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Old 14-09-2017, 03:21 PM   #1
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Question Buying/Building PC help!! Complete noob D:

Hey guys,

I've been looking to upgrade my gaming set up for quite a long time now, since January. I've been travelling quite frequently and thus had previously relied on a gaming laptop, but now that I've more or less returned permanently to Singapore, I'm looking to get a more permanent set up.

The space in my room where I want to set up the desktop is relatively small/cramped (20cm x 30cm, may be longer than 30cm, if it is thinner than 15cm, height is not really a concern), as such I am very restricted with the size of the PC and have been looking towards more compact solutions. I realise that the space constraint will also affect the cooling solutions available.

I am looking towards an i7-700(k?), GTX1080 (ti?), 16/32gb ram, 256/512 SSD (M.2?), 2TB HDD set up. (preferably with liquid cooling because of the confined space that it will be placed in)

I found the Corsair One Pro to be most suitable, but since February until now, I have been unable to find any availability/stock for decent prices.
(sorry unable to post links as I have insufficient posts, but should be relatively easy to find)

I also saw the Dreamcore One at the recent IT show I went to.

(sorry unable to post links as insufficient posts, but should be relatively easy to find)

I may also consider the Acer Predator G1.

(sorry unable to post links as insufficient posts, but should be relatively easy to find)

At the moment, I am very unsure whether or not I should go for the i7 7700, or i7 7700k, whether GTX1070 is sufficient, or should if I go for GTX1080 or even GTX1080ti, whether SSD Sata is fast enough or if I should go for an M.2.

I will most likely have a dual monitor set up, and use the pc for some heavy gaming, but at the same time I need to run several programs (primarily used for trading/video editing), my budget is around 2.5-3.5k, and these three product options definitely fit my requirements, the corsair with higher specs available together with liquid cooling, however at much higher costs, and the need to pay for shipping/import taxes, while the dreamcore is available with a much smaller form factor, but at the cost of lower specs and traditional cooling(heard that the fan can be quite noisy/whiny). The Acer predator seems viable as well, but I have not heard great reviews, and it seems a bit pricey for what you're getting.

What do you guys think? Or do you think I should be able to build one myself, and if so what parts(especially which tower)/shops would you recommend?
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Old 14-09-2017, 03:55 PM   #2
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1. Build it urself will be cheaper/ provides u with better parts as compared to prebuilt. However u would need to diagnose things urself, or bring it down to SLS to have someone look into it for you (please don't go to India shops for repair purpose unless u Want to be chopped for everything and change parts which u don't need to)

2. Dual monitor set up, whats the resolution and refresh rate? Both same monitor? Or one main one for gaming and the other is just a side monitor to browse or twitch during gameplay?

3. What are the game titles that u are/ intend to play?
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Old 14-09-2017, 04:59 PM   #3
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1. Build it urself will be cheaper/ provides u with better parts as compared to prebuilt. However u would need to diagnose things urself, or bring it down to SLS to have someone look into it for you (please don't go to India shops for repair purpose unless u Want to be chopped for everything and change parts which u don't need to)

2. Dual monitor set up, whats the resolution and refresh rate? Both same monitor? Or one main one for gaming and the other is just a side monitor to browse or twitch during gameplay?

3. What are the game titles that u are/ intend to play?

1)Thanks for your reply, I actually have never built a PC before, and thus am very new to everything and worried I might screw it up.

2) I will intend to use one main one for gaming, and a side monitor to browse and monitor other applications, I have yet to decide on a monitor so I am unsure of the resolution/refresh rate.

3) At the moment I only play games like Dota 2, CSGO, Starcraft 2, Overwatch, PUBG, Path of Exile, but I am looking into playing other game titles like Witcher, Farcry, and Fallout
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Old 14-09-2017, 05:03 PM   #4
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Bad time to build a pc. Seriously.

If you're willing to learn to DIY, then look up for Fractal Design Node 202 build on YouTube. Spec wise, if can wait, wait for Intel 8th Gen Coffee Lake processors. If cannot wait, look up for AMD Ryzen.

If you don't think you have the leisure/time/interest to DIY and you just want a gaming setup and not too bothered about specs, look up for Aftershock Impulse V1 or Dreamcore.

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Old 14-09-2017, 06:06 PM   #5
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No space but can accommodate 2 monitors??
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Old 14-09-2017, 06:17 PM   #6
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Bad time to build a pc. Seriously.

If you're willing to learn to DIY, then look up for Fractal Design Node 202 build on YouTube. Spec wise, if can wait, wait for Intel 8th Gen Coffee Lake processors. If cannot wait, look up for AMD Ryzen.

If you don't think you have the leisure/time/interest to DIY and you just want a gaming setup and not too bothered about specs, look up for Aftershock Impulse V1 or Dreamcore.
Hey thanks for the reply.

I dont mind learning DIY, but I feel that cooling may be an issue for the smaller case designs (like with the aftershock or dreamcore) and from checking the Fractal Design node, it seems like it will encounter similar issues, is it possible to have liquid cooling with it?
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Old 14-09-2017, 06:18 PM   #7
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No space but can accommodate 2 monitors??
Hi,

Yes because I will need to place the desktop on my desk, so there will be very limited space as I intend to use two monitors
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Old 14-09-2017, 06:28 PM   #8
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You got the wrong idea about liquid cooling. Just because it's liquid cooling, doesn't mean it's definitely better than air cooled. It's just that liquid cooling takes longer to achieve thermal equilibrium where as air cooled is faster so it hit temp limit earlier. Run an AIO under stress for an hour or two, you will hit the thermal limit with the same max temp as an equivalent air cooler.

Same thing, a good air cooler like Cryorig R1, would outperform most 120mm aio and even some of the 240mm aio.

Also another thing to consider using liquid cooling, is that the pump will weaken or fail over time, so you have to care for both pump and fans for the radiator. Creating one more potential failure point for your rig.

Thermal wise depends on your CPU and how high you are going to overclock it.

Really really take consideration to wait Intel Coffee Lake. It is not the best time to build now.

Thermal issue is see what case you choose and how well you balance your system overall.

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Graphics Card
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Memory
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Display
Aftershock Prism+ Z270 (1440p, 60Hz, 5ms GTG, VA Panel)
Storage
Crucial MX300 750GB
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Old 14-09-2017, 06:29 PM   #9
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Then do not go for nice case, get a good air flow mid tower case and put it under the desk.
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Memory
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Old 14-09-2017, 06:44 PM   #10
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Then do not go for nice case, get a good air flow mid tower case and put it under the desk.
Tbh I am not looking for the nicest case. I am looking for a small sized one that wont take too much space on my desk, will be able support the specs I am looking for while regulating temperatures effectively, and wont collect too much dust/dirt (as with the open design on the dreamcore).

I do not have space under my desk for a mid tower, as I have already placed a bunch of stuff (e.g. subwoofer) as I was previously using a laptop.

I welcome your advice, but it would be great if it could be more constructive, thanks!

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You got the wrong idea about liquid cooling. Just because it's liquid cooling, doesn't mean it's definitely better than air cooled. It's just that liquid cooling takes longer to achieve thermal equilibrium where as air cooled is faster so it hit temp limit earlier. Run an AIO under stress for an hour or two, you will hit the thermal limit with the same max temp as an equivalent air cooler.

Same thing, a good air cooler like Cryorig R1, would outperform most 120mm aio and even some of the 240mm aio.

Also another thing to consider using liquid cooling, is that the pump will weaken or fail over time, so you have to care for both pump and fans for the radiator. Creating one more potential failure point for your rig.

Thermal wise depends on your CPU and how high you are going to overclock it.

Really really take consideration to wait Intel Coffee Lake. It is not the best time to build now.

Thermal issue is see what case you choose and how well you balance your system overall.
It seems like you really know what you're doing/talking about. Do you think that the Corsair is not a good buy? I heard from a few people that it is only around 200 dollars more expensive than if I were to build a PC with the same components.

If I were to build a PC, you suggest waiting for Intel Coffee Lake, do you know how long the wait is? Like I assume I have to wait a while for the release, then longer for the arrival in Singapore, then even longer for the prices to stabilise/drop? I could be wrong of course, but any idea on the wait time, especially since I've been planning on getting a desktop since the beginning of the year, feels like I've waited very long already!
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Old 14-09-2017, 07:03 PM   #12
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For AIOs, u would have to look at it from a few points

-Radiator size
120vs240vs360, obviously the bigger it is, the better the cooling performance. However don't expect to fall below ambient temp. It's NOT possible.

-Radiator thickness
AKA fin density. The higher the density, usually it means greater cooling performance. However u would need to necessary fan paired along with it, in order to drive the heat out of the radiator. No point having the thickest radiator there is on the market but ur fans are unable to dissipate the heat

-Pump speed
Pump too slow, heat transfer too slowly around the loop, too fast, heat is unable to dissipate through radiator efficiently. Be aware of the type of pump u get in the AIO

-Pump noise
One of the main reasons why people complain AIOs are noisy, is attributed to pump noise. Experience it to know it, period. It's like an engine inside a case.

-Fan noise
Secondary reason why people complain AIOs are noisy. Pump tends to get noticeably louder when the rpm is cranked up, but so do the fans.

-Airflow of case
Any blockage in the case for intake / exhaust? This pairs along with the fin density, if u are already unable to dissipate heat properly through the radiator, poor airflow would worsen the issue

It seems like you really know what you're doing/talking about. Do you think that the Corsair is not a good buy? I heard from a few people that it is only around 200 dollars more expensive than if I were to build a PC with the same components.

If I were to build a PC, you suggest waiting for Intel Coffee Lake, do you know how long the wait is? Like I assume I have to wait a while for the release, then longer for the arrival in Singapore, then even longer for the prices to stabilise/drop? I could be wrong of course, but any idea on the wait time, especially since I've been planning on getting a desktop since the beginning of the year, feels like I've waited very long already!
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Brand wise, very generic, as there are a lot of models under corsair
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Graphics Card
GTX 1080ti MSI Gaming X 11GB (LC)
Memory
32GB Corsair Vengence 3200Mhz (2x16GB)
Display
ASUS MX27AQ BenQ XL2420T
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Old 14-09-2017, 07:53 PM   #14
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Tbh I am not looking for the nicest case. I am looking for a small sized one that wont take too much space on my desk, will be able support the specs I am looking for while regulating temperatures effectively, and wont collect too much dust/dirt (as with the open design on the dreamcore).

I do not have space under my desk for a mid tower, as I have already placed a bunch of stuff (e.g. subwoofer) as I was previously using a laptop.

I welcome your advice, but it would be great if it could be more constructive, thanks!
How the hell is it not constructive? Did you mention you have a bunch of stuff under your desk,duh? Bring your attitude elsewhere, smartie!

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Display
Qnix 2710 DP Multi True@85Hz
Storage
Samsung 850 Evo 250GB | Toshiba 7200rpm 2Tb Hdd | Crucial MX300 750GB
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Corsair 400C white
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How the hell is it not constructive? Did you mention you have a bunch of stuff under your desk,duh? Bring your attitude elsewhere, smartie!
Sorry, I did not mean to offend you, what I meant was, I was just asking for a help/advice about a desktop with small footprint, but it seemed like you were just looking to prove that I do not need a desktop with a small footprint (asking about no space for desktop but space for two monitors, then telling me to just get a bigger desktop and put it under the table)

But if you were genuinely trying to advise me with your comments then I apologise, I am trying to get help with finding a setup that would suit my needs, not trying to start a fight or anything
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