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Old 29-01-2008, 06:11 PM   #16
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1 more point - got bond or not ? How long? Don't be beholdened to your company who can then dictate your salary and progression...
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Old 29-01-2008, 08:26 PM   #17
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Have a friend who did the strathclyde mba - still doing same job 2 years after finishing the course. Salary did not increase much either.

Frankly what is the value of an mba these days? There are so many mba graduates out there - it must be the most common masters qualification! The so-called edged has to be seen in that perspective!

Unless you get into a really top notch programe like insead, chicago, LBS, wharton etc, have to question whether it is worth the effort just to add mba behind your name and consider stress to work/life balance.
I hate to post this but here goes.
I disagree with your point. Some people took an MBA when they should not have (not ready to utilise one), hence if they are unable to reap the potential benefits, it is no one but the person him/herself to blame.

I'm not being biased or sterotyping etc, people have the right to follow their interest / dream but again, not being able to utilse the MBA does not provide the MBA doesn't provide the edge, rather, the person has not reach the path where the edge is needed.

No offence to anyway.

Lets get back to the constructive discussion on selecting MBAs and not the debate if one is needed (if you are debating, then you don't need one)
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Old 29-01-2008, 08:31 PM   #18
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1 more point - got bond or not ? How long? Don't be beholdened to your company who can then dictate your salary and progression...
I'll keep this to the last post where it goes out of topic.

Yes, there will be a bond, it there is none, than that is a bonus.

If one cannot investigate and reason out the pro and cons of taking an MBA the bond etc, than again, the person is not ready for the MBA (if you cannot forsee and analyse something that simple, you are not ready for an MBA).

In addition, bonds can always be bought over (btw, this is not a new concept, its common).

Before the argument goes into stuff like bond breaking is not ethical etc etc, may I first state that in the world of business, it is what you can pull off and be successFUL that counts, ethics is subjective as it is tied to culture, having your bond bought over can sometimes be beneficial (hint : means you are being head hunted)

alright, lets get back to topic.

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Old 29-01-2008, 10:57 PM   #19
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Nah i don't want a debate. Just expressing opinions. I have been headhunted myself so I know that stuff. My cousin did his MBA at Wharton and as usual like most grads from there, he had a top-notch NY consultancy job waiting before he graduated. Anyway, it is your time and your prerogative, so good luck
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Old 30-01-2008, 02:33 AM   #20
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the enviable salaries we saw at ft.com of ivy league MBA grad are:

i) the western pay scale, which we all know is at least 50%-100% more than asians partly due to the much higher gov tax. its the same story working at silicon valley.

ii) the top biz schs have been selective in shortlisting students to participate in ranking surveys upon grad. those brokers/traders/self employed with high commission payout will be targetted first. there was an article before on how to increase MBA rankings for the audited salary column. the author recommended biz sch to accept brokers/private bankers as top priority student during enrolment.

iii) outside of US/EU, say hewlett packard asia pacific. do you all think their HRD will pay ivy league grad US$100k working as a business development manager 3 years later? hahahaha.

ivy league grads will most probably stay within US/EU because of the salary. the rest of the world will be complemented by mostly non-ivy league grads to fill mgmt positions, for mnc like HP, etc. i personally know of 2 managers from local MNC sponsored by their employers to do a distance learning MBA. another 2 senior personnel got promoted to managers after they started their distance learning MBA.

who says not worthwhile? of course it will be if the whole world = wall street

*my context is asia where other than insead, most MBA are meant for working adults/professionals at least 32+ yo.
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Old 30-01-2008, 09:28 PM   #21
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Hi cosycatus, thanks for the post.

Yes, I undestand the structure of the NTU/NUS MBA and the typical cohort, hence the preference in not taking their MBA

For Insead, my MD took his from an aussie uni that is not branded (he's australian and did his MBA way before coming to SG) so asking him to pay so much for my super branded MBA might be politically touchy... (you what I mean? ) Still, I'll take the school into consideration as you have a very valid point - networking which as you have correctly pointed out , is actually one of my KPI under business growth.

Thanks again for your post.
- I guess u have to weight how open he is to such matters. Some bosses have the fear of their subordinates doing better or having it better than themselves.

- Anyway, the networking from Stra might not be too bad. Seriously, networking is not about meeting top managers, but people from vastly different fields who might actually one day use ur products.
Small doors lead to big doors.

The Stra admin is quite helpful, you can call them up for talk to them for some insight about the class consituent.
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Old 30-01-2008, 11:50 PM   #22
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Old 31-01-2008, 11:43 AM   #23
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So it seems that the Strathclyde MBA suits my needs (I understand that different MBAs suit different ppl's needs so no bashing here please) with perharps alittle more investigation on the Manchester Business School.

Insead is alittle bit tough but I'll keep in at the back of my head.

As there will be Education / MBA fairs along the year, I'd most probably make a decision by June (as I'd need time to prepare for the application documents).

In the meantime, do feel free to provide to the dicussion

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Old 31-01-2008, 01:59 PM   #24
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my MBA application essay is for sale at S$150 nett non-neg. however it cannot be used if you are applying to my biz sch (which we will talk about at a later stage).

interested please pm me.
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Old 01-02-2008, 12:43 AM   #25
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my MBA application essay is for sale at S$150 nett non-neg. however it cannot be used if you are applying to my biz sch (which we will talk about at a later stage).

interested please pm me.

thanks but no thanks, I reckon I'll handle my own essay personally.

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Old 01-02-2008, 01:16 AM   #26
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I just took a look at the Strathclyde MBA and seems its flexible learning structure - which combines self-studies, intensive seminars, local tutorials - is quite similar to that of the Manchester MBA - i.e. it does not tie you down to weekly lectures you must mostly attend.
If your job require you to travel, this flexibility will be a plus point.

Here is some info if you like to "investigate" more about the "part-time" Manchester MBA:

1. 8 core modules (finance or biz track) + 4 electives + 1 big personal project/report.
(If you take the engrg business track, you will need to do a group "live" project/report for one company within your group, plus a smaller personal project)

2. Each 5-month module consist of distance-learning self-study supported by study guides/texts and international e-forums, 3 local tutorial sessions, 1 assignment, 1 exams + 25 hours of workshop/seminar conducted by the UK faculty (who usually fly in for 3 full days or 2 evenings + weekend). The workshop can also be attended in any of their teaching centers in HK, Dubai etc..

3. You can take as many or as little modules you want per 5-month semester, so you can take between 2.5 - 5 years to complete (ave 3 years).

4. Local office and teaching center is at 1 Philip Street (Raffles place MRT)
and is directly administered by the Manchester Business School worldwide division
- not via an agent.
(A key plus point for me as not many MBA business school has a local presence directly here).

5. Ranked consistently 22th in the world in the very competitive FT rankings (2006, 2007, latest 2008), triple-accredited.
http://media.ft.com/cms/9fe070e6-ca70-11dc-a960-000077b07658.pdf


So it seems that the Strathclyde MBA suits my needs (I understand that different MBAs suit different ppl's needs so no bashing here please) with perharps alittle more investigation on the Manchester Business School.

Insead is alittle bit tough but I'll keep in at the back of my head.

As there will be Education / MBA fairs along the year, I'd most probably make a decision by June (as I'd need time to prepare for the application documents).

In the meantime, do feel free to provide to the dicussion

Thanks
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:56 AM   #27
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that ranking is for full time mba

FT also publishes rankings for distance learning mba
http://media.ft.com/cms/a47575cc-d31...00779e2340.pdf

for part time mba you can see business week
http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interac...ol_ptmba_2007/

and then you have economist
http://mba.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=2007rankings
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Old 01-02-2008, 08:12 AM   #28
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the enviable salaries we saw at ft.com of ivy league MBA grad are:

i) the western pay scale, which we all know is at least 50%-100% more than asians partly due to the much higher gov tax. its the same story working at silicon valley.

ii) the top biz schs have been selective in shortlisting students to participate in ranking surveys upon grad. those brokers/traders/self employed with high commission payout will be targetted first. there was an article before on how to increase MBA rankings for the audited salary column. the author recommended biz sch to accept brokers/private bankers as top priority student during enrolment.

iii) outside of US/EU, say hewlett packard asia pacific. do you all think their HRD will pay ivy league grad US$100k working as a business development manager 3 years later? hahahaha.

ivy league grads will most probably stay within US/EU because of the salary. the rest of the world will be complemented by mostly non-ivy league grads to fill mgmt positions, for mnc like HP, etc. i personally know of 2 managers from local MNC sponsored by their employers to do a distance learning MBA. another 2 senior personnel got promoted to managers after they started their distance learning MBA.

who says not worthwhile? of course it will be if the whole world = wall street

*my context is asia where other than insead, most MBA are meant for working adults/professionals at least 32+ yo.
interestingly i was reading the article as well
http://search.ft.com/ftArticle?query...128000078&ct=0

as for salary, you cant do what you suggested. you send the survey to the entire population of students. FT audits them every 5 yrs or when the numbers look odd (one particular uni once bribed a FT chap and got into top 20 and was found out lol)
and if you happen to know which school does it, you can make some money by emailing that info to the school just beneath it LOL!

and i do agree that the salary tend to be biased bcos they grads do tend to stay in US or euro. And most MNCs only hire these people for their internal consulting roles (in HP's case it used to be the SPAM group in US)

and lately, the whole world = wallstreet. haha
just look at the bloodied streets of new york and the world!
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Old 01-02-2008, 09:17 AM   #29
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Hi danzodanzo,

Firstly, sincere thanks for all your posts, in particular, the one I quoted, it provided me with some useful insights.

Not meaning to be lazy but if you could, can you provide a similar analysis for the Strathclyde MBA? It would be great to see some analysis from a 3rd party point of view.

Regards

I just took a look at the Strathclyde MBA and seems its flexible learning structure - which combines self-studies, intensive seminars, local tutorials - is quite similar to that of the Manchester MBA - i.e. it does not tie you down to weekly lectures you must mostly attend.
If your job require you to travel, this flexibility will be a plus point.

Here is some info if you like to "investigate" more about the "part-time" Manchester MBA:

1. 8 core modules (finance or biz track) + 4 electives + 1 big personal project/report.
(If you take the engrg business track, you will need to do a group "live" project/report for one company within your group, plus a smaller personal project)

2. Each 5-month module consist of distance-learning self-study supported by study guides/texts and international e-forums, 3 local tutorial sessions, 1 assignment, 1 exams + 25 hours of workshop/seminar conducted by the UK faculty (who usually fly in for 3 full days or 2 evenings + weekend). The workshop can also be attended in any of their teaching centers in HK, Dubai etc..

3. You can take as many or as little modules you want per 5-month semester, so you can take between 2.5 - 5 years to complete (ave 3 years).

4. Local office and teaching center is at 1 Philip Street (Raffles place MRT)
and is directly administered by the Manchester Business School worldwide division
- not via an agent.
(A key plus point for me as not many MBA business school has a local presence directly here).

5. Ranked consistently 22th in the world in the very competitive FT rankings (2006, 2007, latest 2008), triple-accredited.
http://media.ft.com/cms/9fe070e6-ca70-11dc-a960-000077b07658.pdf
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Old 01-02-2008, 10:41 AM   #30
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that ranking is for full time mba

FT also publishes rankings for distance learning mba
http://media.ft.com/cms/a47575cc-d31...00779e2340.pdf

for part time mba you can see business week
http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interac...ol_ptmba_2007/

and then you have economist
http://mba.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=2007rankings
without a common basis for competitive comparison on p/t & d/l programmes, FT MBA statistics are commonly used to denote the recognition of the course especially when some p/t &d/l certificates bear the same parchment as the FT MBA. in my opinion, all the links you have presented are still lacking in objective/professional assessment. they merely encapsulated student's feedback and enrolment statistics, a far cry of professional assessment on the academical quality.

interestingly i was reading the article as well
http://search.ft.com/ftArticle?query...128000078&ct=0

as for salary, you cant do what you suggested. you send the survey to the entire population of students. FT audits them every 5 yrs or when the numbers look odd (one particular uni once bribed a FT chap and got into top 20 and was found out lol)
and if you happen to know which school does it, you can make some money by emailing that info to the school just beneath it LOL!

and i do agree that the salary tend to be biased bcos they grads do tend to stay in US or euro. And most MNCs only hire these people for their internal consulting roles (in HP's case it used to be the SPAM group in US)

and lately, the whole world = wallstreet. haha
just look at the bloodied streets of new york and the world!
no all in my cohort received the invitation to participate in survey dude. incidentally, so far i have only noticed 1 job posting from HP/SPAM and requiring 10 yrs exp in the same field which i shy'ed away. bloodshed in Fall Street. run by MBA's, and i would like to stress, the elites! not to worry, the prospect of APAC non FT MBA grad is still good, as long as they are rich in experience and do not ask for the stars and moon.
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