SingNet 10Mbps - Alternative modem & router [Archive]

MrJacky

11-04-2009, 06:53 PM

I had actually planned to have the WAG160N replace my 2WIRE 2701HGV-E for my SingNet 10Mbps plan but it seems like although it's fast and it's QoS is still decent enough given the default firmware its still rather buggy.

For example, the "Auto" option in QoS is bugged, which I solved by replacing with the max value.

However, the bugged wireless connectivity is what breaks the deal. It seems like what many people have claimed online about the WAG160N, the wireless function is indeed bugged, and supposedly won't leave you connected for more than 10 minutes.

And since it's a gateway rather than a standalone router most 3rd-party firmware don't support it, for instance the rather popular DD-WRT.

As I'm setting up for my whole family rather than myself I would want to seek out a better solution.

I have a Linksys WRT54G and I had thought of using it, but I'm seeking for a Wireless-N solution instead as there are devices in my family which are Wireless-N capable and I am planning to find another use for the WRT54G.

I am limiting my option only to Linksys products since I am most familiar with it.

My first option:

2WIRE 2701HGV-E (bridge mode) ---> Linksys Wireless-N Router WRT610N

Will I still be able to access the 2WIRE's web interface when it's set to bridge mode?

I'm thinking of doing a full bridge instead of a half bridge.

My second option:

Linksys ADSL2+ Modem AM300 (bridge mode) ---> Linksys Wireless-N Router WRT610N

What do you think? I have read some positive comments about the AM300, but I'm not sure of the WRT610N.

I don't really want to buy another lemon again, as with my experience with the WAG160N.

Ahkowgoh

11-04-2009, 09:27 PM

Buy Dlink and u will not regret.

glacieraze

11-04-2009, 09:28 PM

Im using the current setup for my Singnet 10Mbps

Linksys AM300 Modem + D-link DIR-655 router

wohouboy

11-04-2009, 09:49 PM

Im using the current setup for my Singnet 10Mbps

Linksys AM300 Modem + D-link DIR-655 router

same. am using this as well. and i can tell you. this is an IMBA combo.

sextifaction guaranteed.

MrJacky

11-04-2009, 09:52 PM

Im using the current setup for my Singnet 10Mbps

Linksys AM300 Modem + D-link DIR-655 router
How's your experience with both the AM300 and the DIR-655?

I would like to know the following:

SpeedTest to Singapore server, and add in a few random US servers also if you can
Any "extra benefits" with this configuration that you have found

Buy Dlink and u will not regret.
So I assume you are a happy customer?

Care to elaborate?

MrJacky

11-04-2009, 09:54 PM

same. am using this as well. and i can tell you. this is an IMBA combo.

sextifaction guaranteed.
IMBA?

Do you have some SpeedTest results with this configuration?

I would probably get the AM300 modem first then search for a suitable router, but I need to know if the AM300 has any benefit over the 2WIRE 2701HGV-E.

wohouboy

11-04-2009, 10:00 PM

IMBA?

Do you have some SpeedTest results with this configuration?

I would probably get the AM300 modem first then search for a suitable router, but I need to know if the AM300 has any benefit over the 2WIRE 2701HGV-E.

Hi there..

ok maybe IMBA is exagerrating? But i've never had any problems with speed/latency. I use BT from private and public trackers, and depending on seeds, almost always max out my downstream.

I sometimes run about 30-40 downloads on emule, about 10 seeding/leeching on bt, AND play Dota at the same time with no complains of lag. (Must cap the uploads of course at 10kb and 50kb respectively).

i hope that's imba enough for you :D and no i don't have speedtest results because i never test :P

MrJacky

11-04-2009, 10:14 PM

Hi there..

ok maybe IMBA is exagerrating? But i've never had any problems with speed/latency. I use BT from private and public trackers, and depending on seeds, almost always max out my downstream.

I sometimes run about 30-40 downloads on emule, about 10 seeding/leeching on bt, AND play Dota at the same time with no complains of lag. (Must cap the uploads of course at 10kb and 50kb respectively).

i hope that's imba enough for you :D and no i don't have speedtest results because i never test :P
I suppose you mean "imbalanced"? UrbanDictionary tells me that.

Would you do a SpeedTest right now? Just head to SpeedTest.net and select the Singapore server.

Of course the SpeedTest would be more accurate if you turn off your downloads/torrents while you test.

Your results determine my fate.

wohouboy

11-04-2009, 10:33 PM

ok doesn't seem very good

http://www.speedtest.net/result/449969438.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

my brother's playing Blackshot right now, and my phone is downloading a 100mb update for its Merriam Webster dictionary. mIRC is running on my computer. I'm using my laptop upstairs which is remote-desktop-ing to my desktop to run this speedtest :P

Hope it doesn't turnyou off from buying the combo we're using. It's really good! :D

wohouboy

11-04-2009, 10:35 PM

LOL malaysian server gives better response! this test was taking under the same conditions as mentioned above still.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/449970663.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

MrJacky

11-04-2009, 10:39 PM

Glad to see there are also Singaporeans who go on IRC. :)

Do you see any benefit with this configuration over the 2WIRE 2701HGV-E (or whatever SingNet provided you with)?

glacieraze

11-04-2009, 10:56 PM

How's your experience with both the AM300 and the DIR-655?

I would like to know the following:
SpeedTest to Singapore server, and add in a few random US servers also if you can
Any "extra benefits" with this configuration that you have found

Hi, as you request :s12:

Speed test done at 10.46PM

Runinng connection with Cat5E cables.

The speed is more dependent on Singnet side.. so we cannot do anything about overseas connection :s22:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/449977145.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/449979147.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/449980898.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/449981645.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/449982139.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Well.. it basically good... :s22: Actually if you got your 2wire modem/router can bridge it... but because I prefer the size of linksys AM300 modem... i change my 2wire to linksys am399

MrJacky

12-04-2009, 12:02 AM

I don't know what's the matter with 2WIRE, but when I do a SpeedTest to the Singapore server the upload test will always fail (doesn't happen to the WAG160N though).

A test to Singapore give me a 9.41MB/s and 55ms ping with an Ethernet connection to 2WIRE.

I have never achieved less than 40ms ping to the Singapore server, WAG160N or 2WIRE.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/450016755.png
http://www.speedtest.net/result/450018596.png
http://www.speedtest.net/result/450020195.png
http://www.speedtest.net/result/450020968.png

Can I assume that the bottleneck is the 2WIRE and the AM300 is the one which improves the speed?

What do you mean by the "size"? Size as in the physical size or the amount of load the AM300 could take?

liangtam

12-04-2009, 12:28 AM

http://www.speedtest.net/result/450028209.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
http://www.speedtest.net/result/450030250.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
http://www.speedtest.net/result/450031444.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
http://www.speedtest.net/result/450034548.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
http://www.speedtest.net/result/450036742.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

MrJacky

12-04-2009, 12:58 AM

liangtam

12-04-2009, 02:43 AM

And I assume you are on 2WIRE?

You win in speed but not in latency, all your tests had higher latency than the other user.

Yes.

My connection is borderline to bras mah hence higher latency lor.

MrJacky

12-04-2009, 04:02 AM

Yes.

My connection is borderline to bras mah hence higher latency lor.
Anyway they aren't really bad, you have similar latency with mine.

I'm curious as to how you optimise your 2WIRE to achieve all those speed.

hangyong

12-04-2009, 07:18 AM

on 2wire set as bridge, router is DIR655, BT running in the background

http://www.filmgrain.com/adsl2/test.png

http://www.speedtest.net/result/450248093.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/450249607.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/450249964.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

roadspeeder1

12-04-2009, 07:40 AM

i am using netgear for a couple of years already... 2wires sucks.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/450260182.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

cpuer

12-04-2009, 07:44 AM

since both options of yours need to buy a new router, why don't you 1st try with 2wire as bridge? If not satisfactory then consider changing a new modem.

MrJacky

12-04-2009, 02:38 PM

since both options of yours need to buy a new router, why don't you 1st try with 2wire as bridge? If not satisfactory then consider changing a new modem.
On second thoughts since I may not have that much money to splurge on the best of both I thought I would give myself the excuse to wait for Wireless-N to be finalised somewhere in November this year.

Anyway after my experience with the WAG160N I really don't want to purchase another lemon, so I thought I would focus on one thing at a time, and that's the modem.

So far comments about the AM300 are positive, but I'm thinking what benefits it will give me over the 2WIRE if I purchase it. I won't want to purchase it just for the Linksys name.

liangtam

12-04-2009, 02:53 PM

Anyway they aren't really bad, you have similar latency with mine.

I'm curious as to how you optimise your 2WIRE to achieve all those speed.

Nothing, seriously.
Most ppl should be able to hit their plan rate be it any brand

MrJacky

12-04-2009, 02:56 PM

Nothing, seriously.
Most ppl should be able to hit their plan rate be it any brand
My speeds are all half of yours, and I'm on 10Mbps.

That's the irony. And I'm currently still on 2WIRE.

liangtam

12-04-2009, 03:02 PM

u shld only test singapore as a ref.

MrJacky

12-04-2009, 03:11 PM

u shld only test singapore as a ref.
The thing is, whenever I'm on 2WIRE my SpeedTest to the Singapore server will always fail (most of the time fails at upload).

I confirmed it's my 2WIRE as I can test perfectly fine when I'm on WAG160N.

I don't know if bridging will solve the problem or not.

MrJacky

12-04-2009, 10:07 PM

So can I assume that the AM300 is one fine modem? Anyone has yet to experience any hiccups with it?

wohouboy

12-04-2009, 10:56 PM

So can I assume that the AM300 is one fine modem? Anyone has yet to experience any hiccups with it?

Have been using my AM300 with DIR-655 combo for more than 1.5 years already... Haven't really experienced any hiccups except nowadays, once every few weeks, the internet will just stop working, maybe Singnet maintenance? I have to turn off, turn on the modem and let it reconnect then everything's fine as a whistle.

Only reason why I didn't use 2wire in bridge mode to DIR-655 is back then there wasn't much documentation on it :(

badsector

13-04-2009, 11:39 AM

how come nobody recommend speedtouch585?

MrJacky

14-04-2009, 11:23 PM

Alright since the AM300 has seen good reviews I suppose I could consider buying it.

We are done for the modem, now for the router.

Some has recommended the DIR-655, I may buy it due to its design and positive reviews, but since it's a router I would probably lean towards one which has a possibility of using DD-WRT firmware.

I am into QoS recently and I find that this is something that I will really need on my home network since it's going to be shared by the whole family. I don't want torrents dragging my BF2 connection.

I would also hope the default firmware in the router has a decent QoS so I won't have to meddle with 3rd-party firmwares. I know you can't rely on most default firmwares, but some has shown me that it can do some basic QoS, such as the WAG160N.

liangtam

14-04-2009, 11:34 PM

You don't always need QoS to be able to do both gaming and P2P at the same time. Its called self-regulating. Therefore........

Any brand any model, will do :D

MrJacky

15-04-2009, 08:35 PM

You don't always need QoS to be able to do both gaming and P2P at the same time. Its called self-regulating. Therefore........

Any brand any model, will do :D
If I have that option I wouldn't waste my time fiddling with QoS. ;)

Anyway that's not the point here, my previous post still stands.

phuque99

15-04-2009, 10:03 PM

if qos is so important to you, then use a tomato firmware compatible router bah. otherwise next month you come here or go dd-wrt forum with your complex qos rules cannot make it and feel that dd-wrt is a lemon. :D already told you previously that separation of device (modem and router) is important. all in one is dem mah huan.

so my previous so called "spam" question still stand, can your router support bridge mode? if so, get a tomato firmware compatible router. if its qos cannot satisfy the un-discplinable pirate downloaders, your only solution is dedicated individual internet access :D

alexlau

16-04-2009, 12:45 PM

regarding wireless routers, how about ASUS routers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_routers

The specs for WL-500G/W are quite decent. Further more, they have built in USB port. DD-WRT is supported as well, but not Tomato.

nikobell

16-04-2009, 01:02 PM

i using WAG54G2 , so far no problem quite nice and gd

wireless G + adsl2+ modem, 2 in 1...

MrJacky

17-04-2009, 09:44 PM

i using WAG54G2 , so far no problem quite nice and gd

wireless G + adsl2+ modem, 2 in 1...
I got a feeling you didn't read my first post at all.

MrJacky

17-04-2009, 09:44 PM

MrJacky

19-04-2009, 09:16 AM

Preacher1010

19-04-2009, 09:39 AM

I'm still quite puzzled as to which Linksys router to buy.

http://www-sg.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C1&childpagename=SG%2FLayout&cid=1137451285430&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=8543085911B01

What's the benefit of having Gigabit?

having a gigabit router speeds up communication between computers in your own private (home) network .. eg. file sharing. your private LAN gaming, assuming that each computer has a Gigabit adapter

MrJacky

19-04-2009, 02:15 PM

having a gigabit router speeds up communication between computers in your own private (home) network .. eg. file sharing. your private LAN gaming, assuming that each computer has a Gigabit adapter
Is Gigabit a norm nowadays or is it something rare/premium?

Can someone recommend me a stable Wireless-N router from the following list?

http://www-sg.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C1&childpagename=SG%2FLayout&cid=1137451285430&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=8543085911B01

I'm considering the following routers:

D-Link DIR-655 - Recommended by users here, but DD-WRT incompatible with it as far as I know
Linksys WRT610N - DD-WRT work in progress, don't know how stable it is, price is also another factor
Linksys WRT350N - DD-WRT available for it, don't know how stable it is, price is another factor

cpuer

19-04-2009, 02:33 PM

If QOS setting is a concern, the new Linksys' are pretty user friendly in it's settings.

xinus84

19-04-2009, 02:44 PM

Is Gigabit a norm nowadays or is it something rare/premium?

Can someone recommend me a stable Wireless-N router from the following list?

http://www-sg.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C1&childpagename=SG%2FLayout&cid=1137451285430&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=8543085911B01

I'm considering the following routers:

D-Link DIR-655 - Recommended by users here, but DD-WRT incompatible with it as far as I know
Linksys WRT610N - DD-WRT work in progress, don't know how stable it is, price is also another factor
Linksys WRT350N - DD-WRT available for it, don't know how stable it is, price is another factor
very norm. my desktop lan of 5 yrs has got gigabit ethernet card oready.

but u need a gigabit router to take advantage.

so far as i know, d-link provides lifetime warranty.

MrJacky

19-04-2009, 02:46 PM

If QOS setting is a concern, the new Linksys' are pretty user friendly in it's settings.
Yes I see it in WAG160N.

I'm just concerned about the stability.

For example my wireless connection with the WAG160N don't last for 10 minutes (and I'm pretty sure it's the router and not my adapter).

MrJacky

19-04-2009, 02:48 PM

What does the "simultanenous dual-N" in WRT610N do?

I heard it's got to do with some 2.4GHz and 5GHz.

MrJacky

19-04-2009, 10:53 PM

Anyone has any experience with the WRT610N?

I'm leaning more and more onto this router.

MrJacky

21-04-2009, 12:18 AM

It seems like there are more criticism of the WRT610N than positive comments. Either people can't get it to operate on dual-band, the thing heats up or it just reboots automatically.

And it just seems like the DIR-655 is so popular that I keep seeing positive comments about it.

But the only thing that draws me back from getting the DIR-655 is because of lack of DD-WRT support.

I'm still considering a few other Linksys routers before really going for the DIR-655. I am thinking of the WRT350N.

Anyone has ever seen a WRT350N on sale before? Anyone has any ideas on its price?