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Old 09-04-2017, 08:42 PM   #61
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The R5 1600 has a soldered IHS and runs really cool even when overclocked so any half decent HSF should suffice.

Hey, check out these load temps with just a Zalman HSF

Is that a teaser for potential higher OC headroom beyond 4 GHz?
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The R5 1600 has a soldered IHS and runs really cool even when overclocked so any half decent HSF should suffice.

Hey, check out these load temps with just a Zalman HSF

able to get hold of 1600x and compare?
if no difference i'll much rather get the 1600 with cooler.
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able to get hold of 1600x and compare?
if no difference i'll much rather get the 1600 with cooler.
I wont even bat an eye on the X series since 3.5-3.6 GHz is more or less an easy target to hit. X series are simply slightly better binned chips. Unless they can clock beyond 4 GHz that the non-X may not.
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If your product is good, you name it R1 people will still buy...
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Old 09-04-2017, 09:42 PM   #65
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Hardocp did a mini "binning" session of R5s.
Might wanna check them out. Otherwise it still exhibits the same traits in voltage/frequency scaling as R7.

Still Summit Ridge/Zeppelin B1 after all.


And maybe weaker IMC as noted in the main post.


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Can do a clock for clock comparison with Intel 6C12T? As in at 3.3 GHz.
Same like asking i7 7700k runs at 4GHz then compare with R7.
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If you use your pc for gaming only....i5 7600k with a hyper 212 is still a better combo.....
I'm a intel supporter but I want AMD to be successful
So Intel will drop price? Don't think this is the case.
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Same like asking i7 7700k runs at 4GHz then compare with R7.
and yet...



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Don't think this is true. Please give me some examples that product is great and name is lame?
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and yet...



That's done repeatedly because there are people out there, perhaps a vocal minority that still don't accept that different products behave differently, have their own strengths and weaknesses. Rather than appreciating the increased consumer choice and tech, the ideology for some is tribe mentality and hope their 'tribe' crushes the opponent (aka fanboying for a corporation). He also has to keep bashing adoredTV to wake those redditors up just like how the scheduler myth was debunked by AMD officially and Pcper, and how some reviewers were getting "death threats".

On topic:
But imo a good comparison will be price based of the
- Intel part+mobo (locked or unlocked)
- vs. Ryzen +mobo at achievable clocks of the process (3.9GHz??).

Than a random fluke memory training (likely 3200++) based OC that is not representative of what's attainable for the majority. Or requires Samsung-B as of late.

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Don't think this is true. Please give me some examples that product is great and name is lame?
Be Quiet lol?
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That's done repeatedly because there are people out there, perhaps a vocal minority that still don't accept that different products behave differently, have their own strengths and weaknesses. Rather than appreciating the increased consumer choice and tech, the ideology for some is tribe mentality and hope their 'tribe' crushes the opponent (aka fanboying for a corporation). He also has to keep bashing adoredTV to wake those redditors up just like how the scheduler myth was debunked by AMD officially and Pcper, and how some reviewers were getting "death threats".

On topic:
But imo a good comparison will be price based of the
- Intel part+mobo (locked or unlocked)
- vs. Ryzen +mobo at achievable clocks of the process (3.9GHz??).

Than a random fluke memory training (likely 3200++) based OC that is not representative of what's attainable for the majority. Or requires Samsung-B as of late.
Too bad the more competitive pricing of these Ryzen 5 doesn't get translated here as many SLS retailers are NOT providing subsidy for CPU+mobo combo. Many combos are simply mobo standalone + CPU standalone pricings. Ryzen 5 1400 + B350 combos can be pricier than Core i5-7400 + B250...
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Too bad the more competitive pricing of these Ryzen 5 doesn't get translated here as many SLS retailers are NOT providing subsidy for CPU+mobo combo. Many combos are simply mobo standalone + CPU standalone pricings. Ryzen 5 1400 + B350 combos can be pricier than Core i5-7400 + B250...
Or you can always wait for the flash sale
Or check if vp is sort of "soak testing" around Q10 sale with their single unit Ryzen listings where you can try sniping.

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Too bad the more competitive pricing of these Ryzen 5 doesn't get translated here as many SLS retailers are NOT providing subsidy for CPU+mobo combo. Many combos are simply mobo standalone + CPU standalone pricings. Ryzen 5 1400 + B350 combos can be pricier than Core i5-7400 + B250...
i checked a few combinations, comparing cpu and boards that are closest or same in price alone.

the lower tiered ryzen 1400 gets almost no discounts. whereas the very cheapest g4560 + board gets $20-30.

ryzen 1600 gets ~$10-20, intel gets ~$40-50

ryzen 1700 gets ~$40, intel gets ~$60-70

the 1700x/1800x vs x99 line is similar, both ~$50-70

this is enough to price ryzen combinations above equivalent intel combinations, when they're supposed to be, and are slightly cheaper alone.

meanwhile

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...se_of_mobo_at/

us microcenter gives $100 usd discount on ryzen 1700 with purchase of motherboard
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Is that a teaser for potential higher OC headroom beyond 4 GHz?
This o'c took just a day+ of tinkering at <1.30V, getting the next mere 100MHz+ will probably take a week+ at >1.4+V...

Think better wait for your show and tell instead, when are you getting yours?
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