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Old 08-05-2011, 02:08 AM   #16
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Good news ! 4GB storage mystery solved.

Factory engineer reverted with the following:

1. In normal windows system, if we format at 4GB sd card or thumbdrive, we usually left with about 3.75gb with fat32.In android, it follows the same theory


With my understanding for windows, I assume the following

Internal Memory (C:\) 2350mb
Data storage (D:\) 938.66mb
RAM DDR2 512mb
Total 3800.66mb

Jetpack, do correct me if my assumption is wrong.

At first i do not believe what they say and I open up the casing and I found 4pcs of k4t1g164qf-bce7 samsung nand flash

then i google it and found pdf from samsung telling us how to tell the density, http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...ide_apr_10.pdf

Sorry sorry typo, should be

Internal Memory (C:\) 938.66mb
Data storage (D:\) 2350mb
RAM DDR2 512mb
Total 3800.66mb
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Old 08-05-2011, 02:17 AM   #17
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Factory also admitted that the battery level at their end also stops at 88%..and they checking with processor cum main board market if this can be solved.

Then i go google android market and found "battery calibration" tools but dam i do not have root permission (in windows means administrator right)

For more info can refer to here https://market.android.com/details?i...=search_result
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Old 10-05-2011, 10:06 AM   #18
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Factory also admitted that the battery level at their end also stops at 88%..and they checking with processor cum main board market if this can be solved.

Then i go google android market and found "battery calibration" tools but dam i do not have root permission (in windows means administrator right)

For more info can refer to here https://market.android.com/details?i...=search_result
Hi,

Great to see another borther jumping into the bandwagon of china pads. The battery calibration basically just deletes the file. Try to explain to you. I have tried this so called battery re-calibration method. My battery also shows the battery max out at 80 to 90%. It will never reach full. Better yet, I plug in the charger, show 80% to 90%, pull it out, immediately drop to 70%.

I have tried the battery calibration method. This method was suggested by many other people playing with their pads with different results.

Android has a battery charging file which it uses for a reference. When the pad was made, the pad recognises the battery as 0% then when the battery circuit board cuts the power after full charge, the Android OS will capture a certain reading or state of the battery as fully charged. This is a reference point which it will then reflect on the battery meter as 50% or 70% or 100%.

Overtime, Android will pick up more data whenever you charge the battery. It is like a mini database. Problem arises over time as well as we never use the battery till 0% before charging. So the data becomes a little off. You tend to charge say at 50% or at 40%. This figure is just a speculation by the OS given the voltage reading from the battery. Thus, there is a common problem that people tend to complain that over some time, the battery drops very fast or depletes faster after some usage. This could be the OS not charging the battery completely or thinking it is fully charged when it is not.

Now, back to the pad. The battery calibration method is to have user root access and to delete the battery calibration file when your pad is almost completely flat out of battery. Thus, this is to "return" the battery condition back to factory and when you fully charge it over 10 hours, Android will capture the new battery information and recreate the battery file as a first charge basis.

Most importantly, Does It Work? ...Yes and No. I tried it, slight imrpovement. The battery meter did not drop so drastically but still canot reach 100%. Some people commented that it completely solved their problems after doing it a couple of times. So, this is a method cooked up by somebody trying to tweak their pad. It is one of the possible solution but not THE solution.

Frankly speaking, I still think it is the crappy battery with the crappy crcuit board that is controlling the battery giving problems. That is the main reason why I opened my pad and tried to replace the battery. Now I stuck. Battery cost about $48.00 with the need to repalce another charge costing $35.00. Total cost $83.00. Now thinking is it worth it? Maybe I will try to buy another pad when I next visit HK. Not sure what to do. The only good thing about buying the pad is I learnt alot about Android 2.2 in the process.

I think you should just forget about the battery recalibration method. If you really want to try it, you need to root the pad. No other way. In theory, the method is sound and logical. However, reality often is not.

Thus, as per my original post, if you are happy using your very cheap pad, just leave it. The next person who bought a $800 pad will be better then yours but trust me, you can update and change every 6 months and by the 2nd pad you buy, it would be better then his 1 year old $800 pad.

By the time, you are bored with your pad, start rooting and you will find it gives a new lease of life.
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Old 10-05-2011, 10:16 AM   #19
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I have an Apad from China. Bought from dealextreme.

Dont bother with those Apad from China. Buying one is as good as throwing $$ into the sea. I regret buying it.
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Old 10-05-2011, 03:24 PM   #20
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Save up and buy decent brand IMHO. Getting china brand is as good as tying ur hand to a grenade.
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Old 11-05-2011, 01:30 AM   #21
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Hi,

The touch screen is of capacitive or resistive ?

if its capacitive and from bulk order of 100 pcs at S$99
I am very keen

capacitive touch screen are like those use on IPADs/Iphone very fas response.

Resistive ones are slightly slower and can't do quick scrolling.
Internal processer 800 Mhz and above is fine.
ram 512 OK.

I've seen capacitive touch screen, 1 GHZ processer. 7 Inch. include shipment via EMS (reach within about 4 working days.) 2 pcs minimum about $230 or slighhtly lesser.

If you can get at $99 or even at USD 99 with bulk order of above 100 units. Pls include me

many Thanks.

Thanks.

What price is good price??? and quality you looking for?
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Old 11-05-2011, 05:15 PM   #22
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I have ordered a Witstech A81E http://www.merimobiles.com/Witstech_...p/meri0306.htm from Merimobiles last year. The service and response is good. The device is usable, 50% of the time use as portable video player for my young kid.
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Old 11-05-2011, 11:19 PM   #23
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Do a google on Herotab C9. Looks very impressive. Capacitive screen, gps, bluetooth, hdmi out etc. Bit higher price than normal china brands - US250 but looks like one of the better quality stuff
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:45 AM   #24
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Do a google on Herotab C9. Looks very impressive. Capacitive screen, gps, bluetooth, hdmi out etc. Bit higher price than normal china brands - US250 but looks like one of the better quality stuff
Yes. Herotab C9 appears to be the first batch of the useable tablets from China. However, the only issues outstanding is the gryoscope and the battery life. If you check out the review on yutube, you will see that the rotating from portrait to landscape is still slightly buggy. Battery life is still untested.

For about US$250.00 before tax and freight, final cost into Singapore would be about S$350.00 (Singapore Dollars). It might not be worth it. The lower end pads coming into the market from more reputable manufacturers are in the region of about S$500.00 to S$650.00. If you wait a while, it will definately go down.

We tend to be "Western" gadget buyers. We trust the specs on the box and compare between models. Trust me, you will not know what you get if you just buy a China PAD based on the box specifications alone.

Whatever being said and done, I have destroyed one pad and is now scouting for another china pad. Its fun to play with a pad but I still refuse to pay for the IPAD which really annoys me as the OS is too "closed" for my liking. I love the screen and speed though.

China PADs are still using MID/Multimedia CPUs which are not fast enough to grant you a good experience. I believe that one of the china pads are using the Nvidia Tegra chipset but the cost is about $500 over. So you see, most manufacturers are already competing very hard on cost.

Thus, if you have the notion that a china manufacturer can use the same build quality and parts as the major manufacturers and yet charge you a lower price, stop lying to yourself. These China PADs are using inferior or low end parts to bring the cost down. You are buying an inferior product but it is still useable and value for money.

Key thing is to test and filter through the vast amount of China PADs to find a good one. That is the risk. Buy wrongly then you have just dumped the money into the drain. No chance of rescue as most issues are hardware related.

Good Luck.
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:51 AM   #25
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Hi,

The touch screen is of capacitive or resistive ?

if its capacitive and from bulk order of 100 pcs at S$99
I am very keen

capacitive touch screen are like those use on IPADs/Iphone very fas response.

Resistive ones are slightly slower and can't do quick scrolling.
Internal processer 800 Mhz and above is fine.
ram 512 OK.

I've seen capacitive touch screen, 1 GHZ processer. 7 Inch. include shipment via EMS (reach within about 4 working days.) 2 pcs minimum about $230 or slighhtly lesser.

If you can get at $99 or even at USD 99 with bulk order of above 100 units. Pls include me

many Thanks.

Thanks.
Be warned. I have tried a so called capacitive touch screen China Pad. If you are thinking the screen is the same as Samsung Tab or IPAD, you are going to be in for a rude shock.

The screen is so called capacitive. But the response and accuracy of the touch is no where near IPAD. The sensitivity if also no where near the IPAD.

Although they say it is capacitive screen, please check it out yourself if possible. Furthermore, my friend bought one. It is okay to use at first but once the pad is loaded with widgets and other apps, the whole performance collapsed. The screen touch was so laggy. The pad was fitted with only 256mb ram and 800mhz CPU (A8). Thus, screen is important but not the only factor.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:12 AM   #26
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How about the smartq ten? Tried the older models, build is better than most china pads
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:41 PM   #27
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Yes. Herotab C9 appears to be the first batch of the useable tablets from China. However, the only issues outstanding is the gryoscope and the battery life. If you check out the review on yutube, you will see that the rotating from portrait to landscape is still slightly buggy. Battery life is still untested.

For about US$250.00 before tax and freight, final cost into Singapore would be about S$350.00 (Singapore Dollars). It might not be worth it. The lower end pads coming into the market from more reputable manufacturers are in the region of about S$500.00 to S$650.00. If you wait a while, it will definately go down.

We tend to be "Western" gadget buyers. We trust the specs on the box and compare between models. Trust me, you will not know what you get if you just buy a China PAD based on the box specifications alone.

Whatever being said and done, I have destroyed one pad and is now scouting for another china pad. Its fun to play with a pad but I still refuse to pay for the IPAD which really annoys me as the OS is too "closed" for my liking. I love the screen and speed though.

China PADs are still using MID/Multimedia CPUs which are not fast enough to grant you a good experience. I believe that one of the china pads are using the Nvidia Tegra chipset but the cost is about $500 over. So you see, most manufacturers are already competing very hard on cost.

Thus, if you have the notion that a china manufacturer can use the same build quality and parts as the major manufacturers and yet charge you a lower price, stop lying to yourself. These China PADs are using inferior or low end parts to bring the cost down. You are buying an inferior product but it is still useable and value for money.

Key thing is to test and filter through the vast amount of China PADs to find a good one. That is the risk. Buy wrongly then you have just dumped the money into the drain. No chance of rescue as most issues are hardware related.

Good Luck.

Talking about "Nvidia Tegra chipset", i was playing with honeycomb android 3.0 in one of the superstore and I find very hard to navigate around, it seems like android 2.2 is more easy to understand, icons bigger...

Another thing that i realised, the speed is nothing faster than the china pad that i am testing on. This remind me the time when we have win xp, vista then 7. It seems like the specification of our lappy or desktop is always upgrading but why the respond from all OS are still quite laggy. If any one free , try installing win xp or vista on your new system, you will not find it more responsive, it seems the speed is lock by the OS. (speed is this case refer to mouse click and then application respond)

As for china or branded brands, taiwan, japan, blar blar, my thoughts is whoever who can calibrate the OS with the hardware well are winners.

If anyone still using windows vista and find it slow, tweak it, save money, take away unwanted animation and u will see instant improvement...

7.40pm going off work now.. tired.........
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:47 PM   #28
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Hi,

The touch screen is of capacitive or resistive ?

if its capacitive and from bulk order of 100 pcs at S$99
I am very keen

capacitive touch screen are like those use on IPADs/Iphone very fas response.

Resistive ones are slightly slower and can't do quick scrolling.
Internal processer 800 Mhz and above is fine.
ram 512 OK.

I've seen capacitive touch screen, 1 GHZ processer. 7 Inch. include shipment via EMS (reach within about 4 working days.) 2 pcs minimum about $230 or slighhtly lesser.

If you can get at $99 or even at USD 99 with bulk order of above 100 units. Pls include me

many Thanks.

Thanks.
thanks for responding, my side still testing the 7 inch mid but tired after testing out 10inch hahahah...

the 10inch on the way in, should be in by next week and factory end says they fixed the battery so can charge to 100%.. wait till i receive the shipment then update..

I follow jetpack advice and source info at android community, manage to make the 10inch screen brightness as bright as ipad, i think the brightness is lock by factory to prevent battery drain. Also tested the gps, it works now...
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Old 13-05-2011, 12:36 PM   #29
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Hi Innovativeint,

Great to see you are still active in the China Pads. Wanted to share with you. Was googling around that this particular model caught my attention. See below for the specific specs from the manufacturer website and the current price of the pad selling in HongKong. Conversion for HK dollar is about 1 sing to 6.2 hk.

Check it out, really tempted by the good price. Any Comments from you?



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Old 14-05-2011, 02:49 AM   #30
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Hi Innovativeint,

Great to see you are still active in the China Pads. Wanted to share with you. Was googling around that this particular model caught my attention. See below for the specific specs from the manufacturer website and the current price of the pad selling in HongKong. Conversion for HK dollar is about 1 sing to 6.2 hk.

Check it out, really tempted by the good price. Any Comments from you?



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err.. jetpack... you are tempted .....lolx....price seems good but can say almost no warranty or after sales service.....doubt the seller will bear the 2 way courier charges to cover the warranty. Seller maybe earning less than 100rmb (S$20), he/she sure lose money if any return.

Money aside as i think that your leisure time is more important than the price of the baby..

Buying is easy but I think nightmare started is only after you receive your new toy and may have many questions, doubts....

Communication will be a big problem with seller, lets say we write very detailed email explaining the issue to to seller and seller replied " I do not understand" ..or " I will check with supplier and reply", these are fine but the torture will be waiting for reply.

Actually i was having sleepless night after getting my first android pad hee hee and every morning i wake up, before brush teeth i will check my email, no reply..hahah...

In the end, i make phone call to factory, my mandarin sucks but lucky other end understand what i say and replied me....

Actually I flashed a rom to my pad and it cannot boot up at all. I think flashed about 3 roms and the 4th rom give me problem, think i flash with boot-loader or something, now my pad can power on but it just keep buzzing, no display...have tried all combination of keys but still the same..

The factory guy is nice and know abit of english, he trying to explain to me that my bios maybe corrupted and cannot detect micro sd card to boot, so no many matter how i try to flash again, will not work .. by the way anyone know in chinese what is bios? lolx... really chicken and duck, trying to guess what each other trying to say...

Oh no, i am talking off topic, anyway in singapore, many call centre actually is base in KL, india etc.....i was calling singtel one day about my broadband problem, i told the guy over the phone at which setting page i am in, but he insist me to follow him from beginning, indeed very detailed which is good or maybe he do not understand what i saying....

Jetpack, maybe you can google around first to see if there is forums talking about this baby, at least when the seller cannot help, you still have pple in android community to ask.

Alternative, you may want to play with my new pads first which is coming in next week. It is 10inch though, 1ghz speed, 512mb ddr, 4gb storage, gps, external 3g (lolx, so far works on my starhub dongle) , mini hdmi ...

I ordered 5pcs, 1pc for my friend who need big screen as getting old, eyes cannot sell well.. and the rest sell in my retail..

maybe you can give me some feedback after you play
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