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Old 03-02-2017, 09:53 AM   #46
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Chill folks. I think everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. No need to get hard up over this man. The thread don't change my mind about SSD. At the end of the day, it really boils down to individual's preference and needs. AS1 may need more storage and not looking at speed. Nothing wrong with that if it is within his expectations.
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Old 03-02-2017, 09:59 AM   #47
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well no problem.

i do as well. got 500gb and 960gb to play around with. SSD nowadays are affordable. unlike the times where i bought my first SSD Intel X25M 80gb at $375.

people still say i'm crazy.
Yap. Just store. Yolo la.
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:05 AM   #48
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Ssd confirm plus chop wins hdd hands down be it for gaming or business use.

Business usage esp doing Outlook where indexing happens alot... my customers using HDD complains on the sluggish performance..switch to ssd, so much faster.
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Old 20-03-2017, 04:01 PM   #49
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Ssd confirm plus chop wins hdd hands down be it for gaming or business use.
I used to install my Steam games on SSD. Recently moved them to all to HDD. Really can see the difference. on SSD, when moving from stage to stage (or points where the game needs to load from disk), SSD is almost instantaneous. For HDD, u can really see the loading bar and really need to wait and wait.

It becomes very irritating when u jumping ard from areas and u need to load this and load that.
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Old 20-03-2017, 04:57 PM   #50
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My World of Warcraft loading screen went from 3minutes to under 15secs with SSD lol.

Made so much of a difference that i decided to get a 750GB SSD for my other games too.
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Old 20-03-2017, 07:00 PM   #51
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Yes use at home not much difference. Ssd more for mobile use cos it doesn't have moving parts n also boot faster.

I currently have 256ssd n 1tb hdd. Will follow yr config if need more space
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My World of Warcraft loading screen went from 3minutes to under 15secs with SSD lol.

Made so much of a difference that i decided to get a 750GB SSD for my other games too.
Mine like crysis 3, alien isolation, metro etc all boot from hdd. Under 30 secs for sure
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Old 20-03-2017, 07:34 PM   #53
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well no problem.

i do as well. got 500gb and 960gb to play around with. SSD nowadays are affordable. unlike the times where i bought my first SSD Intel X25M 80gb at $375.

people still say i'm crazy.
Moi 1st ssd samsung 830 256GB at slightly above $300. Got a second 830 but 128GB at amazon bf 2012 sale US$69.99 (considered killer deal back then) at about 1.25 sho addicting .

Nowadays a 850 pro with 10 year warranty now sitting about at this price range with 1/2 the cost per GB of my 830 256GB with no warranty back then.
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Old 20-03-2017, 09:44 PM   #54
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Speed Performance tested (Desktop)

1) using Window defender on win 10 Pro 1607
[Boot fr SSD Plextor PX256M5P]-SATA3
1a) custom scan C: (256GB SSD) 30.6GB in 14min => 36.42MB/s
1b) custom scan D: (4TB HUS HDD) 135GB in 53min => 42.45MB/s
SSD boot---can't see what files is being scanned.


2) using Window Security Essentials on win 7 Ultimate
[Boot fr 4TB HDD HUS 7K4000 partition as 2drives]
2a) custom scan C: (4TB HUS HDD) 135GB in 60min => 37.5MB/s
2b) custom scan Q: (256GB SSD) 30.6GB in 14min => 36.42MB/s
HDD boot---can see what the files/directory/etc is being scanned.



SSD spec as Read 5xxMB/s and Write 5xxMB/s
SSD custom scan speed will be similar if use 850Pro 512GB
while HDD spec as 100MB/s -200MB/s or greater for newer HDD


Suspect Bottleneck in hardware bus transfer?


Added info: HDD (1st partition) Contains ONLY boot OS/ system/program/apps/etc
install programs/files/etc and No video/photo files.
All big video/ photo are in 2nd partition-HDD(DATA area).
FYI: if select Custom scan, it will include all files in that drive to be scanned.

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Agreed boot up is faster using SSD vs HDD.

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Old 20-03-2017, 10:08 PM   #55
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Buying cheapskate SSDs like you do buying cheapskate HDDs. What do you expect? LoL
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Speed Performance tested (Desktop)

1) using Window defender on win 10 Pro 1607
[Boot fr SSD Plextor PX256M5P]-SATA3
1a) custom scan C: (256GB SSD) 30.6GB in 14min => 36.42MB/s
1b) custom scan D: (4TB HUS HDD) 135GB in 53min => 42.45MB/s
SSD boot---can't see what files is being scanned.


2) using Window Security Essentials on win 7 Ultimate
[Boot fr 4TB HDD HUS 7K4000 partition as 2drives]
2a) custom scan C: (4TB HUS HDD) 135GB in 60min => 37.5MB/s
2b) custom scan Q: (256GB SSD) 30.6GB in 14min => 36.42MB/s
HDD boot---can see what the files/directory/etc is being scanned.



SSD spec as Read 5xxMB/s and Write 5xxMB/s
SSD custom scan speed will be similar if use 850Pro 512GB
while HDD spec as 100MB/s -200MB/s or greater for newer HDD


Suspect Bottleneck in hardware bus transfer?



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Agreed boot up is faster using SSD vs HDD.
guessing only, maybe av scans not the entire file but certain parts only (eg starting portion?) - depending on analyst knowing where malware code is commonly found

so if ur hdd is 135gb full, but made of fewer large movie files (example)
vs
ur ssd is 30.6gb full, but made if many many small system files (example)

the av may actually need to do more work scanning & analysing the smaller files in ur ssd...?

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edit:
scratch dat, the limiting rate is probably the av engine's analysis rate
the case where hdd scan rate is higher than ssd scan rate, maybe due to above guessing tat it contains more large movie files (example) tat only got the starting block analyzed & the rest skipped...?
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Old 20-03-2017, 11:17 PM   #57
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Isit easy to install multiple ssd? i have 1 but planning to get another one.
load games with ssd is fast.
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Old 20-03-2017, 11:33 PM   #58
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guessing only, maybe av scans not the entire file but certain parts only (eg starting portion?) - depending on analyst knowing where malware code is commonly found

so if ur hdd is 135gb full, but made of fewer large movie files (example)
vs
ur ssd is 30.6gb full, but made if many many small system files (example)

the av may actually need to do more work scanning & analysing the smaller files in ur ssd...?
Good point actually. Random small files read and write at far different rates compared to sequential copies of large files.

With the probable difference in contents of both drives (OS, applications, many small files) vs. moderate to large sized media files aren't the best ways for drawing comparisons.

It's like comparing an decompression of an application's archive (e.g. graphics driver installation file) vs. an archive containing a thousand photos. Comparatively, the process will be a lot more slower for extracting the former's archive if you compare the relative file sizes.

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Old 20-03-2017, 11:35 PM   #59
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This debate should be move to edmw .
Even a random gpgt post is better than this ssd doesn't make a big diff over hdd nonsense.
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Old 20-03-2017, 11:38 PM   #60
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Good point actually. Random small files read and write at far different rates compared to sequential copies of large files.

With the probable difference in contents of both drives (OS, applications, many small files) vs. moderate to large sized media files aren't the best ways for drawing comparisons.

It's like comparing an decompression of an application's archive (e.g. graphics driver installation file) vs. an archive containing a thousand photos. Comparatively, the process will be a lot more slower if you compare the relative file sizes.
i missed dat in his 2nd comparison, his hdd is actually the boot drive containing system files too
also the scan rates are really all quite close, so guessing the av scanning engine is the limiting rate...
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