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Old 27-02-2010, 03:13 PM   #31
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u mean no sentence he still under arrest, meaning he's not in db? but usually after been caught, they will need to investiage before bring him to courts?

if the rules is something like prison, usually gf shouldn't have any problem on visiting him

his gf keep calling the saf hotline, asking the ppl in-charge to call her, cos all her family member address, contact has been change. and the bf also just given the new address to the unit for them to home visit, which the bf told her.. if visit can see the 2 children, hope for plead light sentence, cos her gf not working and elder children need to sch, fincinal problem
He is consider under remand. yes duh.

this is not a normal civilian prison.

he can plead for a lighter sentence base on compassionate reason. but whether the court martial accept or not is another matter
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Old 27-02-2010, 03:14 PM   #32
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but now he so call under arrest, no superiors talking to him, he even ask for how long he is sentence, still need to wait?

how come if have the information also cannot say?
yes. he gotta wait. ask the girlfriend speak to his superior if she noes who and can get them?

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he will be taken to military court.
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He is consider under remand. yes duh.

this is not a normal civilian prison.

he can plead for a lighter sentence base on compassionate reason. but whether the court martial accept or not is another matter
so mean he is under remand, but usually will take how long for them to be sentence? i have read through the db, some run 10years got caught just 18month for birth register, hear le so touching
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Old 27-02-2010, 03:18 PM   #35
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yes. he gotta wait. ask the girlfriend speak to his superior if she noes who and can get them?

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his gf also dunno who's the superiors leh.. his gf keep calling the in-charge to call her, she want to know better details, they like damn busy no time make calls
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he will be taken to military court.
military court can we go hear the sentence? will he be brought to there as well? can arrange marry if he is in DB
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Old 27-02-2010, 03:19 PM   #37
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so mean he is under remand, but usually will take how long for them to be sentence? i have read through the db, some run 10years got caught just 18month for birth register, hear le so touching
If you care to read. i already said many many times IT DEPENDS. how competent and how efficient and how complex the case is for investigation.

what talking you
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Old 27-02-2010, 03:19 PM   #38
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check yr PM.


oh btw, the current remand he is under is called closed arrest. just a nice term for remand.
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his gf also dunno who's the superiors leh.. his gf keep calling the in-charge to call her, she want to know better details, they like damn busy no time make calls
try to go see mp lor.
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I heard someone told me before. for everyday u awol, u will kena 2 days db. so maybe 2x the length he awol?

confirm hv to go thru all the court martial proceedings. depends on how efficient they are?

depends. can use that as a plead.
I dun really remember exact figure leh, but first time offender, what I remember for within my powers.... is 1 day DB for every 2 days AWOL, that is JDO summary trial for those who awol a few days one. This one is court martial case, so might be different case. Court martial sentencing usually look at past cases, not sure if public can access court martial similar past cases, with some minor changes for different cases.

my 2nd question is.. since he got caught recently right, how long he will need to know the sentence.. he call up his gf leh, tell her units officer might drop by for home visit?

if his parents bring his gf visit him possible?
As above, this is court martial case, so first need to wait for court martial date, he will be in DB on close arrest until then. Sentence, might or might not start with his first day in custody, depending on how long the sentence also (if few years, few days difference wont make a significant difference... if few weeks, a few days will make some difference).

Home visit will be most likely made by defending officer. This is just to understand and verify his family conditions for the mitigation plea. Do note that defending officer is just another NSF officer who cannot do much for him except help plead guilty and read out the mitigation plea, the prosecution is a civilian lawyer, NSF 2LT wont stand any chance arguing with a trained lawyer. If my memory is right, sentence will be about 2 years, with possibility of 1/3 discount for good behaviour, so about 16 months after discount.

he did not say properly, cos he can only make just one call when he got caught.. even his family member bring his gf go visit also cannot, how to request for it, by mp or his bf approve?
For visitation, I can't remember if can do so now, but definitely can do so after sentencing. Unit should inform them of court martial date, and you can go for the hearing, like normal subordinate court. Court martial is at Kranji or Mowbray camp (these 2 camps are back to back I think), DB just behind that. I'm not really sure if gf not allowed, but I think got limit, like 2 person per visit, 1 visit per week. My unit last time go ppl in DB also, I remembered the gf got go visit or at least the detainee (habitual awolee, like 5th time already) said so.

Editted: yeah, close arrest is the word... me forgot the exact term, didnt read last few posts before posting.

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his gf also dunno who's the superiors leh.. his gf keep calling the in-charge to call her, she want to know better details, they like damn busy no time make calls
I can't remember if it is a requirement to inform the parents / gf, but it would be a courtesy to do so. They need to file an awol case against the awolee, so would be quite busy with investigations too, if unit is small, might be same officer who files the charge and 'defends' him. So they need to try to put in all the details as well as any mitigating factors. My advice is to not disturb them at least until court martial date, since if you make them pissed off, it will not be good for the mitigation plea (though it might not help too much).

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whether he is under CA or sentence he is still held at db. it's the same camp actually.

his awol duration is so long...fulfil the cut off duration for court martial dunno how many times over. as long as over 90 days for 1st awol = db liao


1st awol <90days = summary trial > 90days GCM liao.
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I can't remember if it is a requirement to inform the parents / gf, but it would be a courtesy to do so. They need to file an awol case against the awolee, so would be quite busy with investigations too, if unit is small, might be same officer who files the charge and 'defends' him. So they need to try to put in all the details as well as any mitigating factors. My advice is to not disturb them at least until court martial date, since if you make them pissed off, it will not be good for the mitigation plea (though it might not help too much).
but now right, the bf address has been change from the i/c.. by right, they should check with the bf the actual address to send over, they will have a letter mention when and venue to visit him, if not he's inside surely worried outside gf/children is well anot right?
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Old 27-02-2010, 03:33 PM   #44
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whether he is under CA or sentence he is still held at db. it's the same camp actually.

his awol duration is so long...fulfil the cut off duration for court martial dunno how many times over. as long as over 90 days for 1st awol = db liao


1st awol <90days = summary trial > 90days GCM liao.
ca means? and what is this mean 1st awol <90days = summary trial > 90days GCM liao.?
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Old 27-02-2010, 03:37 PM   #45
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I dun really remember exact figure leh, but first time offender, what I remember for within my powers.... is 1 day DB for every 2 days AWOL, that is JDO summary trial for those who awol a few days one. This one is court martial case, so might be different case. Court martial sentencing usually look at past cases, not sure if public can access court martial similar past cases, with some minor changes for different cases.



As above, this is court martial case, so first need to wait for court martial date, he will be in DB on close arrest until then. Sentence, might or might not start with his first day in custody, depending on how long the sentence also (if few years, few days difference wont make a significant difference... if few weeks, a few days will make some difference).

Home visit will be most likely made by defending officer. This is just to understand and verify his family conditions for the mitigation plea. Do note that defending officer is just another NSF officer who cannot do much for him except help plead guilty and read out the mitigation plea, the prosecution is a civilian lawyer, NSF 2LT wont stand any chance arguing with a trained lawyer. If my memory is right, sentence will be about 2 years, with possibility of 1/3 discount for good behaviour, so about 16 months after discount.



For visitation, I can't remember if can do so now, but definitely can do so after sentencing. Unit should inform them of court martial date, and you can go for the hearing, like normal subordinate court. Court martial is at Kranji camp, DB just behind that. I'm not really sure if gf not allowed, but I think got limit, like 2 person per visit, 1 visit per week. My unit last time go ppl in DB also, I remembered the gf got go visit or at least the detainee (habitual awolee, like 5th time already) said so.

Editted: yeah, close arrest is the word... me forgot the exact term, didnt read last few posts before posting.
you mean he run so many years, the sentence is roughly If my memory is right, sentence will be about 2 years, with possibility of 1/3 discount for good behaviour, so about 16 months after discount.
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db also somewhere kranji camp?
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