future "John Connor" asked the reprogrammed T150 to kill him, then later go back to the past to save him. Something is twisty about the story line here.



I don't recall this in T3.

[kennyboy]

Credible spoiler or plain old hogwash?


POSSIBLE SPOILER! HWZ got no spoiler tags one hor?



























The main character is a cyborg named Marcus. For some background, Marcus was a criminal who was executed in 2003. He donated his body to Project Angel which was involved with SkyNet. They take his body and make a terminator out of him so he’s a terminator skeleton but has living muscle/skin and a beating heart too. At the end of the movie John Connor is fighting a T800 model 101 and loses. He dies and the top resistance people come up with a plan to help the resistance keep fighting on. The resistance feels that it’s important to keep the image or idea that John Connor is still alive so the resistance keeps going. So they rip off Marcus’ skin and put John Connor’s on the skeleton so now Marcus is John Connor

Of course, if you think about it, it does tie in somehow to what we've seen so far in the trailer. Now we have a JC who has the body of a machine, but doesn't think that he is a machine.

Or we could find out in the end that JC has been a human machine hybrid since the beginning of this film...hahah...that would make quite a few rotten eggs on the screen and effectively end this franchise.

[Jerry007]

New poster:

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/964/964409/terminator-salvation-20090319000343249.jpg

[Jerry007]

From moviehole.com:

It seems that an aticle originally ran as a rumor has caused some major changes to an upcoming film. Moviehole is reporting that Warner Bros. has altered the ending of its upcoming Terminator Salvation film, that is set for release on May 22.

The original leak came from Ain't It Cool News, who reported on a rumor of what could be the ending of the film, which apparently turned out to be the actual ending. Moviehole recently talked with someone over at Warner Bros. who confirmed that a new ending was filmed in response to the leak.


The third act of the film has been completely changed "because of the internet leak. The ending doesn't resemble the previous one in any shape or form". And more so, the new ending has tested quite well; it's gotten a much better reaction than the 'big reveal' in the script did.


The site's source also said the new ending is, "a complete [180] from the original film. Works better. Probably not as hard to swallow. Real good though."

Click HERE (http://www.moviehole.net/200918238-exclusive-terminators-salvation) to read more about the changed ending.

[MatrixFanatic]

Another new poster. Pales greatly to the previous ones imo. Like some fan-made thing.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=54367

[Plimussen]

Man the trailer looks awesome can't wait for the the movie to released in the Theaters...

[oreouser]

Excuse me,is it related to the Terminators at http://twitchfilm.net/site/view/but-can-it-top-transmorphers#extended? Thks.

Btw, may I know what are the series of Terminators movies?
1. Terminator 1
2. Terminator 2

Is that all? I need to catch them in order to understand what was going on. Thks.

[ceecookie]

The Terminator
Terminator 2 Judgement day
Terminator 3 Rise of the Machine
Terminator Salvation(4)

[Jerry007]

The Terminator
Terminator 2 Judgement day
Terminator 3 Rise of the Machine
Terminator Salvation(4)

Think u can safely skip Terminator 3 as u dun really need that to understand what is going on in salvation.

[zero_88]

Think u can safely skip Terminator 3 as u dun really need that to understand what is going on in salvation.

Yes....I don't think what T3 say is important...


T3 is like a extension of T2.....:s13:

[Providence]

I think SkyNet is quite intelligent and cunning. It controlled all the nuclear arsenals around the world and launched them at various countries. The nuclear holocaust killed a lot of people and destroyed the global defenses. After the aftermath had subsided, SkyNet began to build up an army of robots and cyborgs to take over the world. The initial EMP blasts that appeared during nuclear explosions were dissipated so the robotic army would not fear those harmful waves anymore. The remaining humans were trying to survive in a radioactive wasteland with little defenses and all the nuclear weapons had been used up during the initial attack.

I think SkyNet would not be so stupid in allowing the huamn survivors to gain control of the remaining nuclear weapons. Biological and chemical weapons are useless against the robotic army. SkyNet has uploaded itself into a mysterious satellite at the planetary orbit so I guess no one can destroy the supercomputer now. :D

This movie will remind humanity that cybernetic organisms can never be trusted fully. You will never know that these artificial intelligences can turn on the creators anytime.

[wrench]

dunno, i feel that this movie will sorta remind us what it means to be human and mebbe expand that definiton (what is a human ?) a bit, i could use a bit more philosophical mumbo-jumbo in Terminator.

on another note, has anyone seen the trailer for the Terminator Salvation game ? looks really sick, kudos to the folks that did it, makes me really psyched to join the resistance and blast some machines.

[kennyboy]

Hmmm....anyway T3 wasn't as bad as most people made it up to be...i did like the underlying theme that whatever one does, it's predestined. :D

Anyone caught the TV series? Last episode was a mindf**k. :D

[ceecookie]

Good news. The Terminator franchise wont end at T4 :D

Fifth 'Terminator' film in the works

McG working with Halcyon on project

By ALI JAAFAR (http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=bio&peopleID=2460)
The Terminator will be back.Halcyon Co. toppers Derek Anderson (javascript:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('Derek%20Anderson');) and Victor Kubicek are developing a fifth instalment of the man-vs.-machine franchise.
Helmer McG, who directed the upcoming fourth pic, "Terminator Salvation," is working with the Halcyon duo on the latest project.
Announcement was among the news that came out of the Dubai Intl. Film Festival, which bowed Dec. 11 and runs through Thursday.
No decision has been made as to where to film the next "Terminator," although the Middle East was mentioned as a locale.
When Anderson and Kubicek acquired the rights the lucrative "Terminator" franchise last year from previous owners C2, the former ad exec and banker envisaged the re-booted series as a trilogy. Christian Bale (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/29311/Christian%20Bale.html?dataSet=1) has signed on in the role of John Connor (javascript:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('John%20Connor');) for all three roles. Newest pic is tentatively skedded for a 2011 release.
The duo had originally planned to wait until the release of "Terminator Salvation" next summer before deciding on whether to proceed with the next chapter, but the positive studio, fan and media reaction to footage from the current pic has encouraged them to move forward ahead of schedule.
"We feel the time is now to start shaping the next part of this," Kubicek said.
Warner Bros. is handling the domestic release of "Terminator Salvation" with Sony handling the majority of the rest of the world, with the exception of the Middle East where the film is being handled by Dubai-based Gulf Film (http://www.variety.com/profiles/Company/main/2014868/Gulf%20Films.html?dataSet=1).
No decision has been made yet on whether the fifth "Terminator" will be once again split by Warner Bros. and Sony.
"Terminator" vidgame, which has been developed inhouse through the Halcyon Games division, will be released day-and-date with the live action pic.
The Halcyon duo is also prepping an English-language remake of Danish helmer Susanne Bier (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/180469/Susanne%20Bier.html?dataSet=1)'s Oscar-nominated "After the Wedding." (http://www.variety.com/profiles/Film/main/176801/After%20the%20Wedding.html?dataSet=1) Brit helmer Michael Caton-Jones (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/32267/Michael%20Caton-Jones.html?dataSet=1) will start lensing in early 2009. Pic, about a Western social worker in a Mumbai slum who receives a mysterious multi-million-dollar donation from a Western businessman, has yet to be cast.
"It's on the opposite side of the spectrum from 'Terminator" in that it's a much smaller drama," Anderson said. "It's a total departure for us. There's not that many screens for foreign-language films so we thought this was an opportunity for more people to see the film."
Halcyon head of production Joel Michaels (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/1136248/Joel%20Michaels.html?dataSet=1) is overseeing "After the Wedding."
Keen to assuage question marks over its commitment to the local film industry, the Dubai government announced at the fest that it would invest in its first-ever feature project. Government investment arm the Dubai Intl. Financial Center is coughing up the majority of coin for Emirati helmer Ali Mustafa's debut feature "City of Life," which refers to the English translation of Dubai's oldest nickname.
Project, which has a budget in the mid-seven-figure range, is a multilingual, character-driven drama based in the bustling emirate. Filmworks (http://www.variety.com/profiles/Company/main/2049842/Filmworks.html?dataSet=1) CEO Tim Smythe (javascript:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('Tim%20Smythe');) is producing the project, which will begin lensing on location in Dubai next February.
Alexandra Maria Lara (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/618231/Alexandra%20Maria%20Lara.html?dataSet=1) ("Control" (javascript:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('"Control"');)), Arab-American standup Ahmed Ahmed (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/111902/Ahmed%20Ahmed.html?dataSet=1) and rising Bollywood star Sonu Sood (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/1274438/Sonu%20Sood.html?dataSet=1) ("Singh Is Kinng") have boarded the cosmopolitan project.
"We need to be aware that as a first film this is going to serve as a benchmark for," Smythe said. "It's an important project for Dubai and developing an industry here. We're going to be 85% local crew, which is an amazing thing to do. This is a huge step up for us."
Project is the most ambitious Emirati film to be fully funded with local coin. Mustafa, who won the Emirati Filmmaker prize at the Dubai fest last year, has long been seen as the Emirati helmer most likely to break out internationally.
Mustafa and Smythe are hoping to world preem the pic at next year's Dubai fest.
Elsewhere, fest's inaugural film market -- an innovative fully digital film library utilizing Hewlett-Packard (http://www.variety.com/profiles/Company/main/2058726/Hewlett%20Packard.html?dataSet=1) technology -- has proved easy-to-use and popular with both buyers and sellers. Mart runs concurrently with the fest.
Co-production market the Dubai Film Connection launched Saturday, with 18 projects vying for three prizes of $25,000 in development coin each. It ends Wednesday.

[kennyboy]

Good news. The Terminator franchise wont end at T4 :D

Fifth 'Terminator' film in the works

McG working with Halcyon on project

By ALI JAAFAR (http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=bio&peopleID=2460)
The Terminator will be back.Halcyon Co. toppers Derek Anderson (javascript:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('Derek%20Anderson');) and Victor Kubicek are developing a fifth instalment of the man-vs.-machine franchise.
Helmer McG, who directed the upcoming fourth pic, "Terminator Salvation," is working with the Halcyon duo on the latest project.
Announcement was among the news that came out of the Dubai Intl. Film Festival, which bowed Dec. 11 and runs through Thursday.
No decision has been made as to where to film the next "Terminator," although the Middle East was mentioned as a locale.
When Anderson and Kubicek acquired the rights the lucrative "Terminator" franchise last year from previous owners C2, the former ad exec and banker envisaged the re-booted series as a trilogy. Christian Bale (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/29311/Christian%20Bale.html?dataSet=1) has signed on in the role of John Connor (javascript:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('John%20Connor');) for all three roles. Newest pic is tentatively skedded for a 2011 release.
The duo had originally planned to wait until the release of "Terminator Salvation" next summer before deciding on whether to proceed with the next chapter, but the positive studio, fan and media reaction to footage from the current pic has encouraged them to move forward ahead of schedule.
"We feel the time is now to start shaping the next part of this," Kubicek said.
Warner Bros. is handling the domestic release of "Terminator Salvation" with Sony handling the majority of the rest of the world, with the exception of the Middle East where the film is being handled by Dubai-based Gulf Film (http://www.variety.com/profiles/Company/main/2014868/Gulf%20Films.html?dataSet=1).
No decision has been made yet on whether the fifth "Terminator" will be once again split by Warner Bros. and Sony.
"Terminator" vidgame, which has been developed inhouse through the Halcyon Games division, will be released day-and-date with the live action pic.
The Halcyon duo is also prepping an English-language remake of Danish helmer Susanne Bier (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/180469/Susanne%20Bier.html?dataSet=1)'s Oscar-nominated "After the Wedding." (http://www.variety.com/profiles/Film/main/176801/After%20the%20Wedding.html?dataSet=1) Brit helmer Michael Caton-Jones (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/32267/Michael%20Caton-Jones.html?dataSet=1) will start lensing in early 2009. Pic, about a Western social worker in a Mumbai slum who receives a mysterious multi-million-dollar donation from a Western businessman, has yet to be cast.
"It's on the opposite side of the spectrum from 'Terminator" in that it's a much smaller drama," Anderson said. "It's a total departure for us. There's not that many screens for foreign-language films so we thought this was an opportunity for more people to see the film."
Halcyon head of production Joel Michaels (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/1136248/Joel%20Michaels.html?dataSet=1) is overseeing "After the Wedding."
Keen to assuage question marks over its commitment to the local film industry, the Dubai government announced at the fest that it would invest in its first-ever feature project. Government investment arm the Dubai Intl. Financial Center is coughing up the majority of coin for Emirati helmer Ali Mustafa's debut feature "City of Life," which refers to the English translation of Dubai's oldest nickname.
Project, which has a budget in the mid-seven-figure range, is a multilingual, character-driven drama based in the bustling emirate. Filmworks (http://www.variety.com/profiles/Company/main/2049842/Filmworks.html?dataSet=1) CEO Tim Smythe (javascript:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('Tim%20Smythe');) is producing the project, which will begin lensing on location in Dubai next February.
Alexandra Maria Lara (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/618231/Alexandra%20Maria%20Lara.html?dataSet=1) ("Control" (javascript:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('"Control"');)), Arab-American standup Ahmed Ahmed (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/111902/Ahmed%20Ahmed.html?dataSet=1) and rising Bollywood star Sonu Sood (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/1274438/Sonu%20Sood.html?dataSet=1) ("Singh Is Kinng") have boarded the cosmopolitan project.
"We need to be aware that as a first film this is going to serve as a benchmark for," Smythe said. "It's an important project for Dubai and developing an industry here. We're going to be 85% local crew, which is an amazing thing to do. This is a huge step up for us."
Project is the most ambitious Emirati film to be fully funded with local coin. Mustafa, who won the Emirati Filmmaker prize at the Dubai fest last year, has long been seen as the Emirati helmer most likely to break out internationally.
Mustafa and Smythe are hoping to world preem the pic at next year's Dubai fest.
Elsewhere, fest's inaugural film market -- an innovative fully digital film library utilizing Hewlett-Packard (http://www.variety.com/profiles/Company/main/2058726/Hewlett%20Packard.html?dataSet=1) technology -- has proved easy-to-use and popular with both buyers and sellers. Mart runs concurrently with the fest.
Co-production market the Dubai Film Connection launched Saturday, with 18 projects vying for three prizes of $25,000 in development coin each. It ends Wednesday.
Huh...I thought it was already stated that this was supposed to be a new trilogy?

Can make money sure got more one lah.

[reVidia]

Salvation looks good, can't wait for May

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

The Los Angeles Times reports that Arnold Schwarzenegger discussed his possible cameo in Terminator Salvation during a webcast interview on Tuesday.

Schwarzenegger told blogger Bill Bradley that he had met with director McG and agreed to be in the movie as long as he didn't have to perform. "I made it very clear that I don't have the time to do the movie," he said. "I said that I would be willing to be in the movie if they get the technology together, and so they are working on that right now."

Spoiler alert! Schwarzenegger would be in a brief scene in which John Connor (Christian Bale) encounters him as a "future Terminator," the governor said, adding, "I think it's cool to continue on with the franchise... in case I want to jump over again and get into the acting after I'm through here."

[soupdude]

Arnold Schwarzenegger is the classic terminator lah. too bad he dosent have anymore lead roles. :(

[Jerry007]

Arnold Schwarzenegger is the classic terminator lah. too bad he dosent have anymore lead roles. :(

U do know that he's now the governor of California or something?

[kennyboy]

Arnold Schwarzenegger is the classic terminator lah. too bad he dosent have anymore lead roles. :(
He doesn't even need "anymore lead roles".

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Terminator Salvation director McG talked to Film Journal about a possible sequel to the May 21st release which could possibly take place pre-Judgment Day again:

"I strongly suspect the next movie is going to take place in a [pre-Judgment Day] 2011," McG reveals. "John Connor is going to travel back in time and he's going to have to galvanize the militaries of the world for an impending Skynet invasion. They've figured out time travel to the degree where they can send more than one naked entity. So you're going to have hunter killers and transports and harvesters and everything arriving in our time and Connor fighting back with conventional military warfare, which I think is going to be f*cking awesome. I also think he's going to meet a scientist that's going to look a lot like present-day Robert Patrick [who famously played the T-1000 in Terminator 2], talking about stem-cell research and how we can all live as idealized, younger versions of ourselves."

[ExK]

Arnold Schwarzenegger is the classic terminator lah. too bad he dosent have anymore lead roles. :(

yeah ... he's leading California to battle recession, forest fire etc ... he's now playing a lead role in a true sense :)

[reimina]

Think u can safely skip Terminator 3 as u dun really need that to understand what is going on in salvation.

Yeah, T3 is not really good. T1 & 2 is much better.

Hasta la vista, baby!

[MatrixFanatic]

I just got this feeling that the movie won't live up to the classics with McG at helm. Sure there's really good actors in there but.... I really hope it won't end up in disappointment. T3 was okayl, only bad thing was the choice for John Connor.

[Providence]

I watched the latest trailer. The world still have nuclear submarines that are not destroyed by SkyNet. Wow... The Resistance still packs a punch. :s13:

[oreouser]

Wow, you watched this movie already? Haven't watched it. :(

[Jerry007]

Wow, you watched this movie already? Haven't watched it. :(

If you can read at all, he mentioned watching the trailer. Movie not even released yet so how to watch? :s22:

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Warner Bros. Pictures has released a 4 minute internet trailer for Terminator Salvation that you can watch in various QuickTime formats at Apple!

Click HERE (http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/terminatorsalvation/) for the clip!

[kennyboy]

Wow, you watched this movie already? Haven't watched it. :(
Oh Sally, still cannot read......

[Jerry007]

The 4-min trailer is now available here courtesy of youtube...

IcYdjHpJUV8

[oreouser]

If you can read at all, he mentioned watching the trailer. Movie not even released yet so how to watch? :s22:

:s34: I'm blurred. :P

Terminator or Transformer - which one is better that do u think? I assume you watched both trailers, right?

[kennyboy]

:s34: I'm blurred. :P

Terminator or Transformer - which one is better that do u think? I assume you watched both trailers, right?
Yeah...only dumbo like you can decide which movie is better based on a trailer which is made to look good....

Real smart Sally....

[reimina]

Yeah...only dumbo like you can decide which movie is better based on a trailer which is made to look good....

Real smart Sally....

She has a simple mind, judge every movie based on trailers. :s13:

[Jerry007]

She has a simple mind, judge every movie based on trailers. :s13:

Her hate-club members quite a lot issit? :s13:

[kennyboy]

Her hate-club members quite a lot issit? :s13:
hahaha....CAL forum basically everyone belongs to her hate club. :D

[Jerry007]

hahaha....CAL forum basically everyone belongs to her hate club. :D

It must be an incredible feat on her part to be so detestable.

[kennyboy]

It must be an incredible feat on her part to be so detestable.
She's quite mild here actually. Over there, it's God this and that, and stupid questions galore.

Not that hard on her part.

[odyas]

Sally, here's a brief sypnosis.
Terminator future begins when the first human was hunt down and turned into half human half machine. The foundation was laid when they decided to turn that 3/4 dead cop into a half machine and when skynet was launched, the battle was fought for centuries until the human resistance decided to launch a nuclear into the sky and cut off their source of energy, the sun. But the machines has other ideas, they captured human beings and harvest the electricity inside us, turning us into duracell batteries. They then built a giant VR machine and put everyone inside thinking cars and choppers can turn into gigantic robots fighting each other. Then John Conner father came to the rescue, in order to avoid detection, he took a leaf from Mr V for Vendetta and Batman and improvise it into this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_84u78dpx9BA/SVZihBME-wI/AAAAAAAAAHA/PsP_SJ2UC9k/s320/noose2511005.jpg

[kennyboy]

Sally, here's a brief sypnosis.
Terminator future begins when the first human was hunt down and turned into half human half machine. The foundation was laid when they decided to turn that 3/4 dead cop into a half machine and when skynet was launched, the battle was fought for centuries until the human resistance decided to launch a nuclear into the sky and cut off their source of energy, the sun. But the machines has other ideas, they captured human beings and harvest the electricity inside us, turning us into duracell batteries. They then built a giant VR machine and put everyone inside thinking cars and choppers can turn into gigantic robots fighting each other. Then John Conner father came to the rescue, in order to avoid detection, he took a leaf from Mr V for Vendetta and Batman and improvise it into this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_84u78dpx9BA/SVZihBME-wI/AAAAAAAAAHA/PsP_SJ2UC9k/s320/noose2511005.jpg
hahahahahahha :D

[Providence]

The 4-min trailer is now available here courtesy of youtube...

IcYdjHpJUV8

After watching this trailer, I think we should never create semi-intelligent artificial intelligences. You will never know that these things will become self-aware and self-sufficient. Then they may turn against us and we will be doomed. :look:

This movie is really something that shows the weaknesses of humanity. We are definitely weaker than the machines but we still can be unpredictable and resilient. Advanced technology may be a blessing for Mankind but it also can be a curse for us. A double-edged sword!

[Jerry007]

From comingsoon.net:

Pizza Hut has debuted five minutes of Terminator Salvation footage that kicks-off with an action scene from the movie and is followed by a behind-the-scenes clip showing the crew talking about how the scene was created. You can watch the exclusive footage here (http://www.pizzahut.com/terminatorsalvation/)!

[zero7090]

After watching this trailer, I think we should never create semi-intelligent artificial intelligences. You will never know that these things will become self-aware and self-sufficient. Then they may turn against us and we will be doomed. :look:

This movie is really something that shows the weaknesses of humanity. We are definitely weaker than the machines but we still can be unpredictable and resilient. Advanced technology may be a blessing for Mankind but it also can be a curse for us. A double-edged sword!


how about replace your "semi-intelligent artificial intelligences" words by "x-men" ?

[Jerry007]

From movieweb.com:

According to The Hollywood Reporter, Christian Bale, who director McG had to convince to be in Terminator Salvation, ended up having to work with the director to rewrite the screenplay in order to accommodate the actor's burgeoning stardom.

Initially, McG wanted Bale to the play the role of Marcus Wright in the film. However Bale wanted to play the role of John Connor who had been a central character in the other Terminator movies. In the original drafts of Terminator Salvation Connor's role was smaller.

The director reports that he and Bale "worked day and night" to rewrite the screenplay with Bale.

"A lot of the work was integrating (Connor) into scenes ... and having that feel integral and sensible, as opposed to grafted on just because there was a star in the part," stated John Brancato, the Terminator Salvation screenwriter.

Initially the character of Marcus Wright (played in the film by Sam Worthington) was an executed man who lends his body to science, and comes back to life when machines take over the world.

In the current film, both Wright and Connor get equal time on screen.

Terminator Salvation comes to theaters May 21 from Warner Bros. Pictures.

[kennyboy]

hmm.....if John Connor had a smaller role it would have been a cop out.

It's Terminator for goodness sake, we all wanna see how JC becomes the leader, not a new character just shoved into the mythology.

[Carnage]

I'm really confused about the plot. Is Sam Worthington suppose to be a Terminator or not?

[Jerry007]

I'm really confused about the plot. Is Sam Worthington suppose to be a Terminator or not?

Yes, seems like he will be a terminator.

[Fattytotti]

Can't wait for the movie to come out.

[lycans]

someone remixed The Day the World Went Away from the Terminator Salvation soundtrack...A for effort!

v2YDIdLNAMA

[Iop]

Sally, here's a brief sypnosis.
Terminator future begins when the first human was hunt down and turned into half human half machine. The foundation was laid when they decided to turn that 3/4 dead cop into a half machine and when skynet was launched, the battle was fought for centuries until the human resistance decided to launch a nuclear into the sky and cut off their source of energy, the sun. But the machines has other ideas, they captured human beings and harvest the electricity inside us, turning us into duracell batteries. They then built a giant VR machine and put everyone inside thinking cars and choppers can turn into gigantic robots fighting each other. Then John Conner father came to the rescue, in order to avoid detection, he took a leaf from Mr V for Vendetta and Batman and improvise it into this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_84u78dpx9BA/SVZihBME-wI/AAAAAAAAAHA/PsP_SJ2UC9k/s320/noose2511005.jpg


OMGAWD! Now then I know VR man is John conner's DAD!

Thank you!

On another note, you almost make milk spurt through my nose while I was drinking it and reading this.

[Jerry007]

From moviehole.com:

The fourth installment of The Terminator series follows an adult John Connor (played by Christian Bale) as he attempts to organize a human resistance force which could prove to be humankind's last true hope for survival in the war against their intelligent robot overlords. Opening in the year 2018, Terminator Salvation finds John Connor's certainty about the future shaken by the sudden appearance of a mysterious stranger named Marcus Wright (Sam Worthington), whose last memory is of sitting on death row and awaiting execution. Unable to determine whether Marcus was sent from the future or rescued from the past, Connor begins to wonder whether there is still any hope left for the human race as the robots grow more powerful and aggressive than ever before. It appears that Skynet is preparing a devastating final attack designed to eliminate the human resistance forces once and for all, leaving Connor and Marcus with no choice but to strike back at the cybernetic heart of Skynet's operations. Once there, the two battle-scarred soldiers discover a devastating secret regarding the potential annihilation of all humankind. We recently caught up with the cast behind this highly anticipated summer sequel. To watch our exclusive video featurette, which features interviews with Christian Bale, Sam Worthington, Anton Yelchin, Moon Bloodgood, Common, Bryce Dallas Howard, and director McG, click on the clip HERE (http://www.movieweb.com/video/VI3P2745IW1M65)!

[ralliart12]

Hi fellows. the movie releases locally on the 28th right? Anybody knows "usually" when will the box office open up for online booking? 25th or even earlier?

[Citiguy]

From moviehole.com:

The fourth installment of The Terminator series follows an adult John Connor (played by Christian Bale) as he attempts to organize a human resistance force which could prove to be humankind's last true hope for survival in the war against their intelligent robot overlords. Opening in the year 2018, Terminator Salvation finds John Connor's certainty about the future shaken by the sudden appearance of a mysterious stranger named Marcus Wright (Sam Worthington), whose last memory is of sitting on death row and awaiting execution. Unable to determine whether Marcus was sent from the future or rescued from the past, Connor begins to wonder whether there is still any hope left for the human race as the robots grow more powerful and aggressive than ever before. It appears that Skynet is preparing a devastating final attack designed to eliminate the human resistance forces once and for all, leaving Connor and Marcus with no choice but to strike back at the cybernetic heart of Skynet's operations. Once there, the two battle-scarred soldiers discover a devastating secret regarding the potential annihilation of all humankind. We recently caught up with the cast behind this highly anticipated summer sequel. To watch our exclusive video featurette, which features interviews with Christian Bale, Sam Worthington, Anton Yelchin, Moon Bloodgood, Common, Bryce Dallas Howard, and director McG, click on the clip HERE (http://www.movieweb.com/video/VI3P2745IW1M65)!

Jerry007, thanks for the summary.

[AndreFLo]

Wah can't wait for this movie man. Somemore my fav actor is the lead inside...anticipating it!!

[Carnage]

Seems like there are 2 Terminators this time.

[kennyboy]

Seems like there are 2 Terminators this time.
where got only 2? at least got hundreds...

[Providence]

How do you destroy an army of killing robots?

[kennyboy]

How do you destroy an army of killing robots?
The Hollywood way?

Kill the main brain lor....virus/nuke/naked women.

[Arbalest]

How do you destroy an army of killing robots?

As long as we do not stay the course.

If we do, we are DEAD. WE ARE ALL DEAD!

:s22::s22:

[Providence]

As long as we do not stay the course.

If we do, we are DEAD. WE ARE ALL DEAD!

:s22::s22:

That means we can only create robots that are stupid and ridiculous so that the human civilization will not be harmed by sentient ones in the near future. :s22:

[ralliart12]

For those who went to the Gala, can share if there's anything extra after the credits?

[Citiguy]

For those who went to the Gala, can share if there's anything extra after the credits?

See: http://moviestinger.com/terminator-salvation-no-extra-scenes-after-credits/

[kennyboy]

That means we can only create robots that are stupid and ridiculous so that the human civilization will not be harmed by sentient ones in the near future. :s22:
I did read an article stating that we are still a long long way from having a sentient AI. Forgot the link, but it did make a lot of sense.

So far we have only been making robots that we send to die on our behalf, without any sense of self-preservation. To create a smart AI would require a quantum leap in AI programming, which could take a long time indeed.

[Jerry007]

From boxofficemojo.com:

Following the disappointment of Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines six years ago, the ratings fizzle of the television series Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and the failure of California "Governator" Arnold Schwarzenegger (who makes a cameo in the new movie), Terminator Salvation rose from the ashes with a solid debut. Distributor Warner Bros.' research indicated that 63 percent of the audience was male and 58 percent was in the 18-34-year-old range. Attendance was lower than Terminator 3 (T3) and Terminator 2: Judgment Day (T2). Salvation's three-day weekend was an estimated $43 million, while T3's was $44 million at 3,504 locations, which would adjust to around $53 million today, and T2's $31.8 million weekend at 2,274 locations back in 1991 is the equivalent of over $54 million today. Each had greater five-day attendance tallies than Salvation. T3 itself didn't have the market impact of T2, though initial numbers were similar, and it quickly faded to a $150.4 million final gross.

In the context of the Terminator franchise, Terminator Salvation is as much a prequel as it is a sequel, because the future is treated as the past in the previous movies and its setting is before that future. Coming off more as fan boy fantasias than story advancers, prequels and spin-offs can struggle to appeal beyond the franchise bases. That's why Salvation was destined to be more commercially akin to X-Men Origins: Wolverine (which hit a series low) than the rebooted Star Trek. However, the previous Terminators' dramatic flashes of the post-apocalyptic future captured viewers' imaginations to a degree that further exploration was welcome enough to retain more of the audience than a T3 retread might have. Credit must also go to Salvation's slick advertisements that promised a grand action drama.

[Jerry007]

Review is up at movieXclusive.com (http://moviexclusive.com/review/terminatorsalvation/terminatorsalvation.html).

[fatzul]

is this show suppose to be a HOTTEST one currently? cos i recently advance booking tix for it last week & i was the first one to book it :s7:

[Providence]

I did read an article stating that we are still a long long way from having a sentient AI. Forgot the link, but it did make a lot of sense.

So far we have only been making robots that we send to die on our behalf, without any sense of self-preservation. To create a smart AI would require a quantum leap in AI programming, which could take a long time indeed.

I really hope no one will be arrogant enough to think a sentient AI can be controlled. Once it becomes self-aware and knows that its existence is threatened, the AI will strike first and humanity will be at its mercy.

The entire Terminator genre may be fictional but the theme is not entirely fictional. We already have robots that can be used in the semi-conductor industry and others in other areas of interest. For now, they are dumb and obedient. They still require human interaction and direction.

So we are safe for now. :D

[Providence]

Those who want to read the spoiler! You can read the entire story on the Wikipedia now. After reading the storyline, I hope that there will be a sequel but there is one point that is really weird though.

It is an interaction between SkyNet and Marcus Wright. SkyNet can allow its own creation to choose its own destiny? :eek:

[kennyboy]

Those who want to read the spoiler! You can read the entire story on the Wikipedia now. After reading the storyline, I hope that there will be a sequel but there is one point that is really weird though.

It is an interaction between SkyNet and Marcus Wright. SkyNet can allow its own creation to choose its own destiny? :eek:
Marcus isn't part of Skynet. He's more like a human inside a cyborg frame.

[kennyboy]

is this show suppose to be a HOTTEST one currently? cos i recently advance booking tix for it last week & i was the first one to book it :s7:
This looks suspiciously like a "I was here first!" post. :D

[trailblaze]

I did read an article stating that we are still a long long way from having a sentient AI. Forgot the link, but it did make a lot of sense.

So far we have only been making robots that we send to die on our behalf, without any sense of self-preservation. To create a smart AI would require a quantum leap in AI programming, which could take a long time indeed.

though it MAY be far fetched to hav a sentient AI now, do u know the meaning of 'ghost in the machine' and Chaos Theorem?

if ppl can believe the entire planet Earth came abt from a 'Big Bang', then creation of a sentient AI is mere peanuts....

[Dr.Vijay]

nope; just listen to soundtrack :)

anyway, saw the preview today, not bad. 3.5 out of 5 for me.
slow start is forgivable, exciting middle segment, but finale had too much indoor closed-up combat and felt like there were aparant story holes. but wow, the T-800 is really powerful and feels like it has a lot more energy (thanks to modern CGI).


For those who went to the Gala, can share if there's anything extra after the credits?

[ralliart12]

nope; just listen to soundtrack :)...

Thanx, Dr. Vijay :)

[kennyboy]

though it MAY be far fetched to hav a sentient AI now, do u know the meaning of 'ghost in the machine' and Chaos Theorem?

if ppl can believe the entire planet Earth came abt from a 'Big Bang', then creation of a sentient AI is mere peanuts....
those are just theories....the practicality of having an sentient AI is still just a pipe dream for now. Chaos theorem has nothing to do with AI.

even so called AI chess programs are just calculating the possibilities of each move at rates beyond human ability than any so-called human form of intelligence.

Don't worry, we'll be long dead before there is a computer AI that is possible of intelligent thinking. :D The logistics of a computer AI being actually able to take over other equipment and doing something remotely similar to Skynet currently only exists in Hollywood movies. :D

[Providence]

those are just theories....the practicality of having an sentient AI is still just a pipe dream for now. Chaos theorem has nothing to do with AI.

even so called AI chess programs are just calculating the possibilities of each move at rates beyond human ability than any so-called human form of intelligence.

Don't worry, we'll be long dead before there is a computer AI that is possible of intelligent thinking. :D The logistics of a computer AI being actually able to take over other equipment and doing something remotely similar to Skynet currently only exists in Hollywood movies. :D

I hope there is no one that is crazy enough to create an intelligent supercomputer in the future. :(

Why would you want to create an artificial intelligence that can think and make decisions independently? It will definitely go out of control and harm humanity instead. Many people think that the Three Robotic Laws will rein in the robots in the future. I don't think. An intelligent AI will definitely find loopholes in the 3 laws.

[Providence]

Marcus isn't part of Skynet. He's more like a human inside a cyborg frame.

I thought SkyNet does not negotiate with humans. It simply destroyed the human civilization and built up its own robotic empire instead. Marcus may be 50% human but he still has a cybernetic torso. SkyNet can easily seize Marcus and force him to become an assimilated cyborg. Heck! Marcus may be the prototype of the infiltration terminator types that SkyNet has been constructing.

:s13:

[artemov]

Which cinema showing the digital version har?

Thanks.

[kennyboy]

I thought SkyNet does not negotiate with humans. It simply destroyed the human civilization and built up its own robotic empire instead. Marcus may be 50% human but he still has a cybernetic torso. SkyNet can easily seize Marcus and force him to become an assimilated cyborg. Heck! Marcus may be the prototype of the infiltration terminator types that SkyNet has been constructing.

:s13:
Well, if going by the storyline, Marcus wasn't created by Skynet, but Serena Kogan, so he still maintains autonomy from Skynet. Basically it's Skynet manipulating him to lure JC to it.

Anyway, how does Skynet know the importance of JC and Kyle? From the past terminators?

[kennyboy]

Here's something interesting : The chance of a Terminator style takeover. :D

http://gizmodo.com/5264826/why-the-terminator-uprising-probably-wont-ever-happen

When I interviewed Wired for War author PW Singer last March, he told me that the preconditions for a successful Terminator-type uprising are not in place. As computer development accelerates, however, those preconditions become way more possible.

So, what are the preconditions, according to Singer?

1. The AI or robot has to have some sense of self-preservation and ambition, to want power or fear the loss of power.

2. The robots have to have eliminated any dependence on humans.

3. Humans have to have omitted failsafe controls, so there's no ability to turn robots or AI off.

4. The robots need to gain these advantages in a way that takes humans by surprise.

At the moment, says Singer, these conditions do not exist. "In the Terminator movies, Skynet gets super intelligence, figures the humans are going to eventually shut it down, thinks, 'I better strike first.'" However, in today's army, "we're building robots specifically to go off and get killed." He adds, "No one is building them to have a survival instinct—they're actually building them to have the exact opposite."

As far as human dependence, robots may do more and more human dirty work, but robots still need the meatbags to handle their dirty laundry. "The Global Hawk drone may be able to take off on its own, fly on its own, but it still needs someone to put that gasoline in there." Still, it's not hard to see how this precondition could eventually be overcome.

The failsafe discussion is surprisingly two sided. "It seems rather odd that people who grew up watching Terminator in the movie theaters wouldn't think, 'Hmm, maybe we should have a turn-off switch on there.'" But on the other hand, "brilliant AI could just figure a way around it." Besides, "we don't want to make the failsafe all that easy, because we don't want a robot that comes up to Bin Laden that he can just shut off by reaching around the back and hitting the switch."

We of course assume that robots will never gain the element of surprise. "You don't get super-intelligent robots without first having semi-super-intelligent robots, and so on. At each one of these stages, someone would push back." The scary thing is, Singer does acknowledge that the exponential growth of super-smart machines may indeed catch us by surprise eventually. "By the end it's happening too quickly for people to see."

No matter what preconditions are prevented deliberately, there is a point on every futurist's timeline where computers become "smarter" than humans, in terms of sheer brain capability, and no matter what happens up till that point, the game then changes completely. "In the Terminator movies, Skynet both tricks and coerces people into doing its bidding." How do we stop that from happening?

"Some people say, 'Let's just not work on these systems. If they're so many things coming out of this that are potentially dangerous, why don't we just stop?'" says Singer. "We could do that, as long as we also stop war, capitalism and the human instinct for science and invention."

More in the click through.

[JustAnotherTroll]

Out today!~

[Ultimo_Urien]

The T-800 never appeared so powerful before in previous T movies.

[deathan9el]

hmmm .. is there some kinda hint dat dis movie wont stop at no4 ? :look:

anw .. T:S a pretty decent movie .. lotsa kabooms here & there .. enuff dosage of action tho' at one part gotta remind myself dis aint a transformers movie . :crazy:

btw moon bloodgood's a hot babe indeed . :love:

3.5/5 .

[kennyboy]

hmmm .. is there some kinda hint dat dis movie wont stop at no4 ? :look:

anw .. T:S a pretty decent movie .. lotsa kabooms here & there .. enuff dosage of action tho' at one part gotta remind myself dis aint a transformers movie . :crazy:

btw moon bloodgood's a hot babe indeed . :love:

3.5/5 .
if this movie makes money, McG is slated for 2 more sequels.

[Da_Face]

One thing's for sure about the Terminator franchise now, we can begin to dash all hopes of a Cameron-Arnie comeback, given the former has mentioned he has done all he wanted with the first two films, and the latter now a politician. Terminator Salvation, with McG at the helm and a bevy of writers attempting to do a one-up on the original two films, only managed to bring about a thrill ride which is miles better than the third installment, but has plenty of catch up to do if the new films were to stamp their authority on the franchise.

Continues at http://anutshellreview.blogspot.com/2009/05/terminator-salvation.html

[Yuripa]

Its not a bad movie, though I would have preferred the rumored to be original ending that was previously posted afew pages back.

I think JC is abit too winy and he didn't deserve the ***** from wright man... Wright's probably one of the better antihero's I've seen in a story so far by the way.

[The_Davis]

haiz :( why the hero is the show must...... :(

[TonyLee]

the Japs are making miniature terminators =>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V__NZ8LQ-DE

soon they will mass produce them to swarm our streets and beat the cheap crap of human asses.

[Carnage]

The T-800 never appeared so powerful before in previous T movies.

Yup, that was what struck me after JC shot like 4 grenades directly on the chest.

Zero damage.

[ralliart12]

Yup, that was what struck me after JC shot like 4 grenades directly on the chest.

Zero damage.

In which scenes did the T-800 appear? I was under the impression that most (but not all, of course) of the generic patroling terminators are the clumsier T-600s?

[kennyboy]

In which scenes did the T-800 appear? I was under the impression that most (but not all, of course) of the generic patroling terminators are the clumsier T-600s?
Arnold = T=800 lor.

[kennyboy]

Yup, that was what struck me after JC shot like 4 grenades directly on the chest.

Zero damage.
Grenade bounced off. :D

Connor should shoot bullets, not grenades. :D

[ralliart12]

Arnold = T=800 lor.

I know Arnold is the classic T-800, but any more other T-800s in this movie?

[Providence]

A benefit of doubt! The movie is a reboot of the Terminator franchise so I think I heard John Connor said that the future was not what his mother has warned him about. That means the story has been changed a bit and the T-800 model Terminators have become more powerful in the new timeline. :)

John Connor knew about the future events that his mother told him before she died but the ones he encountered were totally different. Thus, I bet John would not be assassinated by a Terminator in the end.

[deathan9el]

if this movie makes money, McG is slated for 2 more sequels.

wow ... another 2 .
hmmm .. dat wud be interestin' .. seems like it wun end dat soon . :o

[kennyboy]

I know Arnold is the classic T-800, but any more other T-800s in this movie?
on screen? only that one.

JC is worried that the T800 came online too soon wat.

[kennyboy]

A benefit of doubt! The movie is a reboot of the Terminator franchise so I think I heard John Connor said that the future was not what his mother has warned him about. That means the story has been changed a bit and the T-800 model Terminators have become more powerful in the new timeline. :)

John Connor knew about the future events that his mother told him before she died but the ones he encountered were totally different. Thus, I bet John would not be assassinated by a Terminator in the end.
Not a reboot lah.

I don't see much difference....it's still following on the core storyline with minor deviations. And since they altered the ending of this movie there's even less leeway for any deviation.

Actually the original ending was not totally bad. If they had somehow transplanted JC into the cyborg frame it would be more palatable than having a cyborg impersonate JC.

[simiranjiaoranpaji]

Just watched today. Totally worth the ticket price. One of the best movie this year.

[Wzierbovsky]

Caught it too at AMK Hub. Thought it was so-so - watchable but nothing especially great.

[Providence]

Those who worked in wafer fabs and in lithographic sections, did you spot an SVG coating-developing machine at the ending of the movie?

John explained to Kyle that the machine was producing the energy bars that powered up the Terminators. That actual machine is only a lithographic tool that coats and develops wafers for the semi-con industry. Hahahahahaha...

I can even spot 4 bake units on that machine and the coating/developing sections are removed to put the 'energy bars'. :s13:

KNS... Those who did not know anything about lithographic machines will be fooled to believe that the machine is advanced. Well! That coating-developing machine is the great-grandfather of all modern lithographic tools. Muhahahahaha...

It's actually an ancient tool which I believe the movie-makers use it to look like an advanced machine that produces something for the Terminators.

[Providence]

Not a reboot lah.

I don't see much difference....it's still following on the core storyline with minor deviations. And since they altered the ending of this movie there's even less leeway for any deviation.

Actually the original ending was not totally bad. If they had somehow transplanted JC into the cyborg frame it would be more palatable than having a cyborg impersonate JC.

John is anti-machine so he will never become something like Marcus Wright. I think the latter is quite pitiful and brave.

He is supposed to be dead in 2003 but he was used as a prototype to produce infiltration-type Terminators. KNS... :s13:

[Fattytotti]

Kind of disappointed that they never show how they capture Arnold and make him into T800,Instead go straight to how they manifactured T800.
It will be better if they battle T800 with the Skin on through out.

[kennyboy]

John is anti-machine so he will never become something like Marcus Wright. I think the latter is quite pitiful and brave.

He is supposed to be dead in 2003 but he was used as a prototype to produce infiltration-type Terminators. KNS... :s13:
JC didn't had a choice leh...he was dying and needed a replacement. But that's all moot now anyway. :D

[kennyboy]

Kind of disappointed that they never show how they capture Arnold and make him into T800,Instead go straight to how they manifactured T800.
It will be better if they battle T800 with the Skin on through out.
U sure that T800 was based on a human being? Don't count the Sergeant Candy in T3. :D

[MatrixFanatic]

As an action movie, it's good. But there's nothing Terminator about this movie. There's hardly any movement in plot and characters. Sam Worthington is the real deal in this movie, alongside young Kyle Reese Yelchin. It's expected because Charlie 'McG' Angels is the director. On the whole, it's like a parody of the Terminator series.

I feel that T3 > Terminator Salvation, and that speaks volume. Perhaps the redeeming points are it's nice references to the classics, other than that, it's just a nicely filmed loud and explosive summer movie with the American John Woo at helm. I can imagine McG calling up Jerry Bruckheimer and asking him for advice and the latter said , "You wanna make a good movie you gotta rack up the explosives and noises, the audience loves this ****."

Spoilers from here on:



At the end, Marcus Wright 'sacrificed' himself and gave his heart to John Connor. That was downright corny and contrived. Obviously a lame attempt at bringing some 'depth' to the movie with questions like "Oh my, there's something deep about this. He's a machine, and he gave his heart to the Messiah. But yet after his sacrifice, it makes him human. And in the end, we ask ourselves, what is it to be human?"




Spoilers end.

3/5

[Fattytotti]

U sure that T800 was based on a human being? Don't count the Sergeant Candy in T3. :D

Lolx, Not sure.

[Jerry007]

At the hands of McG, the Terminator franchise took a dive to mediocrity from the heights of the two classic prequels. Gone are the gripping and thought-provoking plot fueled by the impending sense of doom for the human race and the time-travel element; and the strength of the lead characters as they scrambled to survive through the nightmarish ordeals to keep each other alive. From an intimate tale of survival of Sarach and John Connor, the story expanded to a massive scale in a grim post-apocalyptic world after Judgement Day where the machines ruled. In the process, the movie became loud and abrasive with plenty of explosions but lacking, ironically, a human heart and soul which the movie is ultimately preaching. The franchise has veered to a path of self-destruction just like what The Matrix Revolutions has done to the Matrix franchise. I loathed the internet community for leaking the original plot where Marcus was replaced by John Connor's empty shell when the latter died to resume his role of leading the resistance force against Skynet. That ending is genius, dark and ironical. That is if the movie producers have the balls to keep that ending.

Inspite of the disappointment from an avid fan of the franchise, the movie still succeeds as an excellent action and effects-driven movie. But a Terminator movie is simply more than that.

[Providence]

Why would McG put an SVG lithographic tool in the movie? :s13:

KNS... It's not even an advanced machine... It's ancient and problematic...

[reimina]

Strange. I thought T1000 is the most advanced terminator. Why does this movie goes backwards in the technology? Why still T800? :s13: Maybe T1000 will be back in T5. Terminator never dies.

[xerxesrex]

Terminator series is going down hill. watch it yesterday.overall a big dissappointment!

[swifix]

Strange. I thought T1000 is the most advanced terminator. Why does this movie goes backwards in the technology? Why still T800? :s13: Maybe T1000 will be back in T5. Terminator never dies.

coz the time haben come mah...???

[Krug]

Yeah. Probably next ep Skynet figures out time travel, then the Resistance manage to get Kyle through, with Arnie going in after... if there is one considering the blah box office.

I don't think the ending with Marcus assuming John Connor's shell would have been that great either. McG's vocab is BOOMBOOMBOOM. Cameron knew how to build suspense, and the first two movies were very simple affairs really. Stop the unstoppable beast, with some time travel hocus pocus thrown in.

[kennyboy]

Strange. I thought T1000 is the most advanced terminator. Why does this movie goes backwards in the technology? Why still T800? :s13: Maybe T1000 will be back in T5. Terminator never dies.
Wah...u following the storyline or not?

[MatrixFanatic]

Terminator series is going down hill. watch it yesterday.overall a big dissappointment!
Your avatar isn't so bad after all hehe.

[Fattytotti]

Kinda Confuse after watching:
I thought in the future they will fight with Lazer Guns, as seems from T1 to T3?
Why Skynet does not wanna Kill klye reese when they capture him in the 1st place?
I thought after that's the Main objective?
So the brain behind SkyNet is actually the Program or the Lady that going to die on cancer?
Can somebody enlighten me pls.

[ralliart12]

...Why Skynet does not wanna Kill klye reese when they capture him in the 1st place?...

I was also wondering this, but then again, if Skynet kills Kyle Reese immediately, then Marcus will NOT be able to fulfil his true objective, i.e.lure Connor to Skynet central.

...So the brain behind SkyNet is actually the Program or the Lady that going to die on cancer?...

No, the lady doctor, is just a face Skynet puts on in its interface to make it easier for the "human conciousness" of Marcus to accept that he is in fact, conversing with a machine.

[Globe]

first 30 mins or so i tot bruce wayne had transported himself into the terminator world ... anyone feels the same ?

[Providence]

Kinda Confuse after watching:
I thought in the future they will fight with Lazer Guns, as seems from T1 to T3?
Why Skynet does not wanna Kill klye reese when they capture him in the 1st place?
I thought after that's the Main objective?
So the brain behind SkyNet is actually the Program or the Lady that going to die on cancer?
Can somebody enlighten me pls.

The timeline has changed somehow. John even said that his mother never mentioned anything about Terminators with human organs. :D

I think the changes made in the past really changed the events in the future.

[ceecookie]

Hmm,

I watched the movie yesterday, and the scenes where they show the "terminator view" of the T800 for instance, why did they not use the usual "Termo-vision"(as i call em) which was in T1-T3? I.e Apple II-style red targeting vision. They used a generic one instead? :s7:

[kennyboy]

Hmm,

I watched the movie yesterday, and the scenes where they show the "terminator view" of the T800 for instance, why did they not use the usual "Termo-vision"(as i call em) which was in T1-T3? I.e Apple II-style red targeting vision. They used a generic one instead? :s7:
updated for current audience lor.

[radish]

i watched salvation must say i am disappointed :(
t1 was great
t2 was ok
t3 was bad
and t4..... terrible

i will even go as much to say if u r a terminator fan, skip this movie :(

[Jerry007]

i watched salvation must say i am disappointed :(
t1 was great
t2 was ok
t3 was bad
and t4..... terrible

i will even go as much to say if u r a terminator fan, skip this movie :(

I think T2 is as much a classic as T1.

[lloop9]

I was kinda disappointed.

The movie lack the sense of urgency, the set was not very convincing to me, it felt kinda cheap, like the production value is not up-to-par for this one. With the exception of Bale, the acting was pretty monotonous. The giant robo scene looks like they rip out a page from Tom Cruise's War of the Worlds. The mood just wasn't there.

I'm hope the rest of the trilogy gets better than this. :(

[tequila_powered]

Saw it, not impressed by it. Quite predictable from get-go. Too much CGI and technology geewhiz (quite a lot of the effects are like where-did-I-see-before) , and personally I do not like the darkish format ported from Batman (didn't like it in Batman too). Had a better time with StarTrek.

Watch only if you have time to spare, even if you are a Terminator1/2 fan like me.

[warboy85]

does john met his father in this show?

[hiei02]

was it really that bad? i took it as an action movie and pretty much enjoyed myself.

[Jerry007]

was it really that bad? i took it as an action movie and pretty much enjoyed myself.

It is a good action movie but lack the essence of the original Terminator movies. The story is going in a different direction now.

[kopitian]

1. PLOT WAS AWFUL

No fluency in between scenes. Suddenly got generals, dont explain about all the other skynet bases, it was a narrow minded plot for such a wide scale movie.The romance was cheesy. What was the point. Your movie was 2 hours and got a lot of holes.. still wanna squeeze in some stupid romantic plot. It wasnt edgy as T2.. probably due to the director and the script..

2. Director

McG directed 2 charlie and angels movie and thats it. This guy used to direct only music videos for mtv.. How u can tell this guy is an awful director.. watch charlies angel. Listen to bales rant with the guy during on set. This guy cant control a set let alone bale..who is such an intense actor.. such a waste of talent.

3. Script. Bad script.

"I'll be back?"
1st time we heard it was funny. 2nd time we heard it was funny too. 3rd time..cheesy. 4th time.. errr?

As i said this is a horrible movie in general.. too rojak when it could have been panned out with better arrangements.

Problem is they tried to squeeze in a lot in 2 hours. its like the matrix movies squeeze into
1.

Star trek is an example of a good witty script, good action packed scenes with a good sense of direction and cinematography. All this done in good pace.

End rant

[tequila_powered]

I was also wondering this, but then again, if Skynet kills Kyle Reese immediately, then Marcus will NOT be able to fulfil his true objective, i.e.lure Connor to Skynet central.


.


Big hole on plot. If they had killed Reese immediately upon capture, John would never had existed. Why bother waiting to kill John?

[tequila_powered]

And anyone figured out yet how Skynet at this movie time already knew that Reese is the future father of JohnConnor?

And if it knew by this time, what is the easiest way to stop John from existing? Simple. Don't start research to build the timetravel machine which they were supposed to be building in future (past the timepoint of this movie, when Reese is older). How's that for curve ball? :D

[kopitian]

The problem with this whole series is they should have stopped at T2.

Seriously.

[tequila_powered]

More curve balls.

How on earth did Skynet know Reese's face? Judgement day happened 15 yrs ago, so any photos of Reese should be when he was just a toddler.

If we say that (as per earlier post) Skynet future somehow informed Skynet 2018 about the Reese-John relationship, and at same time passed on info how to recognize Reese; wouldn't it be smarter for the future Skynet to use that timetravel machine (that allowed it to warn this Skynet 2018) to send another Arnie back to around 2003 to kill baby Reese? Not as many random Reese to kill compared to Connors. But it did not; evidence - Reese did not have the why-me guilt complex that John had. Oh wait, I think I just stumble onto another movie story. Can I copyright this new line? :s13:

[tequila_powered]

Hell, future Skynet should also warn Skynet 2018 to stop all immediate production of Terminator series beyond the then operational T600 models, seeing how Marcus and Arnie were susceptible to human attachments/fratenization.

[lloop9]

Screw Terminator Salvation! I'm waiting for someone to pick up the rights to film Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator from Dark Horse. =:p

[kennyboy]

Hell, future Skynet should also warn Skynet 2018 to stop all immediate production of Terminator series beyond the then operational T600 models, seeing how Marcus and Arnie were susceptible to human attachments/fratenization.
Yeah, then there would be no Terminator movies anyway.

Have movies for what? Skynet closed all the loopholes liao. Humans all die.

[kennyboy]

Screw Terminator Salvation! I'm waiting for someone to pick up the rights to film Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator from Dark Horse. =:p
Don't worry, it will never happen. :D

Even if happen it will have a godawful storyline.

[tequila_powered]

Yeah, then there would be no Terminator movies anyway.

Have movies for what? Skynet closed all the loopholes liao. Humans all die.

Sounds like Matrix, where the survivors basically lost and are allowed to live (emasculated, actually) only because the Computer thinks it is safe to keep to one [human] promise. Did well what, that movie =:p

[kennyboy]

Sounds like Matrix, where the survivors basically lost and are allowed to live (emasculated, actually) only because the Computer thinks it is safe to keep to one [human] promise. Did well what, that movie =:p
every movie sure got loophole one lah...dun think so much, just relax and enjoy.

If Skynet so smart then it would have sent 101 terminators in T1. Then no more T2 liao. :D

[tequila_powered]

I wan my money back. 4x9.50. plus popcorn and drinks. :o

[Providence]

Big hole on plot. If they had killed Reese immediately upon capture, John would never had existed. Why bother waiting to kill John?

The supercomputer wanted to kill two birds with one stone. I think SkyNet also has a big ego. It could not kill John Connor in the alternate futures so it decided to use Kyle Reese to lure John into a death-trap instead. SkyNet will never stop finding ways to eliminate John Connor who is the biggest threat to its existence.

:)

I think SkyNet did not know about Kyle Reese's childhood so it decided to wait longer to find out his true identity when he grew up and remained alive after Judgment Day. From my point of view, SkyNet is merely strengthening and expanding its dominance after destroying the human civilization so it is not as powerful as the future-version of SkyNet.