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Old 08-11-2009, 07:30 PM   #1
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Should upgrade i7 860? SATA 3 / USB 3 Concerns

I have this setup:
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Should I upgrade to the new I7 860?

The other concern: SATA 3 and USB 3.0 support in P55 chipsets.
I wish to get SATA-3 and USB 3.0 support in the motherboard Im planning to buy (for future usage) but most of the motherboards that supports USB3 / SATA3 (Gigabyte P55A UD3P / UD4P / UD6P) cripples the first PCI-E 16X to 8X when USB 3.0 / SATA3.0 are enabled!

And graphics card runs on the first PCIE 16x lane, the graphics performance will definitely be reduced.

Should I wait for a P55 / P57 motherboard that does not exhibit this limitation?

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Old 08-11-2009, 07:39 PM   #2
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Some info for you :

A GTX 295 cant even fully saturate a X8 slot so there wont be any problems with running graphics card at X8 and performance will not be bottle-necked. only when X4 or X1 bandwith is used then the performance will be severely decreased

If you are worried , why not get a top tier MB with a NF200 chip ( doubles the bandwith from a total of X16 to X32 for all slots so enabling Sata 3 / USB 3 will not be a problem )

Also , Sata 3 and USB 3.0 is still too early , only a handful of products support these specs. Also most of the products that support these either carry a premium price for its added features or Does not fully take advantage of the new specs USB 3 and SATA 3 has to offer.

My Opinion : Wait until Intel releases their next killer , Gulftown with 6 cores, mabey more Sata 3 , USB 3 MB will be avaliable . or even PCI-E 3.0 ^^ which is next year Q1 2010 ( Jan ~ March )
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Old 08-11-2009, 07:39 PM   #3
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... q9450 is a very powerful chip.
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Old 08-11-2009, 08:02 PM   #4
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yeah no point upgrading...
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Old 08-11-2009, 08:05 PM   #5
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I think you should hold on to your money first.It's not worth upgrading a Q9450 to a i7 860 unless you really need the extra performance.
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:19 PM   #6
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or even PCI-E 3.0 ^^ which is next year Q1 2010 ( Jan ~ March )
Actually, make that next NEXT year.. http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/p...oducts-pushed/
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:26 PM   #7
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just upgrade ur gpu to 5850 can liao
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:34 PM   #8
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bro fast enough la Q9450 @ 3.2Ghz

u just need to whack a gd GPU like other bros mentioned such as 5850
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Old 09-11-2009, 09:11 AM   #9
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If you're talking about gaming performance, you'll see no improvement by upgrading.
Check our article here where we use a QX6850 based machine as a baseline against the Phenom II 955 and the Core i7 965 - there's not much to be gained at all:-
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...cid=20&id=2969

You need more game performance, just upgrade your GFX card.


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Originally Posted by hest_812
I have this setup:
2GB Kingston HyperX 1066Mhz
Gigabyte EP45-UD3P P45 Chipset
Intel Q9450 2.66Ghz @ 3.2Ghz

Should I upgrade to the new I7 860?

The other concern: SATA 3 and USB 3.0 support in P55 chipsets.
I wish to get SATA-3 and USB 3.0 support in the motherboard Im planning to buy (for future usage) but most of the motherboards that supports USB3 / SATA3 (Gigabyte P55A UD3P / UD4P / UD6P) cripples the first PCI-E 16X to 8X when USB 3.0 / SATA3.0 are enabled!

And graphics card runs on the first PCIE 16x lane, the graphics performance will definitely be reduced.

Should I wait for a P55 / P57 motherboard that does not exhibit this limitation?

Thanks
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Old 17-11-2009, 02:42 PM   #10
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I have this setup:
2GB Kingston HyperX 1066Mhz
Gigabyte EP45-UD3P P45 Chipset
Intel Q9450 2.66Ghz @ 3.2Ghz

Should I upgrade to the new I7 860?

The other concern: SATA 3 and USB 3.0 support in P55 chipsets.
I wish to get SATA-3 and USB 3.0 support in the motherboard Im planning to buy (for future usage) but most of the motherboards that supports USB3 / SATA3 (Gigabyte P55A UD3P / UD4P / UD6P) cripples the first PCI-E 16X to 8X when USB 3.0 / SATA3.0 are enabled!

And graphics card runs on the first PCIE 16x lane, the graphics performance will definitely be reduced.

Should I wait for a P55 / P57 motherboard that does not exhibit this limitation?

Thanks
Uhm about this i just read somewhere about the unefficiency bandwidth while using SATA3 or USB 3 @ P55 motherboards. Pls wait, i'll be back for more information. You must have PLX bridge on the board such as ASUS P7P55D Premium solution.
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Old 17-11-2009, 02:54 PM   #11
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Should just get ASUS mobos

Cuz there will be a add on card in the future once the usb3 etc is stabalized
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Old 17-11-2009, 02:59 PM   #12
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i think ur rig is sufficient to last u through 2010. just get a 5850 like wat im planning to do
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Old 17-11-2009, 04:22 PM   #13
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quad core already.... hold yr horses la bro....
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Old 17-11-2009, 04:44 PM   #14
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Uhm about this i just read somewhere about the unefficiency bandwidth while using SATA3 or USB 3 @ P55 motherboards. Pls wait, i'll be back for more information. You must have PLX bridge on the board such as ASUS P7P55D Premium solution.
Here we go. for SATA 3 and USB 3.0 support mainboard available @ market now we just have full range P55 by Gigabyte and ASUS P55 Premium rev or Asrock with external card for SATA3
Firstly via Gigabyte website mentioned about this disadvantage:
* When dual graphics cards are used in 1st and 2nd PCIex16 slots, SATA3 / USB 3.0 (Marvell 9128 /NEC USB 3.0 Controllers) will work at normal mode.

Basically that mean:
  1. If you want to use full speed of USB 3.0 or SATA 6Gb/s, you will lose a PCIe 2.0 x16 slot => no SLI/CrossFireX support. Even if you might not be running SLI/Crossfire but when you use EITHER USB 3.0 or SATA 6 Gb/s, your PCIe x16 will only run at degraded model (as low as PCIe X 8 only)
  2. You can only choose EITHER USB 3.0 or SATA 6 Gb/s to run at full capacity. The board CAN NOT provide these 2 functions at full capacity at the same time.
  3. If you decides to run Crossfire or SLI, BOTH USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 Gb/s need to run at degraded mode (250MB/s only compare to their full capacity 600MB/S)

WHY???? Let’s explore this in details:

Gigabyte borrow the PCIe 2.0 lane from CPU to achieve the bandwidth for SATA3 or USB 3.0 so

1. If you want to run SLI/Crossfire, CPU provides PCIe 2.0 x8, x8 to dual PCIe x16 slots.

The USB 3.0 & SATA 6 Gb/s are connected to P55, therefore both of them can only have 250mb/s from PCIe 1.0 (which is 41% of their full capacity).
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2. When the USB 3.0 is connected.
One PCIe 2.0 x8 lane switches to USB 3.0 => one PCIe x16 slot (@x8 speed) is disabled.
meanwhile the SATA 6Gb/s, since its still connected to P55 at PCIe 1.0, is at degraded Mode (250mb/s only (41%) of its full capacity). Not even to mention, the PCIe x16 slot for VGA is now only running at x8 speed (50% of its full capacity)
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3. When the SATA 6Gb/s is connected. The “symptom” is the same.
One PCIe 2.0 x8 lane switches to SATA 6.0 Gb/s, hence one PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (@x8 speed) is disabled. and USB 3.0, since its still connected to P55 at PCIe 1.0, is at degraded mode (250mb/s ŕ only 41% of its full capacity). Again, the PCIe 2.0 x16 slot for VGA is now only running at x8 speed (50% of its full capacity).
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And you must go to BIOS for choosing while SATA3 or USB3.0 @ performance mode. not easy hah lolz

But it's not mean that we can enjoy the fully sata3 and usb3.0 @ p55 motherboard. If you really love those two so you can pay more and go for ASUS P7P55D Premium or another boards have the PLX bridge for SATA3 and USB3.0

ASUS Solution: leave PCI-E 2.0 from CPU 1156 alone (so we still have full 16x 2.0 single VGA or true 8x 8x for dual VGA) and intergrated PLX chip for SATA3 and USB 3.0
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as we all know, P55 provides PCIe 1.0 x4 lanes to PLX Bridge Chip, and then transformed to PCIe 2.0 speed. So BOTH SATA 6Gb/s & USB 3.0 are connected to the PLX bridge and at their FULL capacity at the all time (benefited from the addtional transformed PCIe 2.0 bandwidth).

Maybe that the reason why Gigabyte annouce about new UD7 series with the same PLX bridge. But we still waitting for real HDD SATA 3 and USB 3.0 for "real" performance testing base on those theories.
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In short, if you're intending to go the SLI/CF path in the near future and still have SATA 3.0/USB 3.0 support, best to stay away from LGA1156 setups regardless of the chipset being used.
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