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Old 10-05-2005, 05:41 PM   #31
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I'll be interested too if the difference is noticable after the switch.
Price vs Performance difference.

btw...i using supplied cables for my MW550 too.
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Old 10-05-2005, 05:45 PM   #32
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Interested in upgrading? How much are u willing to pay if I provide such service?

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Old 10-05-2005, 05:45 PM   #33
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A rough estimate for a 5.1 speaker.

3 runs of 3m for Left, Center, Right & 2 runs of 5m for Surrounds.

19m x $4/m = $76
5 RCA x $3/pcs = $15

Total material cost will be $91

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Old 10-05-2005, 05:54 PM   #34
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One more thing, just want to point ou that interconnects even more important. Having good speaker cables won't help if interconnects are crappy.
Here is where I disagree. Have you open up both stock interconnect & speaker wire? I did.. both sucks big time. Its basically multi-strand super thin copper wires.

To put things into perpective based on e above observation.. speaker wires does more damage to audio quality.

1. They are normally longer hence signal deteoriation is also higher too.

2. Interconnects carry low voltage while speaker cable is much higher. So the latter carry much higher current & those thin cables will result in higher resistance. Its like driving a 10 wheeler in a narrow country mud track.

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Old 10-05-2005, 05:56 PM   #35
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yo bro.. check ur pm
Replied.

For those interested PM me & I will assess on a case by case basis. Strictly no obligation.

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Old 10-05-2005, 09:53 PM   #36
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my red and black cables not thick enuff...sometimes i listen halfway the right channel no sound becuz the wire come out from the socket....need a better quality and thicker cable
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Old 10-05-2005, 11:42 PM   #37
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my red and black cables not thick enuff...sometimes i listen halfway the right channel no sound becuz the wire come out from the socket....need a better quality and thicker cable
If thickness is your problem. Just cut off e existing bare wire & strip off e jacket. Twist the new bear wire & u r done. But if u want quality then get new cables.

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Old 11-05-2005, 12:41 AM   #38
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below $100 count me in...... i am using the stock cable as well n know nuts on those wires n soldering connectors but wished to improve the quality of my speakers output but if got add in the DIY power connector in xtreme forum is best best
Har? What DIY power connector? U referring to DIY powercord is it? E material cost of a belden shielded powercord is around $2X for a 1m run.

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Old 11-05-2005, 12:47 AM   #39
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i'm more interested in interconnects as the positioning of my amp and cpu doesn't really allow for those off-the-shelves 1-1.5m ones. i need at least about 2m. so now my setup is decent enough except for the crappy 5m long interconnect dug out from my drawer which i bought from SLT years ago...

btw last time there was this very famous belden coaxial installation cable... forgot the number... got a pair diy-ed from someone... walao i almost flipped. from then on i'm really doubtful of diy-ed cables coz human factor is so prevalent (worksmanship) and probably the cable itself... i mean, it's an installation cable and if it was supposed to be so cheap and good, i dun understand why cable makers won't use it and pass it off as premium stuff.

btw yes, i do believe speaker cables make a slightly greater impact than interconnects, though the golden rule still applies... garbage in, garbage out. last time i was very "yim zhim" one... little little thing can hear the difference and will be bothered by it. now, also sian liao... dun really bother too much.

so phil, can recommend something for my interconnect?
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Old 11-05-2005, 01:00 AM   #40
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i'm more interested in interconnects as the positioning of my amp and cpu doesn't really allow for those off-the-shelves 1-1.5m ones. i need at least about 2m. so now my setup is decent enough except for the crappy 5m long interconnect dug out from my drawer which i bought from SLT years ago...

btw last time there was this very famous belden coaxial installation cable... forgot the number... got a pair diy-ed from someone... walao i almost flipped. from then on i'm really doubtful of diy-ed cables coz human factor is so prevalent (worksmanship) and probably the cable itself... i mean, it's an installation cable and if it was supposed to be so cheap and good, i dun understand why cable makers won't use it and pass it off as premium stuff.

btw yes, i do believe speaker cables make a slightly greater impact than interconnects, though the golden rule still applies... garbage in, garbage out. last time i was very "yim zhim" one... little little thing can hear the difference and will be bothered by it. now, also sian liao... dun really bother too much.

so phil, can recommend something for my interconnect?
MM I/C got 1 big fundamental problem which is why I didn't made mine. Remember both ends are those stereo pins which carries 2 channels? It is almost impossible to use coax cables since they r too thick to fit into e connector. Using those 4 cores multi-strand is more feasible in this case.

What is your budget? Maybe I can workout something for u.

I think u r referring to e so-called thousand dollar cable made from Belden 89259. Got a pair of those & they r pretty good. Very clean & tight but not fast enough compared to my Nordost blue heavens.

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Old 11-05-2005, 01:20 AM   #41
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1813A, Paired - 2 Conductors Cabled, Microphone and Musical Instrument Cable.

This fit e bill pretty nicely. Terminate with Canare F series stereo pin would be perfect.

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MM I/C got 1 big fundamental problem which is why I didn't made mine. Remember both ends are those stereo pins which carries 2 channels? It is almost impossible to use coax cables since they r too thick to fit into e connector. Using those 4 cores multi-strand is more feasible in this case.

What is your budget? Maybe I can workout something for u.

I think u r referring to e so-called thousand dollar cable made from Belden 89259. Got a pair of those & they r pretty good. Very clean & tight but not fast enough compared to my Nordost blue heavens.

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that time i tried is not on pc... it's between my cdp to amp so both ends are rca. yah i see the number now i recognise... 89259... clean and tight but a tad too thin and somehow i dun feel any soul from the music which is one of the most important factor to me... as in it sounded as though it's just reproducing sound instead of music.
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1813A, Paired - 2 Conductors Cabled, Microphone and Musical Instrument Cable.

This fit e bill pretty nicely. Terminate with Canare F series stereo pin would be perfect.

Phil
how muchie for a 2m rca to stereo jack interconnect?
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that time i tried is not on pc... it's between my cdp to amp so both ends are rca. yah i see the number now i recognise... 89259... clean and tight but a tad too thin and somehow i dun feel any soul from the music which is one of the most important factor to me... as in it sounded as though it's just reproducing sound instead of music.
Soul?? Are you referring to warmth instead?

Have you managed to reproduce that kind of effect with any particular brand of I/C? Digital stuff r not renounce for such characteristic. LP & tube will suit u well.

how muchie for a 2m rca to stereo jack interconnect?
No idea, I will have to check with my supplier. Let me know your budget first.

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Soul?? Are you referring to warmth instead?

Have you managed to reproduce that kind of effect with any particular brand of I/C? Digital stuff r not renounce for such characteristic. LP & tube will suit u well.



No idea, I will have to check with my supplier. Let me know your budget first.

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hmm... maybe can say that, but not exactly the usual kind of warmth that typical ICs can produce (though differing standards)... there's just something missing... aiya at the end of the day it could just be psychological effect also since while i'm listening i know in my head that IT'S AN INSTALLATION CABLE. but well, sound is subjective. ultimately the listener must feel good.

my budget.............. hmmm... not exceeding $50, possible?
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