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Old 02-04-2009, 11:48 AM   #1
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China general tells troops Party trumps state

Topbrass from PLA calling for steadfast commitment to the CCP. It has been two decades since the Tian An Men incident in 1989.

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BEIJING (Reuters) - China's military must be loyal first and foremost to the ruling Communist Party rather than the state, a senior general wrote in a piece published on Wednesday, stressing politics even as the armed forces seek to modernize.

The comments also come in a year of sensitive political anniversaries which may lead to protests and dissent, adding to government worries about unrest as bankruptcies and unemployment rise due to slowing exports amid the global financial crisis.

China's defense spending has risen steadily in recent years as it seeks to turn a bloated and outdated force into a sleek military able to project power well beyond its borders.

This year's military budget will grow to 480.7 billion yuan ($70.35 billion), a 14.9 percent rise on last year, prompting the Pentagon to express concern last month about the limited transparency accompanying China's rapidly expanding capabilities.

Li Jinai, a member of the powerful Central Military Commission and head of the People's Liberation Army's General Political Department, wrote in April's Party journal Seeking Truth that politics would not be sacrificed to modernization.

"Following the profound reforms our country's economy and society have been experiencing and our continued opening up to the outside, every type of thinking and culture has surged in," Li wrote, using the ponderous prose typical of Chinese officials.

"Inevitably, some mistaken, backward things have also seeped in to influence the military," he added, without elaborating.

"The Chinese Communist Party is the leadership core of the cause of socialism with Chinese characteristics, and maintaining the Party's absolute leadership is our military's political priority," Li said.

"Resolutely resist 'de-Partyising or de-politicizing the military' or 'nationalizing the military' and other mistaken thoughts and influences," he added.

Li's article comes a few months after hundreds of dissidents, activists and former officials called for dramatic democratic reforms to the one-party state, according to a document released on the Internet.

The "'08 Charter," issued online with the names of 303 Chinese citizens, called for freedom of expression and association, open competitive elections and stripping away Party control of the military.

Some signatories have since been detained, and the government has shown no sign of loosening its grip.

The People's Liberation Army was born out of the Red Army, a five-million-strong peasant army, which became the national armed force in 1949 when Communist leader Mao Zedong swept to power.

The Party has also not feared using the armed forces to keep it in power, such as in 1989 when troops bloodily suppressed pro-democracy protests around Beijing's central Tiananmen Square.

($1=6.833 Yuan)

(Reporting by Ben Blanchard; Editing by Jeremy Laurence)

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/world...53029820090401
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:52 AM   #2
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Not surprising. The People's Liberation Army was formed by and served for the Communist Party from the beginning.
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Old 03-04-2009, 08:02 AM   #3
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first law on the noob's guidebook for PLA freshmen:
'loyal to the party'.
then comes 'serve the country'.

that pretty much says it all.
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Old 03-04-2009, 08:03 AM   #4
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Almost all the politicans are like that too.
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:37 PM   #5
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This is the reason why a situation in the former USSR will not happen in China, at least in the near future.
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:51 PM   #6
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not related.

USSR was the forced almagation of different states, longest prolly in the last 2 centuries. breaking up was inevitable. most parts of china was unified for a long time.
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Old 04-04-2009, 12:24 AM   #7
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not related.

USSR was the forced almagation of different states, longest prolly in the last 2 centuries. breaking up was inevitable. most parts of china was unified for a long time.

agreeded ukraine etc are national sentiment are quite strong and enjoy certain degree of self rule
that why the german durin ww2 are held as liberator at first

its like the usa have many different culture and state but nationally they see themself as part of usa and not a forced union

or prussia in the past before germany the many state saw themselfas germans before they own state allegience
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Old 04-04-2009, 02:39 AM   #8
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Looks fun!!



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Some good info on the PLA here: http://www.china-defense.com/index.html
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Old 04-04-2009, 03:49 AM   #9
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chinese weaponry no big deal really. their best product was the ballistic missiles. cheap (prolly 1/2 to 1/3 cost of american ones) and pretty powerful. but this cannot be use in most conventional wars and they didnt really have a lot (americans got like thousands, china max up like hundreds...). the good side was that it gave the chinese cheap and rather reliable space launch platform.

the other good innovation was the 5.8mm rounds, prolly the best standard issue military small arms ammo. but on the other hand their rifles pretty cok up. most of them got design flaws and user unfriendly. plus china short of copper, made steel bullets instead, and the manufacturing process not very good, a lot of QC failures. some more used acidic gunpowder, lousy gun barrels, in the end good bullet design still cannot compare to 5.56, rifles worn out faster from bad gunpowder.

same thing goes to their armor and mech infantry. the best chinese tank now is prolly their type 99, second best tank in asia besides the korean K2 black panther, but cost about the same as an M1 abrams... developing country cost and salary with developed country price. obviously their metallurgy and composites tech still got high failure rate. in the end PLA only armed 2 or 3 divisions with these. the rest still pretty backwards.
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Old 04-04-2009, 06:51 PM   #10
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Talking about MBTs, Japan revealed their new 44 ton MBT TK-X prototype last year, so I guess the Best Tank in Asia title will up for grabs soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFXenALi2-s





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Old 04-04-2009, 08:11 PM   #11
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44 tons difficult lah. probably the best APC but definitely not MBT .

these things cannot siam one, more tonnage more armour. some chinese weaponry fans claimed chinese tanks as good as M1 or Chally, or even the israelis merks. but the chinese ones are in the 50+ tons and US/UK/israelis ones are nearly 70 tons. a large part of the extra weight probably goes to armour, since guns and engine they are almost equal.

japanese new 44 tons could be 'thin as paper' in the face of modern AP shells.
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