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Old 15-12-2016, 07:36 AM   #31
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IGPU is good to have but not necessary for an enthusiast chip. But it will be great to see an APU with this CPU and a Polaris GPU.
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Old 15-12-2016, 08:06 AM   #32
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"To that extent, at the pre-briefing, Ryan was shown two systems running Titan X graphics cards in SLI and Battlefield 1 at 4K settings - one system was running Ryzen, and the other an i7-6900K (the 8-core Broadwell-E chip). Ryan was unable to determine an obvious visual difference between the two frame-rate wise, which was the point of the demo."

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Good. On par with a 6900k. Not bad.
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Old 15-12-2016, 09:48 AM   #33
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Intel 6900K is a Broadwell-E part, with 8 cores and 16 threads. High end stuff I would say. The demo is more towards high end users. For most of us mainstream users, we should be looking at the 4 or even 2 core versions.

Looking good but I will keep my fingers crossed until we see real reviews from end products.
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Old 15-12-2016, 12:43 PM   #36
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Human eyes can't see above 30fps
Any scientific documents to prove it?

And i think this statement is pretty much irrelevant for the CPU...
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Old 15-12-2016, 12:46 PM   #37
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Any scientific documents to prove it?

And i think this statement is pretty much irrelevant for the CPU...
Still don't get it...? Then let me try unsarcasmized English

"Ryan was unable to determine an obvious visual difference between the two frame-rate wise, which was the point of the demo."

This implies:
1. There may be non-obvious visual difference
2. There may be non-visual difference

For example, 90fps vs 120fps is non-visual

In practice this will not be visible difference. But are the two products on par?

Statements like that is akin to "you can't see difference between iPhone DPI and Samsung DPI, 1080 vs 2160, and 30fps vs whatever"

Now, since no numbers were shown, it could go both ways. But logically, if it was in AMd's favor, what would you think they would have done?
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Old 15-12-2016, 01:05 PM   #39
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Despite I am the only few surviving AMD users.
I rather wait till the official release and see what experts
say about the new Zen.
These live test I remain a skeptic cuz it is very hard to believe
or tell which is faster.

However I will still waiting for Zen cuz pretty much of my Phenom rigs
is waiting for an upgrade.
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Old 15-12-2016, 02:09 PM   #40
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What's there not to like?
Ryzen @3.4ghz without boost against i7-6900k @3.2 with 3.7ghz boost was head to head with the blender test and won in handbrake.

"The RYZEN CPU was able to finish the task in 35.57 seconds, while the 6900K was able to do it in 36.01 seconds, roughly half a second more or what’s equivalent to 1.3%. For a 95W CPU going up against a 140W chip this is impressive."

"For this demo again, two identically specced machines were used. One with an 8 core 16 thread RYZEN CPU running at 3.4Ghz and one with an Intel Core i7 6900K. Both PCs were tasked with transcoding the RYZEN announcement video. This is an extremely CPU intensive workload and all 8 cores and 16 threads of both chips were pegged at 100% usage the whole time. The 6900K finished the task in 59 seconds, whilst RYZEN did it in 54 seconds. Five seconds faster, or what’s roughly equivalent to 10%."



They use a 6900K because it's just running on 3.2Ghz and the same 8/16 configuration. If it compare to a 6700K, Ryzen might not perform as well since 6700K have higher clock speed.
"The RYZEN and i7 6900K machines passed with flying colors. The gameplay was smooth and the stream had no dropped frames what so ever. The i7 6700K, even at 4.5Ghz, ran the game just fine but struggled to actually stream the gameplay. Nearly every other frame was being dropped. It genuinely looked like a fast-forwarded slide-show."



Still don't get it...? Then let me try unsarcasmized English

"Ryan was unable to determine an obvious visual difference between the two frame-rate wise, which was the point of the demo."

This implies:
1. There may be non-obvious visual difference
2. There may be non-visual difference

For example, 90fps vs 120fps is non-visual

In practice this will not be visible difference. But are the two products on par?

Statements like that is akin to "you can't see difference between iPhone DPI and Samsung DPI, 1080 vs 2160, and 30fps vs whatever"

Now, since no numbers were shown, it could go both ways. But logically, if it was in AMd's favor, what would you think they would have done?

"The demo involved a short real-time playthrough of a Battlefield 1 mission. The same 8 core, 16 thread 3.4Ghz RYZEN chip was put in a head-to-head comparison with Intel’s i7 6900K. A framerate counter at the upper right hand corner of the screen reported the average framerate output of both systems in real-time. RYZEN maintained a small performance lead throughout this demo."
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There we go, that's the kind of reply I look for in a constructive discussion.

Also means the article website I read is probably bias against AMD.
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Old 15-12-2016, 02:26 PM   #42
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For me, it doesn't matter even if Zen is slightly slow than the Intel counterparts, so long as its priced much cheaper. I'm not aiming for TOTL anyway.

For example, if a Zen chip performs 20% slower than a Intel chip, but cost 50% less, then I confirm go for the Zen chip.

But of course, I'll wait for independent reviews first lah before deciding what to buy. My sandy bridge still serving me very well now.
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Actually wad I like about this new RYZEN and even AMD's Zen lineup is not their performance. To be honest, AMD is way too late into the game in terms of performance that even if it beats Intel hands-down, no one's gonna bat more than an eyelid now.

Wad I like instead is AMD (hopefully) making Zen compatible with future chip releases via the common AM4 platform. At least there wont be a problem of having to change motherboard and chip wholesale every 2 generations. Worse still, when the upcoming LGA-3467 Skylake-EP isn't gonna be socket compatible with the HEDT LGA-2066 Skylake-X or mainstream LGA-1151 Kaby Lake, so consumers cant change chips as and when they like.
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Actually wad I like about this new RYZEN and even AMD's Zen lineup is not their performance. To be honest, AMD is way too late into the game in terms of performance that even if it beats Intel hands-down, no one's gonna bat more than an eyelid now.
Top Intel exec expects "short-term disruption" from the Zen launch. Surely, branding halo, support and its strong footing in data center and enterprises will tide them for awhile but the "disruption" they're expecting are likely new shipments.

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2016/12/05/intel-morgan-stanley-encouraged-by-renduchintalas-pragmatic-influence/

Otherwise, there are other various factors that led to the lack of awareness or brand equity on AMD side. Google for an Amd product you know, the first result is probably newegg, amazon or a reviewer site.

Google a product from their competition, ark.intel etc is the top result from proper search engine optimization and public data sheets are readily available.

Not expecting that they it becomes like the Athlon 64 times. But it is at least more optimistic and promising (both render and gaming test with titan XP) than their Vega demo.

Starwars battlefront in space is not something that challenging to render in 4k.
Sad to say, it is just low polygon count and a skybox and performance doesn't scale as well with shader count empirically except for rare cases like Vulkan Doom.
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Old 15-12-2016, 03:59 PM   #45
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Despite I am the only few surviving AMD users.
I rather wait till the official release and see what experts
say about the new Zen.
These live test I remain a skeptic cuz it is very hard to believe
or tell which is faster.

However I will still waiting for Zen cuz pretty much of my Phenom rigs
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Don't worry, I'm using AMD chips too.
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