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Old 07-02-2018, 10:06 AM   #16
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when did u realise u can call the hotline to find out?
I did call the hotline once before posting here to ask if anyone has previous experiences. You can see in the first post I have already stated that.

The NS hotline also cannot tell me a clear answer.
I am not here to ask ppl how to waive or anything like this. At most I will just face the consequences or go DB - whatever, I know i didn't manage the time properly.

I just want some advise and understanding on the situation I am in as the system gone through so much overhaul.

I just want to know if anyone in similar situation - still got charged, and need to go CMPB anot - that is all, because the new MINDEF SMS no longer inform ppl on that.

If it is against the rules then I will just delete the thread. You don't have to be sarcastic throughout.
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Old 08-02-2018, 02:46 PM   #17
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Actually you do 19 out of 20 already.

In fact, last time PTI quietly told us that as long as do about 18 sessions, is considered cleared already.

While the rules may have changed now such that must complete the whole 20 sessions to be considered complete, I think the criteria for charge is lower. Perhaps still at 18 or 19 sessions, since that indicates that u did put in effort to attend and not totally dun attend a single session.

In the event u are still charged, perhaps can still contact your unit commander to request he cancel the charge on mitigation grounds.
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Old 09-02-2018, 12:06 PM   #18
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You will know when you comes back for ICT this year, if have. Normally when ICT is near, CMPB leaves it to the NS Units to charge them la.
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Old 09-02-2018, 04:03 PM   #19
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What I understand is that it is your unit that charge - CMPB just handle that's all.

I don't think my chances are good - because they are really anal with the (given 1 year to complete) policy. No extend by 1-2 days, not even allowed to clear one RT session on a IPT park Friday. I didn't even know the RT extension was removed (used to be able to extend by 2 weeks).

Just suay that the allotted time I have to clear it falls on last week of December- the week all FCC is closed.

I managed to contact my unit, though my OC will try to waive, but chances are slim cause in the higher up eyes, not complete means not complete, doesn't matter 19/20 or not. I don't have a valid reason other than carelessness on my part for not noticing when the FCC closed.

I know that if no choice but to go CMPB - can only hope they honor the "reset" and see this as my first time, instead of my third.
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Old 09-02-2018, 09:54 PM   #20
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What I understand is that it is your unit that charge - CMPB just handle that's all.

I don't think my chances are good - because they are really anal with the (given 1 year to complete) policy. No extend by 1-2 days, not even allowed to clear one RT session on a IPT park Friday. I didn't even know the RT extension was removed (used to be able to extend by 2 weeks).

Just suay that the allotted time I have to clear it falls on last week of December- the week all FCC is closed.

I managed to contact my unit, though my OC will try to waive, but chances are slim cause in the higher up eyes, not complete means not complete, doesn't matter 19/20 or not. I don't have a valid reason other than carelessness on my part for not noticing when the FCC closed.

I know that if no choice but to go CMPB - can only hope they honor the "reset" and see this as my first time, instead of my third.
if the 3rd time dangerous liao. then like that next time u sure wouldn't do it again liao
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Old 09-02-2018, 10:15 PM   #21
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What I understand is that it is your unit that charge - CMPB just handle that's all.

I don't think my chances are good - because they are really anal with the (given 1 year to complete) policy. No extend by 1-2 days, not even allowed to clear one RT session on a IPT park Friday. I didn't even know the RT extension was removed (used to be able to extend by 2 weeks).

Just suay that the allotted time I have to clear it falls on last week of December- the week all FCC is closed.

I managed to contact my unit, though my OC will try to waive, but chances are slim cause in the higher up eyes, not complete means not complete, doesn't matter 19/20 or not. I don't have a valid reason other than carelessness on my part for not noticing when the FCC closed.

I know that if no choice but to go CMPB - can only hope they honor the "reset" and see this as my first time, instead of my third.
This is confusing. Is this your first time or third time? If third time there's really no excuse.
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Old 09-02-2018, 10:43 PM   #22
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This is confusing. Is this your first time or third time? If third time there's really no excuse.
I don't know. I only know that there was a reset of all previous Defaulter charges when they transitioned from 5 station ippt to 3 station ippt.

So if this reset is valid - then it will be the first. Or not it will be 3rd.

Again, no one can give me a clear definition so yea, I am expecting worse case scenario now.
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Old 10-02-2018, 03:46 PM   #23
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I don't know. I only know that there was a reset of all previous Defaulter charges when they transitioned from 5 station ippt to 3 station ippt.

So if this reset is valid - then it will be the first. Or not it will be 3rd.

Again, no one can give me a clear definition so yea, I am expecting worse case scenario now.
If i wasn't wrong, this "reset privilege" was given about 3 years ago. So possibly this is your 3rd time under the window revised regimentation.

And the only person who can give u the clearest definition and your current situation will be your Unit. Do not ask NS hotline for answers but ask them to inform your Unit to contact u.
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Old 11-02-2018, 05:07 AM   #24
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If i wasn't wrong, this "reset privilege" was given about 3 years ago. So possibly this is your 3rd time under the window revised regimentation.

And the only person who can give u the clearest definition and your current situation will be your Unit. Do not ask NS hotline for answers but ask them to inform your Unit to contact u.
My unit also can't give me a clear answer. I only know I defaulted twice during the 5 station Era. In the 3 station Era, this is the first. Is it that difficult to understand? And yes, when they say the criteria to reset is to clear IPPT/RT/IPT back then - I Chiong for that.

Anyway with all this overhaul thing, I don't even know if the reset is honoured or not anymore.

And I accept worst case scenario now.

Can delete the thread now - thanks.
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:25 AM   #25
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My unit also can't give me a clear answer. I only know I defaulted twice during the 5 station Era. In the 3 station Era, this is the first. Is it that difficult to understand? And yes, when they say the criteria to reset is to clear IPPT/RT/IPT back then - I Chiong for that.

Anyway with all this overhaul thing, I don't even know if the reset is honoured or not anymore.

And I accept worst case scenario now.

Can delete the thread now - thanks.
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:22 AM   #26
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IPT - 10 session/year
RT - 20-D sessions/year

Both has 1/2 day svc pay.

your fren is only half right. check NS portal for information instead.
It's the same.

IPT - 10 sessions/year
RT - 20 sessions/2 years

The average is 10 sessions a year.

RT and IPT people are doing the same training together in the FCCs.
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Old 11-02-2018, 02:06 PM   #27
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It's the same.

IPT - 10 sessions/year
RT - 20 sessions/2 years

The average is 10 sessions a year.

RT and IPT people are doing the same training together in the FCCs.
Real story btw, fren of mine ganna charged for IPPT default 5x. Give some c&b sob story and got away with $300 fine. Happens this year
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Real story btw, fren of mine ganna charged for IPPT default 5x. Give some c&b sob story and got away with $300 fine. Happens this year
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Old 14-02-2018, 07:10 AM   #29
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do u have an upcoming ICT? best if u get it handle via unit during ict (by yr co/of/S1) where u can plead leniency with yr 19/20 attendance. (can be waived or just charged with fines).

if handled by cmpb, I can only say good luck

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Old 14-02-2018, 05:02 PM   #30
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I just thought I will update you guys about the status - and hope that those who are in the same situation as me can take the same measure.

My OC updated me that my UNIT decide to waive the charges for making attempts to complete my session.

First, I like to say that NS Portal no longer provide contact number to your UNIT since they remove MyUNIT module.

Your UNIT can consider to waive off charges if you make effort to complete it. You can take the following steps:

- Call the NS hotline -> Tell them that you want to speak to your Unit regarding your RT Defaulter matters. --> Customer support will always say that they don't provide the number -- you ask them to provide you your Camp Contact number instead (like if you from Kranji Camp, ask them for Kranji Camp general number instead of your UNIT contact number in Kranji Camp) They can provide those number.

- When you contact your Camp, tell the person that you would like to speak to your UNIT regarding your RT Defaulter. They will provide you the UNIT number.

- From there, you see if you can get your UNIT POC(point of contact) to direct you to your OC/CO regarding this matter. Because only they can help you.

- Once you get hold of your OC/CO, he will ask you to provide supporting documents why you can't complete. At this point, it is really see if your OC/CO is garrang or compassionate. I was fortunate that my CO was compassionate. If you don't have supporting documents, you better have a good excuse (like for me, I tell my CO that I was not aware the last week of December the FCC was closed (this is true), which made me unable to complete, but this excuse is likely ONLY applicable to those windows closing in January - Early Feb).

- They will take like 7 working days to process your case - at least it is for me, so I believe it should be the same. Which is why, it is best you contact them as soon as you receive the SMS that state your window is closed.

Hope this information can help. Note that this is only for RT defaulter who missed by 1 or 2 session - if you miss more than that, then excuse won't help at all, only supporting documents.
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