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Old 15-07-2017, 11:47 AM   #1921
 
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Really interested in the wide angle camera, but just thinking, is it worth to buy now or wait for news on whether the G6 Plus will be release?
Price will only drop further..but I highly doubt the plus version will go on sale here.

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Old 15-07-2017, 12:49 PM   #1922
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so it turns out FV5 cant do long exposures on the G6, as in after the 1st successful shot it freezes

Frankly doubt this app is going to be G6-ready any time soon so I'm probably going to uninstall it. Quite a shame as it was a great app for my G4.

Good news is, bluetooth shutter works just fine for stock camera app so I can go back to using that for shooting fireworks.
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Old 15-07-2017, 11:11 PM   #1923
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So went to NDP rehearsal today, took position near promontory, just across the road from marina bay financial centre. Similar to last year, using ND 8 filter.

Wide Lens at ISO 50,10s
http://i.imgur.com/NhjAFTS.jpg


Normal Lens at ISO50, 8s
http://i.imgur.com/6UTChU6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/A5ftNnR.jpg


All my shots with the wide lens were sadly underexposed. That f/2.2 aperture is indeed bad for low light


And for comparison the G4 at last year NDP rehearsal
http://i.imgur.com/6KK3IuU.jpg


I... have to say I am disappointed with the G6 here, specifically its image processing.

http://i.imgur.com/IvTvlAc.jpg
See the white 'core' of the firework streaks? Its not a smooth white but theres so much processing artifacts

compare with G4
http://i.imgur.com/L2I6EW0.jpg

100% crop of another G6 shot



Here I'm starting to think LG really made a big mistake by using a smaller sensor and trying to compensate with too much processing.

Now here's the part I do not know: is it only an issue with the Stock app, or is it the raw sensor processing itself? The only other app I can use to take long exposures right now is Open Camera (provided I use manual focus and not autofocus) and its not so easy to test this out.

EDIT:
I think based on my wide angle shots, its a bit hard to tell but they dont seem to have the same artifact problem as the normal lens, not sure could it really be the normal camera's signal processing is having issues.

I have done a practical experiment to examine the camera behaviour:

#1. In dark room, display a long exposure of a fireworks on my monitor, then take a long exposure of it, I used this pic
http://www.9hdw.com/uploads/images/o...20firework.jpg

#2. Play a youtube video of fireworks, then take a long exposure of the youtube video (this will show how the camera handles 'light painting' of bright objects in motion) I used this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTHkM5ZIBHk#t=36.175281

How my G6 handled the experiment (I shot using the same ISO 50, same 8s shutter and with the ND filter attached):

Static fireworks image: http://i.imgur.com/aHfDRzT.jpg

Fireworks video: http://i.imgur.com/Q5CnmNy.jpg

Look at the white portions of both photos. The static image looks fine. The long exposure of the video clip exhibits the same artifacting on the white portions. And yes it happens on all camera apps so definitely not a stock app issue.

I believe theres a threshold somewhere whereby if the shutter speed is too long, this kind of problem crops up (remember it only affects stuff in motion so bright things like car tail lights or fireworks). I tried the video thing again and even 4s exposures hit the issue.

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Old 16-07-2017, 12:24 AM   #1924
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Can't really see on my phone but is it long exposure artifacts? Maybe do a search on the internet
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Old 16-07-2017, 12:42 AM   #1925
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Can't really see on my phone but is it long exposure artifacts? Maybe do a search on the internet
No results found

The reality is, people who're willing to go to the trouble to shoot fireworks would use a real DSLR, not a DSLR wannabe like LG phones... so such scenarios of long exposure fireworks wont be common. Remember since the issue here is occurring on objects in motion, long exposures of static scenery at night wont have artifact problems

dont even talk about artifacts, try and google "LG G6 firework" you wont get a single hit

This is like really ironic cos like i already sold off a huawei P10 plus after being less than satisfied at its camera, turns out the phone that I got as a replacement, i.e this phone also now have its own issues

Wonder if I should just overcome my dislike for curved displays and finally go back to samsung next year lol

im still holding out some hope that someone will try the fireworks experiment and report no artifacting problems, then i can go to service centre and declare that my camera is defective

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Old 17-07-2017, 02:18 AM   #1926
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Do you guys use steady record when video mode? Better to use or without? Pros and cons?
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Old 17-07-2017, 12:46 PM   #1927
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Do you guys use steady record when video mode? Better to use or without? Pros and cons?
thats the electronic image stabilization, but the main camera (not the wide one) already has OIS.

Some people say using both EIS and OIS gives more jelly wobble effect in the video but you have to try it for yourself to see if its a negative
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Old 17-07-2017, 10:38 PM   #1928
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The reality is, people who're willing to go to the trouble to shoot fireworks would use a real DSLR, not a DSLR wannabe like LG phones... so such scenarios of long exposure fireworks wont be common. Remember since the issue here is occurring on objects in motion, long exposures of static scenery at night wont have artifact problems

dont even talk about artifacts, try and google "LG G6 firework" you wont get a single hit

This is like really ironic cos like i already sold off a huawei P10 plus after being less than satisfied at its camera, turns out the phone that I got as a replacement, i.e this phone also now have its own issues

Wonder if I should just overcome my dislike for curved displays and finally go back to samsung next year lol

im still holding out some hope that someone will try the fireworks experiment and report no artifacting problems, then i can go to service centre and declare that my camera is defective
Are those pics taken in RAW? That would be the best way to avoid any post processing anomaly by LG but to DIY afterwards
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Old 17-07-2017, 11:31 PM   #1929
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Are those pics taken in RAW? That would be the best way to avoid any post processing anomaly by LG but to DIY afterwards
theyre jpeg. i dont have lightroom and I think even if I did, the effort to manually process that many photos is too much for me and if I were willing to go that far, would already be using a proper DSLR.

Im still doing further tests via the 'youtube video method' and it seems that at ISO 100 I cant see any noticeable artifacts on the white regions, who knows, it could be an issue with the way the phone does ISO50



Actually this method of taking a long exposure of a fireworks video in a dark room is a good way to trial and error your shutter speed to see how much of a firework burst you want to capture. However It's not a good way to gauge exposure since monitors wouldnt have the same brightness as a real firework.

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Old 17-07-2017, 11:45 PM   #1930
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g6 camera is sucky in low light

plain sucky....
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Old 18-07-2017, 12:03 AM   #1931
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g6 camera is sucky in low light

plain sucky....
It's plain sucky in auto, so use manual mode. If you only use auto, G6 is not for you, you should change phone.
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Old 18-07-2017, 12:07 AM   #1932
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Use manual mode. If you only use auto, G6 is not for you.
I think alot of people don't know

but is still crappy lah... what u need to pump up iso and lower shutter speed...

what? u need a tripod ?

might as well get mirrorless camera

i think the above example of the firework is one of the shitty example of this camera


once I bought the g6.... I really curse..... the G4 is so much better
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Old 18-07-2017, 12:20 AM   #1933
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Any nice genuine leather case for the LG G6?
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Old 18-07-2017, 05:56 AM   #1934
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I think alot of people don't know

but is still crappy lah... what u need to pump up iso and lower shutter speed...

what? u need a tripod ?

might as well get mirrorless camera

i think the above example of the firework is one of the shitty example of this camera


once I bought the g6.... I really curse..... the G4 is so much better
The other way around. Not everytime will need a tripod, depends on condition. As you said, just get mirrorless cam then, don't bother with G6 cam, throw it away, get something which you think got better cam, don't waste time to curse. G6 is a manual camera device, not auto. If you want auto, you chose a wrong device, should use same song or pixel instead.

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Old 18-07-2017, 06:44 AM   #1935
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The other way around. Not everytime will need a tripod, depends on condition. As you said, just get mirrorless cam then, don't bother with G6 cam, throw it away, get something which you think got better cam, don't waste time to curse. G6 is a manual camera device, not auto. If you want auto, you chose a wrong device, should use same song or pixel instead.

What manual bullshiiit...

This is just a normal general consumer smartphone

Cant take good selfies indoor...

The wide angle lens is abit too wide or should i say wrongly placed... Eg. Finger always appear on bottom of photo

The sound is good thats all
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