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Old 09-01-2010, 10:16 PM   #1
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Advice/View for course in CEH - Certified Ethical Hacker

Hi,

Would like to hear you guys view about the course in CEH - Certified Ethical Hacker

Is it feasible to obtain such course in Singapore and is it value added to have such cert.

the current path is as follow which i got from on-line
* Certified Ethical Hacker (CEH)
* Computer Hacking Forensic Investigator (CHFI)
* EC-Council Certified Security Analyst (ECSA)

Many thanks
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Old 16-01-2010, 02:02 AM   #2
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Frankly, do it for the knowledge. Whether or not this cert adds credit to your CV or not, only a little, and only for junior IT security positions.
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Old 20-01-2010, 01:54 PM   #3
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Hi Ghostie,

Thanks for yr input.
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Old 11-02-2010, 10:49 PM   #4
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Hello all,

Can i ask is there any other courses that one should take before CEH? mainly for beginners who are interested in this line?

many thanks =)
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:47 AM   #5
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To all who still got questions, I will agree with what Ghostie wrote.
or you can look at what i replied here.
CEH

@gforcexp: Are you studying IT or CS in Poly or Diploma? If not, you would really need to do a lot reading and searching on Google b4 you can understand the basics.

But if my answers are not clear enuff. Feel free to ask more here. I'm sure there are more people out here who can offer valuable advice.
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Old 13-02-2010, 10:52 AM   #6
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I got a dip in Computer Engineering in Poly. Learnt a basic for IT Security and hacking tools. but i find them really basic.

To all who still got questions, I will agree with what Ghostie wrote.
or you can look at what i replied here.
CEH

@gforcexp: Are you studying IT or CS in Poly or Diploma? If not, you would really need to do a lot reading and searching on Google b4 you can understand the basics.

But if my answers are not clear enuff. Feel free to ask more here. I'm sure there are more people out here who can offer valuable advice.
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Old 13-02-2010, 11:48 AM   #7
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Likewise, the contents in CEH will be basic too.

It emphasize more on the tools they used for pen-testing.
Using such tools is just like development, we improved through practice.

Maybe in another few more weeks or months, i will start a blog with a few others teaching all the basics of IT Security if there is demand here locally.

But what are you interested in? IT Security is a very broad area.
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Old 13-02-2010, 01:54 PM   #8
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Erm, my interest in actually in hacking. Maybe a Ethical hacker?


Likewise, the contents in CEH will be basic too.

It emphasize more on the tools they used for pen-testing.
Using such tools is just like development, we improved through practice.

Maybe in another few more weeks or months, i will start a blog with a few others teaching all the basics of IT Security if there is demand here locally.

But what are you interested in? IT Security is a very broad area.
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Old 13-02-2010, 01:57 PM   #9
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actually i am still very noobish on IT Security.

Maybe you can enlightening me on what are the few areas in security market nowdays?
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Old 13-02-2010, 04:19 PM   #10
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actually i am still very noobish on IT Security.

Maybe you can enlightening me on what are the few areas in security market nowdays?
I can't tell you which path to take but i can tell you what are the jobs available locally.
The IT security market in overseas is different.

I'm not even sure what they teach you in Poly or Uni nowadays but my stand is still the same for anyone that i teach.
"Get Your Fundamentals Right"

Learn Safe Coding if you are into development or source code auditing like i do.
These are specialised jobs but you won't regret it cos these jobs pays higher but if something cocks up...you're the first person the fingers will point to.

Penetration Testing, as more and more companies put the information up in the internet and intranet...etc... there is a need to hire pentesters to do all the dirty work in case the system administrators missed out something that could lead to loopholes in the entire systems. It's not an easy job, you could make a lot of enemies if you are not friendly or tactful. Banks hire these people too and Banks pay quite well.

The rest are classified as niche market imho, jobs which require you to be either lucky and chance upon it or referred by friends. As these positions are very few.

Last advice, look through your past notes and ask yourself these questions:
"Do i really understand them thoroughly enough?"
"Are my self developed applications so good that they are free from bugs?"
if you answered "NO" to any of these 2, Post your questions here again if i'm available.

What they teach in schools are just touching the surface of everything.
If you ever got ideas for anything, write it down.
Remember this, "Ideas Are Premium"
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Old 13-02-2010, 05:08 PM   #11
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ah i see, right now i wouldnt say i understand what i learnt in poly thoroughly, if not means my result is ACEs =) but my interest will be alone IT Security line for sure. Am looking at Pen Testing. But what are the basics to that area? cause i am in NS now but i wish to borrow some books and do some self-reading but i got no idea where to start =(

I can't tell you which path to take but i can tell you what are the jobs available locally.
The IT security market in overseas is different.

I'm not even sure what they teach you in Poly or Uni nowadays but my stand is still the same for anyone that i teach.
"Get Your Fundamentals Right"

Learn Safe Coding if you are into development or source code auditing like i do.
These are specialised jobs but you won't regret it cos these jobs pays higher but if something cocks up...you're the first person the fingers will point to.

Penetration Testing, as more and more companies put the information up in the internet and intranet...etc... there is a need to hire pentesters to do all the dirty work in case the system administrators missed out something that could lead to loopholes in the entire systems. It's not an easy job, you could make a lot of enemies if you are not friendly or tactful. Banks hire these people too and Banks pay quite well.

The rest are classified as niche market imho, jobs which require you to be either lucky and chance upon it or referred by friends. As these positions are very few.

Last advice, look through your past notes and ask yourself these questions:
"Do i really understand them thoroughly enough?"
"Are my self developed applications so good that they are free from bugs?"
if you answered "NO" to any of these 2, Post your questions here again if i'm available.

What they teach in schools are just touching the surface of everything.
If you ever got ideas for anything, write it down.
Remember this, "Ideas Are Premium"
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Old 14-02-2010, 11:31 PM   #12
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dont focus too deeply in any area as u may not noe what will happen when u ORD, after ur degree etc... just do whategver that is related...

When we talk about IT security, your level must be higher than the average IT pros. Not saying anyone, but linux, cisco, development, web tech, windows core server admin must be at ur finger tips. Thats when u are ready to come into this IT line.

I remember when i was in SP, i finished reading all the books on linux/windows security available. but ur studies still important
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Old 15-02-2010, 12:12 AM   #13
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I tend to agree with omgwtfno and a bit of what sAVaGEmP5 wrote.
In Singapore, the situation is a bit different and you do need to know a bit of everything else.

But in USA and Europe, the experts do not necessarily know everything as well.
Both places have jobs that are so specialised that they may not know everything.

Studies are very important, once you started working, you will tend to realise how impt those lessons on networking, programming, blah blah are integral to your job. And you will unlock the mystery on why is there limit to stuff and how u can raise the limit by tweaking it and so on.

Isn't great to see so many people back on IT Security SIG offering advice.
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Old 15-02-2010, 08:14 AM   #14
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Hi, thanks for the advice.

I understand where you are coming from, IT is forever changing and changing fast!! Will try to read widely and no just on IT security.

But any books to recommand for a beginner? cause i tried to read some books from library but i didnt quite understand them.

dont focus too deeply in any area as u may not noe what will happen when u ORD, after ur degree etc... just do whategver that is related...

When we talk about IT security, your level must be higher than the average IT pros. Not saying anyone, but linux, cisco, development, web tech, windows core server admin must be at ur finger tips. Thats when u are ready to come into this IT line.

I remember when i was in SP, i finished reading all the books on linux/windows security available. but ur studies still important
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Old 15-02-2010, 08:09 PM   #15
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That will be dangerous... if u can't understand what the books says. It means ur fundamentals isn't there...

Seriously IT security isn't changing. All the while we've been talking about stuff like passwords, networks, proper access and safe coding etc etc ...
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