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jq75 · 07-12-2009, 10:41 PM

recently i see some brands have quite good specs desktop tt comes with a 20" LCD, giving DIY a very small advantage only.

do u agree? SLS also do not seemed tt crowded nowadays

ColinYip · 07-12-2009, 10:43 PM

most branded desktops comes with psu and gfx card that are underpowered for the same price.

MAking gaming tough.They like to emphasize 1GB of VGA ram which does not really help much if the gpu is weak.

soulblader_86 · 07-12-2009, 10:47 PM

ColinYip wrote:

most branded desktops comes with psu and gfx card that are underpowered for the same price.

MAking gaming tough.They like to emphasize 1GB of VGA ram which does not really help much if the gpu is weak.

all those brand want to make $$ and are out to make $$

Sure you are paying more than you can get...

but what you receive are convenience, and warranty coverage...

lionelfoo · 07-12-2009, 11:04 PM

I feel branded systems are more worth it for commercial usage as there are no need for hardware upgrades unlike hardcore gamers

chaddeus · 07-12-2009, 11:47 PM

ColinYip wrote:

most branded desktops comes with psu and gfx card that are underpowered for the same price.

MAking gaming tough.They like to emphasize 1GB of VGA ram which does not really help much if the gpu is weak.

I am into branded PCs. Look what is inside. They are CPUs made by Intel or AMD. Gfx most probably using nVidia or ATi which are most probably identical to manufacturers such as ASUS, Palit, HIS etc since they are using reference board.

Price wise, large manufacturers price their product competitive. They are not there to charge you higher price due to their higher manufacturing cost but rather their purchasing power ability to lower their buying price.

For example, they most probably buy Windows Vista Business edition for US$50 while we need to spend like US$100 or more for the same product. How about WD 2TB Green. You would be paying US$199 while they can get it for US$139 or even lower.

A lot of people don't do price comparison properly. They fail to calculate the value or warranty and support and of course, most people don't include OS as a comparison.

- Charles

ColinYip · 07-12-2009, 11:50 PM

chaddeus wrote:

I am into branded PCs. Look what is inside. They are CPUs made by Intel or AMD. Gfx most probably using nVidia or ATi which are most probably identical to manufacturers such as ASUS, Palit, HIS etc since they are using reference board.

Price wise, large manufacturers price their product competitive. They are not there to charge you higher price due to their higher manufacturing cost but rather their purchasing power ability to lower their buying price.

For example, they most probably buy Windows Vista Business edition for US$50 while we need to spend like US$100 or more for the same product. How about WD 2TB Green. You would be paying US$199 while they can get it for US$139 or even lower.

A lot of people don't do price comparison properly. They fail to calculate the value or warranty and support and of course, most people don't include OS as a comparison.

- Charles

You are right in your logic.

But i always found branded pcs are better for commercial purposes due to warranty and tech issues. Also, for your relative. You DO NOT WANT to go down to their house every weekend and help the solve problems and get a cup of coke in return.

Im sure some of your know what i mean.

BlurKillerEX · 08-12-2009, 12:02 AM

i wonder how many times this question had been asked in this forum...

trenzterra · 08-12-2009, 12:09 AM

depends lor. if u care abt convenience + u don't know how to troubleshoot urself + u wanna pay by instalment all those then i think branded is a better option.

but one thing i have always wondered though: why can't OEMs make more balanced computers? i almost facepalm when my frnds's dell xps came with a i5 proc but a gt220.

StarkInt · 08-12-2009, 12:26 AM

DIY FTW!!!

jq75 · 08-12-2009, 09:01 AM

ColinYip wrote:

most branded desktops comes with psu and gfx card that are underpowered for the same price.

MAking gaming tough.They like to emphasize 1GB of VGA ram which does not really help much if the gpu is weak.

maybe they use shared memory on board graphic.

but at times if u just need a workstation desktop, seems branded is quite a good deal cos it seems almost everything in for a good price.

DIY lose out at times for a basic system could well be the OS cost

StarkInt · 08-12-2009, 09:19 AM

Tik dis topic will forever surface one. Nvr ending like Intel or AMD qns.

Simplest ans : Go wif d heart n wallet.

PC · 08-12-2009, 10:43 AM

Noob about pc stuffs --> branded
Don't buy DIY systems from shops, usually they give the most cheapo stuffs especially casing and PSU.

If know the stuffs well and know what to get --> DIY

If friends/relative ask for help --> 90% of the time I would say branded, got problem call help line don't call me. Had enough of unpleasant experiences.

taugeh · 08-12-2009, 11:40 AM

pls sticky this kind of topic once and for all with the pros and cons.

zero7090 · 08-12-2009, 11:59 AM

Using branded computer mean you cannot overclock, mod or just simple upgrade the component inside without voiding the warrantty. However DIY is troublesome if you do not really know what you are doing.

Home made vs convenient store lunch box, you pick

octacon · 08-12-2009, 01:00 PM

Branded model of PC have a lot of restriction on hardware , not to mention the super lousy power supply which comes with it that is the cancer of the system . Imagine you want to upgrade your graphic card to ATI 4870 , your branded pc power supply will not pack enough juice to power it up ( or for long before it up the lorry) .

07-12-2009, 10:41 PM	#1
jq75 High Supremacy Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 52,308	DIY vs Branded Systems recently i see some brands have quite good specs desktop tt comes with a 20" LCD, giving DIY a very small advantage only. do u agree? SLS also do not seemed tt crowded nowadays __________________ [SIZE=1][url=http://www.fodey.com/generators/animated/ninjatext.asp][img]http://r2.fodey.com/1a61c270723cc47d2bb7e6b5702917050.1.gif[/img][/url][/SIZE]

07-12-2009, 10:43 PM		#2
ColinYip Hardware Clinic, Storage Clinic Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,748	most branded desktops comes with psu and gfx card that are underpowered for the same price. MAking gaming tough.They like to emphasize 1GB of VGA ram which does not really help much if the gpu is weak. __________________ Thanks for the support guys. Its been great enlightening a generation of consumers.	Processor 3800+ X2 $$ 2.4ghz Mainboard AN8 ULTRA Graphics Card XPERT x1600pro DDR3 w/Zalman Memory Kingston 1GB Display 15 inch HP LCD Storage 160GB Optical Storage TDK Casing Wavemaster PSU Tagan 480 Audio Audiomax OS Win XP

07-12-2009, 10:47 PM		#3
soulblader_86 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,299	ColinYip wrote: most branded desktops comes with psu and gfx card that are underpowered for the same price. MAking gaming tough.They like to emphasize 1GB of VGA ram which does not really help much if the gpu is weak. all those brand want to make $$ and are out to make $$ Sure you are paying more than you can get... but what you receive are convenience, and warranty coverage...	Processor Intel i5-750 3.8Ghz @ 1.23 vcore + Noctua U12P SE2 Mainboard Gigabyte P55 UD6 Graphics Card XFX HD 5850 1GB Memory 2X 2GB Kingston 1333MHz Display Philips 244E1SW/69 Storage Western digital 640GB caviar black + Intel X25-M 80GB G2 SSD Optical Storage 22x LG Super Multi DVD Casing Ikonik EN2 without window PSU Seasonic M12 II Modular 620W Audio Onboard audio OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition

07-12-2009, 11:04 PM		#4
lionelfoo Supremacy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 12,195	I feel branded systems are more worth it for commercial usage as there are no need for hardware upgrades unlike hardcore gamers __________________ RAZER BLACKWIDOW Mass Order	Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2.67GHz (4 CPUs) running at 4000.1MHz at 1.3v Mainboard EVGA P55 CLASSIFIED 200 Graphics Card GeForce® GTX 260 Sonic 216 SP (896MB) & GeForce® GTX 260 Sonic 216 SP (896MB) Memory Dual Channel 2GB 1600 Team Xtreem running at 7X7X6X15 Display Samsung SyncMaster 225BW connected via VGA\| DVI connected to PS3 via HDMI to DVI Storage Raid 0 2X .12 Seagate HDD, 1X 500GB Samsung Optical Storage Samsung 22X DVD Writer Casing CoolerMaster Scout Sniper Storm PSU Aeroool Modular E85M 700W Audio Asus Xonar DX PCI-E & Altec Lansing V2421\| Razer Megalodon! OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_rtm.090713-1255)

07-12-2009, 11:47 PM	#5
chaddeus Arch-Supremacy Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 7,002	ColinYip wrote: most branded desktops comes with psu and gfx card that are underpowered for the same price. MAking gaming tough.They like to emphasize 1GB of VGA ram which does not really help much if the gpu is weak. I am into branded PCs. Look what is inside. They are CPUs made by Intel or AMD. Gfx most probably using nVidia or ATi which are most probably identical to manufacturers such as ASUS, Palit, HIS etc since they are using reference board. Price wise, large manufacturers price their product competitive. They are not there to charge you higher price due to their higher manufacturing cost but rather their purchasing power ability to lower their buying price. For example, they most probably buy Windows Vista Business edition for US$50 while we need to spend like US$100 or more for the same product. How about WD 2TB Green. You would be paying US$199 while they can get it for US$139 or even lower. A lot of people don't do price comparison properly. They fail to calculate the value or warranty and support and of course, most people don't include OS as a comparison. - Charles __________________ [img]http://www.speedtest.net/result/626655821.png[/img] http://www.speedtest.net/result/626655821.png

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07-12-2009, 11:50 PM		#6
ColinYip Hardware Clinic, Storage Clinic Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,748	chaddeus wrote: I am into branded PCs. Look what is inside. They are CPUs made by Intel or AMD. Gfx most probably using nVidia or ATi which are most probably identical to manufacturers such as ASUS, Palit, HIS etc since they are using reference board. Price wise, large manufacturers price their product competitive. They are not there to charge you higher price due to their higher manufacturing cost but rather their purchasing power ability to lower their buying price. For example, they most probably buy Windows Vista Business edition for US$50 while we need to spend like US$100 or more for the same product. How about WD 2TB Green. You would be paying US$199 while they can get it for US$139 or even lower. A lot of people don't do price comparison properly. They fail to calculate the value or warranty and support and of course, most people don't include OS as a comparison. - Charles You are right in your logic. But i always found branded pcs are better for commercial purposes due to warranty and tech issues. Also, for your relative. You DO NOT WANT to go down to their house every weekend and help the solve problems and get a cup of coke in return. Im sure some of your know what i mean. __________________ Thanks for the support guys. Its been great enlightening a generation of consumers.	Processor 3800+ X2 $$ 2.4ghz Mainboard AN8 ULTRA Graphics Card XPERT x1600pro DDR3 w/Zalman Memory Kingston 1GB Display 15 inch HP LCD Storage 160GB Optical Storage TDK Casing Wavemaster PSU Tagan 480 Audio Audiomax OS Win XP

08-12-2009, 12:02 AM		#7
BlurKillerEX Arch-Supremacy Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,975	i wonder how many times this question had been asked in this forum...	Processor ~No Rig~ ): Mainboard ~No Rig~ ): Graphics Card ~No Rig~ ): Memory ~No Rig~ ): Display ~No Rig~ ): Storage ~No Rig~ ): Optical Storage ~No Rig~ ): Casing ~No Rig~ ): PSU ~No Rig~ ): Audio ~No Rig~ ): OS ~No Rig~ ):

08-12-2009, 12:09 AM		#8
trenzterra Supremacy Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 15,321	depends lor. if u care abt convenience + u don't know how to troubleshoot urself + u wanna pay by instalment all those then i think branded is a better option. but one thing i have always wondered though: why can't OEMs make more balanced computers? i almost facepalm when my frnds's dell xps came with a i5 proc but a gt220.	Processor Intel Core 2 Duo E7300 @ 2.66GHz Mainboard MSI P35 Neo-F Graphics Card PowerColor Radeon HD 4870 512MB Memory 3x1GB Kingston DDR2-800 CL5 Display 24" Dell ST2410 Storage 320GB 7200.10, 200GB WD Caviar SE, 500GB WD Caviar Green Optical Storage Sony DRU-845S Casing NZXT BETA EVO PSU OCZ StealthXtreme 500W Audio Creative Audigy 2 ZS OS Windows 7 Ultimate

08-12-2009, 12:26 AM	#9
StarkInt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 564	DIY FTW!!!

08-12-2009, 09:01 AM	#10
jq75 High Supremacy Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 52,308	ColinYip wrote: most branded desktops comes with psu and gfx card that are underpowered for the same price. MAking gaming tough.They like to emphasize 1GB of VGA ram which does not really help much if the gpu is weak. maybe they use shared memory on board graphic. but at times if u just need a workstation desktop, seems branded is quite a good deal cos it seems almost everything in for a good price. DIY lose out at times for a basic system could well be the OS cost __________________ [SIZE=1][url=http://www.fodey.com/generators/animated/ninjatext.asp][img]http://r2.fodey.com/1a61c270723cc47d2bb7e6b5702917050.1.gif[/img][/url][/SIZE]

08-12-2009, 09:19 AM	#11
StarkInt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 564	Tik dis topic will forever surface one. Nvr ending like Intel or AMD qns. Simplest ans : Go wif d heart n wallet.

08-12-2009, 10:43 AM		#12
PC Arch-Supremacy Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5,512	Noob about pc stuffs --> branded Don't buy DIY systems from shops, usually they give the most cheapo stuffs especially casing and PSU. If know the stuffs well and know what to get --> DIY If friends/relative ask for help --> 90% of the time I would say branded, got problem call help line don't call me. Had enough of unpleasant experiences.	Processor P8600 Graphics Card ATI V5725 Memory Kingston 2x2gb Display 17" Storage Intel G2 80gb OS Windows 7

08-12-2009, 11:40 AM		#13
taugeh Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,755	pls sticky this kind of topic once and for all with the pros and cons. __________________ Taugeh = Beansprout	Processor X4 955BE 3.2ghz Stock. Mainboard Gigabyte 890GPA-UD3H Rev 1.0 Graphics Card MSI 5770 Hawk Memory 2 x 2gb Kingston DDR3 Display Samsung 19", 24", 26" and 46" Storage WD 500gb Black , WD 1TB Blue, Seagate 500gb Barracuda , Seagate 320gb Barracuda Optical Storage Samsung DVDRW Casing CM HAF 932 / Ikonik EN2 BW PSU Seasonic 620w Modular Audio Realtek HD OS Windows 7 Proffesional 64bit

08-12-2009, 11:59 AM	#14
zero7090 Master Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,654	Using branded computer mean you cannot overclock, mod or just simple upgrade the component inside without voiding the warrantty. However DIY is troublesome if you do not really know what you are doing. Home made vs convenient store lunch box, you pick __________________ -==Offical ANTI ODEX Club Member No. 144==- Last edited by zero7090 : 08-12-2009 at 12:04 PM.

08-12-2009, 01:00 PM		#15
octacon Master Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 4,260	Branded model of PC have a lot of restriction on hardware , not to mention the super lousy power supply which comes with it that is the cancer of the system . Imagine you want to upgrade your graphic card to ATI 4870 , your branded pc power supply will not pack enough juice to power it up ( or for long before it up the lorry) .	Processor I7 860/E4500/PhenomII 955 Mainboard Gigabyte P55M-UD2 /Zotac630i Graphics Card Powercolor 4890PCS+/Nvidia build in/Xpertvision 8800gt Memory Team Elite DDR3 1333 2X2GB/OCZ 800 DDR2 2X2GB/Kingston DDR2 800 2x2GB Display 24" philip 241IE & 19" Philip 190S X1 Storage 2X 1TB 7200.11 Seagate/ 500GB &640GB seagate/320GB Seagate Optical Storage 16X DVD SamSung /16X DVD NEC/16X Sony Casing Centurion V/ CoolerMaster Elite 342/Centurion 534 PSU Aerocool 700watts/Acbel 450 watts/500 watts CoolerMaster Audio Creative Xtreme Gamer/Build in/Build in OS Windows7 32bit/Windows XP Pro/Windows XP Pro