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Old 13-02-2018, 09:18 PM   #46
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Not necessarily. Mine got upgraded

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so did u get promoted faster?
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Old 13-02-2018, 09:47 PM   #47
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performance and potential are 2 diff things.

u can have person A with lower CEP, performing well and get good performance grade.

Person B performs averagely but has higher CEP.

Person B gets promoted faster.
ya but you see the irony here? perform average but likely to have a higher rank than person A who is performing well?

shouldn't performance be linked to potential? dn tell me just because you have huge potential you could afford to slack off, not perform and get a higher rank. where is the logic in this?
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Old 13-02-2018, 10:03 PM   #48
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ya but you see the irony here? perform average but likely to have a higher rank than person A who is performing well?

shouldn't performance be linked to potential? dn tell me just because you have huge potential you could afford to slack off, not perform and get a higher rank. where is the logic in this?
its not abt slacking off. i mentioned "perform averagely". of course if u slack and perform poorly, u will not get promoted lah.
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Old 13-02-2018, 10:18 PM   #49
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ya but you see the irony here? perform average but likely to have a higher rank than person A who is performing well?

shouldn't performance be linked to potential? dn tell me just because you have huge potential you could afford to slack off, not perform and get a higher rank. where is the logic in this?
people with higher potential are normally doing more difficult work beyond their expected level...if you perform well at what you are meant to do then you get a good performance grade...but it does not necessarily mean you are able to take on higher responsibilities and more difficult roles....but doing well at your job generally will over time earn you opportunities to test yourself out at higher levels...

a person performing average at a difficult role is always judge better than a person performing well at a simple role...because this person is growing, developing and becoming more capable especially if they can overcome the difficulties over time....making mistakes and suffering failures is a necessary path to success....

and at some point it is all about whether you are able to manage relationships well and make people work as a team to achieve a common goal....good leaders are hard to find...its not really about how smart or capable you are...more like how you are able to convince other people to follow your lead to do things and achieve difficult goals...easier said than done really...most people have limited capabilities to lead other...
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Old 13-02-2018, 10:23 PM   #50
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people with higher potential are normally doing more difficult work beyond their expected level...if you perform well at what you are meant to do then you get a good performance grade...but it does not necessarily mean you are able to take on higher responsibilities and more difficult roles....but doing well at your job generally will over time earn you opportunities to test yourself out at higher levels...

a person performing average at a difficult role is always judge better than a person performing well at a simple role...because this person is growing, developing and becoming more capable especially if they can overcome the difficulties over time....making mistakes and suffering failures is a necessary path to success....

and at some point it is all about whether you are able to manage relationships well and make people work as a team to achieve a common goal....good leaders are hard to find...its not really about how smart or capable you are...more like how you are able to convince other people to follow your lead to do things and achieve difficult goals...easier said than done really...most people have limited capabilities to lead other...
ya which brings back the point that good performances should ultimately have a factor on your CEP. in fact, performance and potential should be interlinked. Persistent good performances should mean a high potential in an individual which leads to a higher CEP.
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Old 13-02-2018, 10:23 PM   #51
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people with higher potential are normally doing more difficult work beyond their expected level...if you perform well at what you are meant to do then you get a good performance grade...but it does not necessarily mean you are able to take on higher responsibilities and more difficult roles....but doing well at your job generally will over time earn you opportunities to test yourself out at higher levels...

a person performing average at a difficult role is always judge better than a person performing well at a simple role...because this person is growing, developing and becoming more capable especially if they can overcome the difficulties over time....making mistakes and suffering failures is a necessary path to success....

and at some point it is all about whether you are able to manage relationships well and make people work as a team to achieve a common goal....good leaders are hard to find...its not really about how smart or capable you are...more like how you are able to convince other people to follow your lead to do things and achieve difficult goals...easier said than done really...most people have limited capabilities to lead other...
chiu ish skolar working inside civil service?
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Old 13-02-2018, 10:28 PM   #52
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ya which brings back the point that good performances should ultimately have a factor on your CEP. in fact, performance and potential should be interlinked. Persistent good performances should mean a high potential in an individual which leads to a higher CEP.
its linked la...good performers will not have bad CEP one...its just the limit of some people capabilities will become clear over time...they will continue to be good at what they do but they cant progress any higher...and its almost always because they are not good at leading other people...
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Old 13-02-2018, 10:30 PM   #53
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its linked la...good performers will not have bad CEP one...its just the limit of some people capabilities will become clear over time...they will continue to be good at what they do but they cant progress any higher...and its almost always because they are not good at leading other people...
ahhh i see. that i do agreed. if you can't lead people, there's only that much you can move up the ladder.
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Old 13-02-2018, 10:30 PM   #54
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chiu ish skolar working inside civil service?
no la just normal worker...scholars will come come to forum to chit chat meh...hahaa
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Old 13-02-2018, 10:32 PM   #55
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its linked la...good performers will not have bad CEP one...its just the limit of some people capabilities will become clear over time...they will continue to be good at what they do but they cant progress any higher...and its almost always because they are not good at leading other people...
i still think that potential and performance are 2 diff things and cannot interlink. they are mutually exclusive.
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Old 13-02-2018, 10:35 PM   #56
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ahhh i see. that i do agreed. if you can't lead people, there's only that much you can move up the ladder.
another reason why some capable people cant move up is because they cant manage relationships with their colleagues/counterparts well or simply refuse to suck up to their bosses....but then at the end of the day if you are dragon or phoenix no one can hold you back one la...the truth is in civil service there are not so many talent la...capable people generally do not like to deal with bureaucracy...
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Old 13-02-2018, 10:45 PM   #57
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i still think that potential and performance are 2 diff things and cannot interlink. they are mutually exclusive.
maybe... but performance will always influence your judgement about a person's potential....over time we generally feel more optimistic (rightly or wrongly) about someone who has been performing well...and honestly majority of people in workplace will not have sufficient foresight to identify and recognise potential/talent...
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Old 13-02-2018, 10:49 PM   #58
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cep=current estimated potential
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Old 13-02-2018, 10:50 PM   #59
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Give you a football analogy - doesn’t mean you can score 50 goals in the S - league means you can score the same number of goals in EPL.

Look at dwight gayle from Newcastle. He scored so many goals in the championship but now in the epl he is struggling. Shows that his cep is cap at championship.
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Old 13-02-2018, 11:07 PM   #60
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Give you a football analogy - doesn’t mean you can score 50 goals in the S - league means you can score the same number of goals in EPL.

Look at dwight gayle from Newcastle. He scored so many goals in the championship but now in the epl he is struggling. Shows that his cep is cap at championship.
yeah. reminds me of wayne rooney. when he first played for everton, u know that his CEP is gonna be damn high. after join utd, he became the club's all time top scorer. if he stays at everton, I dun tink he can reach where he is rite now. he was given the chance to join a bigger club (promoted) given his high potential and hence he perform well (scoring lots of goals and become the club top scorer of all time)

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