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Old 10-03-2015, 09:26 PM   #16
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Of course ida package is more attractive.

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Old 16-03-2015, 03:58 PM   #17
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Of course ida la, even it's head is an amdk right?

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Old 14-03-2017, 09:19 AM   #18
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When person A join end user, person A understand the business flow. Those work longer than person A in the same company, will understand the business flow better than person A. When person A change job, the business work flow will vary between different end user companies. Even if Companies are using framework, there are more than 1 framework. Even Companies using same framework, those small details tend to be overwritten by X reasons and their culture.

When it come to new assignment or project, end user did have an end to end process. Vendor will be the one for deployment. End user will supervise.

Do you think SI just aware of a small part of the big picture and not understanding what is happening?

It is obvious that this reply came from someone who is experienced with SI and End user environments
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Old 20-04-2017, 02:44 PM   #19
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For Fresh Grad, I would NOT advise working in IDA. This is my experience comin from multiple IT Vendor and End User Environment.

No doubt IDA is a major IT govt agency, it does not however lend you the necessary industry, technical and real-world IT experience. In short, you cannot get mileage and exposure out of IDA. You can only become a minuscule part of a big big bureaucratic process. The longer you stay, the more Ivory Tower you might become. Also without experience you cannot progress within IDA. And when you do look for jobs outside of IDA, employers will simply cite your lack of actual IT Experience. This is when you realize all that Helicopter Views you had in IDA are irrelevant in the real commercial IT world, where Skills-First and Netowork Relationships matter a lot.

For NCS, being in a vendor environment would definately give you a well-rounded exposure as an IT Service Provider. You will know real-world IT and whats it like to "Making IT Happen". The project delivery experience and networking opportunities with Distributors, Principals and Service Provider are crucial and very beneficial to helping you understand what real-world IT is all about.

So do you want to become an IT Industry Veteran, or do you want to be a Civil Servant? U decide.

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Old 03-05-2017, 06:59 AM   #20
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For Fresh Grad, I would NOT advise working in IDA. This is my experience comin from multiple IT Vendor and End User Environment.

No doubt IDA is a major IT govt agency, it does not however lend you the necessary industry, technical and real-world IT experience. In short, you cannot get mileage and exposure out of IDA. You can only become a minuscule part of a big big bureaucratic process. The longer you stay, the more Ivory Tower you might become. Also without experience you cannot progress within IDA. And when you do look for jobs outside of IDA, employers will simply cite your lack of actual IT Experience. This is when you realize all that Helicopter Views you had in IDA are irrelevant in the real commercial IT world, where Skills-First and Netowork Relationships matter a lot.

For NCS, being in a vendor environment would definately give you a well-rounded exposure as an IT Service Provider. You will know real-world IT and whats it like to "Making IT Happen". The project delivery experience and networking opportunities with Distributors, Principals and Service Provider are crucial and very beneficial to helping you understand what real-world IT is all about.

So do you want to become an IT Industry Veteran, or do you want to be a Civil Servant? U decide.

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2nd on this opinion. Having working for more than a decade in the SI environment and dealing with numerous EUs from various enterprises between the private and public sectors, including IDA, I can tell you you will learn a lot more from the vendor perspective.

There is a reason why the SI environment is more hectic, because SI get the work done, and SI need to comply with industrial and customer requirements, and a lot of time you will really get a good laugh over some customers' requirements, with a good pack of frustration of course.

That is not the say EU is a bad place, but you have to know what you are pursuing in your career and how long do you intend to stay at what level doing what.

If technical skill set if what you are pursuing, the EU will be the least favourable choice. You will want to be thrown into the fire when you are younger compared to when you are older. You will also want to have a taste of the difficulties and pitfalls and caveats of the IT industry when dealing with clients before you transcend to be one yourself managing the vendors. You need to learn what to expect from the vendors how to size them up. The best way to learn that is to be one yourself.

There are always ample time for one to get involved with the bureaucratic mess, but there is only limited window in your career where you can make significant sacrifices in terms of health, time and effort to go beyond the call of duty to learn.

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