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terabytez
23-09-2008, 01:00 PM
Hey guys... recently I've been feeling really tired. I have inflammations on the balls of my left foot and on my back. Blood circulation is not at all good. I often feel that I'm gasping for air and I'm breathless all the time. I have to yawn in order to feel better. I have problems sleeping and I have been waking up in the middle of the night for the past few days. I feel stressed and I lack vitality. I've read that belly fat (which i have) will cause testosterone levels to deplete. And that if you don't eat well your brain will think you're starving and stop testosterone production. My weight went down from 59kg about 3 months ago to 56.5kg now, even though I didn't exercise much due to some sciatica symptoms and school (I barely ran twice a month and had only 1 or 3 visits to the gym). I shouldn't be losing so much weight! Yet, I feel that I'm eating fine. I've stopped eating fast food and I don't eat after 7pm. I don't think I've got a eating disorder. Does anyone think I should take some testosterone boosters + ZMA or any other supplement? I think my testosterone levels are down, thereby causing all the inflammations and poor blood circulation. Which is a recommended supplement? -> Tribex / TestostroGrow / ON ZMA / UN ZMA / Blueup / UN Saw Palmetto.

I'm 21. 1.68m tall. 56.5kg as of time of posting. I have belly fat and lots of loose skin cos I used to be 79kg (3 years ago). Then I lost weight and now I'm finding it hard to get rid of the belly fat. I've read that low testosterone levels will cause fat to be retained at the belly in men.

Any advice?

kebinu
23-09-2008, 01:24 PM
Your hormones is really messed up right now.

Post your diet please. Supplement is not going to save you.

I hope you will just work on mobility and stuff for now first.

terabytez
23-09-2008, 02:54 PM
Breakfast
- usually 1 packet of biscuits (eg. Lexus biscuits) + 1 cup of milo

Lunch and Dinner
- usually mixed veg rice with 1 veg, 1 meat, 1 egg (chinese, malay stall, school food)
- sometimes I'll have Subway
- noodles
- home-cooked food

Snacks in between
- almond nuts or walnuts
- protein shake

I forgot to mention that my hands and feet feel cold easily in air-con rooms.
But sometimes I feel really warm and heated up.

ironfreak
23-09-2008, 03:07 PM
Hey guys... recently I've been feeling really tired. I have inflammations on the balls of my left foot and on my back. Blood circulation is not at all good. I often feel that I'm gasping for air and I'm breathless all the time. I have to yawn in order to feel better. I have problems sleeping and I have been waking up in the middle of the night for the past few days. I feel stressed and I lack vitality. I've read that belly fat (which i have) will cause testosterone levels to deplete. And that if you don't eat well your brain will think you're starving and stop testosterone production. My weight went down from 59kg about 3 months ago to 56.5kg now, even though I didn't exercise much due to some sciatica symptoms and school (I barely ran twice a month and had only 1 or 3 visits to the gym). I shouldn't be losing so much weight! Yet, I feel that I'm eating fine. I've stopped eating fast food and I don't eat after 7pm. I don't think I've got a eating disorder. Does anyone think I should take some testosterone boosters + ZMA or any other supplement? I think my testosterone levels are down, thereby causing all the inflammations and poor blood circulation. Which is a recommended supplement? -> Tribex / TestostroGrow / ON ZMA / UN ZMA / Blueup / UN Saw Palmetto.

I'm 21. 1.68m tall. 56.5kg as of time of posting. I have belly fat and lots of loose skin cos I used to be 79kg (3 years ago). Then I lost weight and now I'm finding it hard to get rid of the belly fat. I've read that low testosterone levels will cause fat to be retained at the belly in men.

Any advice?

There's a lot going on here and honestly, I don't think anyone can give you a concrete answer as to what exactly is happening to you.

However, I believe you should see a doctor regarding those inflammatory symptoms of yours to rule out serious medical conditions.

Let me share my experiences with you.

Last year, I had insomnia for about 3 weeks. Other symptoms included a rapid heartbeat and fatigue during the day. It was frustrating that I was feeling tired during the day but couldn't sleep more than a couple of hours at night. Plus, I was too tired to have a positive exercise regime.

It was something that has never happened in my life before. I visited the doctor to rule out underlying medical conditions such as hyperthyroidism and heart problems. There was nothing physically wrong with me. Only after the doctor suggested that my condition might be stress-related, then I realised that the overwhelming pressures at work could have gotten to me.

So, what I did was just to talk to my loved ones about what was going on. Simple re-assurances from them and reinforcing my own beliefs that 'everything would tide over' and 'remaining positive is better than beating oneself over something transient in nature' was all it took to ease and then, completely eradicate my condition a month later.

Of course, only you would know what is causing yourself to be stressed out. You have to learn to de-stress - whether it's by doing something different from your daily routine or talking to someone about it.

While you're at the doctor's, also get your testosterone levels checked, If it's indeed too low for a guy your age, there is prescribed medication and also, get recommendations from the doctor as to what you can do to raise your testosterone levels, including questions on your diet i.e. what you should eat.

Not all the blame is on belly fat that causes low testosterone. It's stress + poor diet + poor lifestyle - that causes belly fat and low testosterone. So, it could be one, a couple or all three of those factors. Any one of these factors may also be causing you to lose weight (in the form of lost muscle mass) and store belly fat.

Instead of worrying - at the moment - that low testosterone levels may be causing poor blood circulation and belly fat storage, I rather you attribute the cause to the infrequent exercise - and your recent weight loss (probably in the form of muscle loss) to the lack of weight training for the past 3 months.

Plus, if you were indeed weight training and running regularly before your conditions showed up, you shouldn't be "starving" yourself - by that I mean eating after 7pm. The fact is, you should be having 5 or 6 meals a day, spaced out nicely every few hours. If your "last meal" is at 7pm, then what is your body going to use to rebuild muscle at 10pm? Hypothetically, you should, at least, be having breakfast, lunch, mid-afternoon meal, dinner and pre-bedtime meal for a start. Meals can also be protein shakes.

Read up on calorie and macronutrient i.e. carbs, protein and fat, intake on fitness websites if you wish. There is no 'fix it all' diet plan I must say, but rather, one usually adopt a starting plan and gradually refine it through trial and error over time. Only as an example: If you find yourself gaining muscle mass but also significant bodyfat at the same time, you may wish to cut a portion of carbs per day/up your cardio by 10 mins.

I can't help with the loose skin though. The most effective way to getting rid of this from excessive weight loss is through surgery, although some might suggest massage or firming creams (which I find is rather scientifically unproven).

I understand that this is all too overwhelming to grasp at once. Please take things slowly by seeing a doctor first, sorting out the cause of your stress, and gradually work your fitness over the next few months.

Just believe that as long as you take positive action, you can only get better. :)

terabytez
23-09-2008, 03:15 PM
Thanks ironfreak. Much needed advice.

seowaiko
23-09-2008, 08:33 PM
Breakfast
- usually 1 packet of biscuits (eg. Lexus biscuits) + 1 cup of milo

Lunch and Dinner
- usually mixed veg rice with 1 veg, 1 meat, 1 egg (chinese, malay stall, school food)
- sometimes I'll have Subway
- noodles
- home-cooked food

Snacks in between
- almond nuts or walnuts
- protein shake

I forgot to mention that my hands and feet feel cold easily in air-con rooms.
But sometimes I feel really warm and heated up.

do you eat fresh fruits?

eat oatmeal instead of biscuits for breakfast. they are much more nutritious.

terabytez
23-09-2008, 08:36 PM
do you eat fresh fruits?

eat oatmeal instead of biscuits for breakfast. they are much more nutritious.

Yes I eat fresh fruits. Oranges, grapes, apples pear....



Maybe I'm suffering from zinc deficiency or something?

wasupcutler
23-09-2008, 08:47 PM
U are only 21, please do not take any testosterone boosters...u are in ur prime time.....

I feel what u need now is to get back to a normal life......u need to get ur sleep and diet to a average person den works towards including exercises into ur life.

Try to relax urself also.....be it sch or work, once u reach home, try to relax. Before u sleep, listen to some music, play some games and completely forget abt the work stress that u ave before going to sleep.

Think abt this, stress also must sleep, no stress also must sleep, y not have a good sleep and worry abt the work tomorrow?

terabytez
23-09-2008, 11:21 PM
U are only 21, please do not take any testosterone boosters...u are in ur prime time.....

I feel what u need now is to get back to a normal life......u need to get ur sleep and diet to a average person den works towards including exercises into ur life.

Try to relax urself also.....be it sch or work, once u reach home, try to relax. Before u sleep, listen to some music, play some games and completely forget abt the work stress that u ave before going to sleep.

Think abt this, stress also must sleep, no stress also must sleep, y not have a good sleep and worry abt the work tomorrow?

Do you think I can take ZMA? Heard it helps people sleep.

Mr Enigma
23-09-2008, 11:29 PM
Exercise, nutrition and sleep!

ironfreak
24-09-2008, 12:18 AM
From my personal experience in the past, ZMA did help me get restful or "deep" sleep, as they call it and I would wake up feeling more refreshed.

The funny thing is, after a while - the effect lessened over the one month I was on ZMA. So, in the end, I stopped supplementing with it.

I am unsure of its effect on helping one fall asleep though. I mean I was usually feeling tired before retiring to bed anyway.

There are natural remedies such as valerian root, hops and chamomile and other herbs which can be taken individually or in combined doses. Google on some herbal remendies for insomnia and read some comments on the effectiveness of the various herbs. Valerian root, for one, has been very effective in many clinical trials. Ultimatesg.com sells it online or you may try the local pharmacies.

Another suggested remedy is melatonin. It's like a signal hormone to the brain that tells it to prepare for sleep as the night beckons, and for various, obvious and less obvious reasons i.e. such as adrenal disorders to jet lag, our body sometimes doesn't produce enough of it naturally, resulting in insomnia. Melatonin, as with valerian root, is easily affordable. It can be found on nutritionpark.com and ultimatesg.com. Likewise, you can also try the local pharmacies.

Whatever you choose, go with the suggested dosage and see if it has been easier for you to fall asleep.

At the same time, as I've already mentioned in my earlier post, visit a doctor for your other symptoms. Another thing, if you mention your case of insomnia to the doctor - chances are they'll temporarily prescribe you artificial drugs like orphrenadrine for a few days while your test results are pending. These drugs may help a little as a sleep aid, but chances are that the next morning you wake up, you'll probably feel lethargic and sleepy later in the day again.

Make your own decision on whether these drugs are necessary then.

One more thing about taking any remedy, whether natural or not, is not to be over-reliant on them. You would want to be able to fall asleep on your own in time to come, I'm sure! Once you are fatigued enough to fall asleep, go ahead without taking the remedy. Even if you sleep a couple less hours without the remedy, it's no big deal. One thing about the human body is that it's highly adaptable to external stimuli. Without the aid of the remedy, it has to force itself to recuperate longer from your daily exertions.

I've only suggested a couple of ideas from my very limited knowledge on insomnia. There are probably thousands of ways to treat this condition. Insomnia is always a condition of some other underlying cause: it's not an illness in itself. So, at least you can be consoled that once you treat the cause of the insomnia (perhaps your stress levels?) - your insomnia will gradually disappear. :)

shannon1234
24-09-2008, 09:00 AM
forget it, ZMA wont make you sleep better. i am also having restless sleep during the weekdays, but somehow during the weekends i find that i sleep better. so its definitely stress / work related.

KenshinnHimura
24-09-2008, 07:33 PM
Tribex is proven. You should choose it if you are gonna use a test booster.

ZMA can't help much with sleep when you are having sleep problems. It is stress/work related just like a fellow has said. That having been said, ZMA is a great sup.

eat lots of vege and some herbal stuff.

manyu882
24-09-2008, 07:46 PM
forget it, ZMA wont make you sleep better. i am also having restless sleep during the weekdays, but somehow during the weekends i find that i sleep better. so its definitely stress / work related.

try melatonin. i took about 9mg. really makes me sleep after 45 mins of consumption. u can sleep until next morning as long as ur eyes close, u will feel sleepy. try not to exposed bring your eyes to bright lights, ur body will produce a chemical which opposes melatonin effect.

give u my 2 cent

shannon1234
24-09-2008, 09:44 PM
try melatonin. i took about 9mg. really makes me sleep after 45 mins of consumption. u can sleep until next morning as long as ur eyes close, u will feel sleepy. try not to exposed bring your eyes to bright lights, ur body will produce a chemical which opposes melatonin effect.

give u my 2 cent

heard tat after sometime, your body just gets immune to it. ohh nothing against zma though, sex drive actually improves leh. :D

manyu882
24-09-2008, 10:34 PM
heard tat after sometime, your body just gets immune to it. ohh nothing against zma though, sex drive actually improves leh. :D


yep usually if i dont need it i dont take.

kebinu
25-09-2008, 12:21 AM
melatonin works great. it let me dream... funny dreams.

meowmeowcat
25-09-2008, 04:07 PM
Hey guys... recently I've been feeling really tired. I have inflammations on the balls of my left foot and on my back. Blood circulation is not at all good. I often feel that I'm gasping for air and I'm breathless all the time. I have to yawn in order to feel better. I have problems sleeping and I have been waking up in the middle of the night for the past few days. I feel stressed and I lack vitality. I've read that belly fat (which i have) will cause testosterone levels to deplete. And that if you don't eat well your brain will think you're starving and stop testosterone production. My weight went down from 59kg about 3 months ago to 56.5kg now, even though I didn't exercise much due to some sciatica symptoms and school (I barely ran twice a month and had only 1 or 3 visits to the gym). I shouldn't be losing so much weight! Yet, I feel that I'm eating fine. I've stopped eating fast food and I don't eat after 7pm. I don't think I've got a eating disorder. Does anyone think I should take some testosterone boosters + ZMA or any other supplement? I think my testosterone levels are down, thereby causing all the inflammations and poor blood circulation. Which is a recommended supplement? -> Tribex / TestostroGrow / ON ZMA / UN ZMA / Blueup / UN Saw Palmetto.

I'm 21. 1.68m tall. 56.5kg as of time of posting. I have belly fat and lots of loose skin cos I used to be 79kg (3 years ago). Then I lost weight and now I'm finding it hard to get rid of the belly fat. I've read that low testosterone levels will cause fat to be retained at the belly in men.

Any advice?

Your symtoms should sound familiar with lotsa people everywhere. Fatigue in the afternoon, laziness when waking up, general lethargic-ness, these are nothing new. The problem is how do you get rid of them and regain the vitality..

The average human being, both healthy and unhealty alike has got so much toxins inside your body which u do not know exist and these toxins in our bloodstream are fed to every part of our body, and it is these toxins that causes all the tiredness etc etc.

My suggestion to you and all reading is to detox your body at regular intervals. There are many ways to detox, oral intake, colonic irrigation or even yoga. But i recommend the simplest way, though it may cost abit of money. It is to purchase a water filter that filters out the toxins and acid in our tap water leaving alkaline water as the drinking water. Our blood is alkaline, so drink alkaline water to flush out the acid and toxins to acheive a better quality of life.

When your body toxin and acid level drops, your general wellbeing improves drastically. I used to be a guardsman in NS and I thought I am real fit then. Only did I realise that how physically fit I am does not equate to low fatigue and tiredness. For me I only acheived improved health when I started to eat GOOD food and detox regularly.

There are many ways to detox and my most recommended is colonic irrigation, ie enema. All the above described is for your/all's consideration only. GIYBF, do a search if you want to find out more.

cowculator
26-08-2009, 06:56 PM
Your problem doesn't seem that serious. I was recently diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, amongst the problems, my weight went down 12kg in 8 weeks on a regular unchanged diet and lifestyle. I constantly have eyestrain and blur vision, a diarrhea that doesn't go away, insomnia, and my hands and legs tremble all the time. When I talk, I feel breathless, let alone walk.

If you're 21, it seems supplementation isn't the optimum route for you. I would simply suggest that you take less refined sugar and carbs, avoid soy and incorporate more oily fish in your diet. The alkaline water trick works although you can simply eat more veggies. I think that the "no food after 7pm" rule is BS, assuming you wake up at 6.30am, have breakfast at 7am the next day, that is a 12 hour fast. Have a light supper of cottage cheese, yoghurt or tossed salads, or a glass of milk or protein drink around 9 or 10pm. Monitor after 3 months your energy and strength level as well as your weight.