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Old 25-06-2012, 04:24 PM   #61
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Ok, I am looking for the perspective that everything needs to be balanced (and hardly a MS Fanboy) like how the Covenant of Primus taught us that Unicron and Primus is the balance of good and evil ...

But by the matrix, the Dark energon known as iPad and Android Tablet has already ran deep within a lot of companies, especially iPads in financial sectors ....

So wouldn't that be a long shot?
Surface is a ultrabook class notebook in a form factor of a tablet.

They don't even have to rely on apps ecosystem as the library of x86/x64 software is larger than those written specially for a indiviual platform (Heck u can even install other x86-x64 os if u don't like windows 8 pro)

IMO, I think that it would be priced too expensive for the average consumers (look at the current price of a ultrabook) unless it is their one and only device and its suface counterpart is in danger of failure (unless they can expand their store selection from just 99 apps).

But microsoft surface is in a good position to capture the enterprise market as a lot of corprate system is too deeply entrenched in windows/linux environment
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Old 25-06-2012, 09:07 PM   #62
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the pro version uses windows 8. you could probably use alot of windows stuff on it like a normal computer. and the usb port will be very useful.
which is the exact reason why, i am buying it for work.

think will (not fearing of incurring the wrath of the fruit fanboys) be better than any Macbook Air/Pro/Whore ...

Ok, I am being fair here, i have a 17" MBP and a 17" ACER Laptop also on top of my ASUS Transformers Prime. So don't SCOLD me Fanboy ... I am a techwhore.
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Old 25-06-2012, 11:31 PM   #63
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for win 8 pro, hope they include mobile data option, in addition to wifi....

unless they plan for some seamless integration with windows phone 8.... tethering using NFC?
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Old 26-06-2012, 10:41 AM   #64
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which is the exact reason why, i am buying it for work.

think will (not fearing of incurring the wrath of the fruit fanboys) be better than any Macbook Air/Pro/Whore ...

Ok, I am being fair here, i have a 17" MBP and a 17" ACER Laptop also on top of my ASUS Transformers Prime. So don't SCOLD me Fanboy ... I am a techwhore.
Yup, will definitely get one if the price is right.

The features are way better than anything the ipad/macbook offers.

I feel sad for the apple fanboys who will not be able to get a good product
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Old 26-06-2012, 11:25 AM   #65
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That does raise the question - why not a normal ultrabook that can run W8 as well? The Surface Pro does come with quite a few limitations compared to a proper notebook, albeit with the pros that's it's more stylo mylo.
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Old 26-06-2012, 02:55 PM   #66
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I want the Pro version for the pen which I really hope is a digital stylus like the S-Pen or the N-Trig ones. I am not artist but I do take a lot of notes and having that pen is far more useful than tapping into a screen.

I was dead set on the Note 10.1 but if the Pro has a proper stylus then Microsoft has my money.
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Old 27-06-2012, 01:17 PM   #67
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That does raise the question - why not a normal ultrabook that can run W8 as well? The Surface Pro does come with quite a few limitations compared to a proper notebook, albeit with the pros that's it's more stylo mylo.
Different form factor mah. Each will have their pros and cons.

For portability and ease of use while on the go, tablets are easier to use.

For true multi tasking and power computing, so far notebooks are the way to go.

No point speculating too much until the Surface is actually released. Hopefully it'll be a game changer.
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Old 29-06-2012, 11:48 AM   #68
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This is my view of the MS Surface...

OEMs can’t do it, so Microsoft DID IT! My Thinking Out Loud!

For usage scenarios, I've been using a TabletPC from Acer from 2003-2007 & a Fujitsu from 2007 till now. I can tell you that the Surface can do everything my Fujitsu can + more. The Surface Pro can also support a 5mm clickable keyboard cover in addition to the 3mm Touch Keyboard Cover.

If you need a BIG screen, then yes the Surface is too small for you but for all those scenarios that the iPad & Android tablets are targetting, the Surface will work well including Flash in the Metro browser for both Win RT & Win8. ATM, Microsoft is not targetting the 7" market & the 5" market will be targetted by WP8. HTC has announced the Zenith for this.

For the Surface Pro, expect real running time at around 4-5 hours with screen & WiFi on due to Ivy Bridge Core i5 (+ PCH) consuming 20-30W depending on the CPU. (Unless Intel has a special Core i5 SoC that we haven't seen, then expect 15-20W). The 1080P panel will also use more power.

Surface may hit 6-8 hours assuming the Snapdragon S4+SoC consume <10W. It will have 720P or 768P screen.

I don't see a market for Ultrabook in the 10-12" range anymore because Wintel wants Touchscreen on their Ultrabook. It's difficult to use a Touchscreen when there's a keyboard in the way. 13" & above makes more sense to have Touchscreen but I'm thinking it's still a gimmick.

The Surface Pro will have a Electro-magneto type of stylus with palm rejection so it may be a Wacom as per hi-end TabletPC.

Surface will likely run WP7 & WP8 apps in Hypervisor. Surface Pro will run ALL Windows software that are Vista compatible + Win RT apps (MS Apphub will probably compile 2 versions (Arm + x86) to ensure seamless UX in the Win8 Store).

It can run WP7 & WP8 apps if you install the emulator for these 2 platforms. Not sure if running WP7/8 apps can be done natively or not.

So far, Win8 Release Preview can't run WP7/8 apps natively.
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Old 29-06-2012, 01:43 PM   #69
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I can't wait for more news.
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Old 29-06-2012, 01:53 PM   #70
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I am quite like the ultrabook concept. And the Surface idea is very good!
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Old 19-07-2012, 03:47 PM   #71
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MS Announced Win8 will be available on Oct 26th. Meaning the Surface (Arm) should be available as well.
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Old 19-08-2012, 02:12 AM   #72
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MS Surface Pro has a competitor!

Lenovo Tablet 2. Running on dual-core Intel Atom, real battery life should be 5-7 hours using Windows 8 Pro 32bit.
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Old 19-08-2012, 10:43 AM   #73
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MS Surface will fail or at best turn in a mediocre performance.

A tablet is a tablet and a notebook is a notebook. Not much point making a two in 1 and expect a lot of people to buy.

Its like the galaxy note. Fairly decent sales but sales still lose to SGS3 phone and galaxy tab. If people (retailers or corporate companies) wants a tablet, the first thing they think of is ipad. If they want a notebook, the first thing they think of is macbook pro or budget type like hp, acer...
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Old 19-08-2012, 01:15 PM   #74
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not true that a 2 in 1 will fail. in the consumer segment maybe yes the demand will not be there because consumer use tablet for entertainment.

but if they target the enterprise/business segment, should have good demand. a tablet with iOS or Android is app based and quite limited in functions. They are good for entertainment but not for proper work. a windows based tablet can much more work.

i just bought a acer w500 iconia tablet which runs win 7 and it can do much more work than my android tablet, such as full usage of document, spreadsheet, powerpoint, database, photo processing or editing etc, while I'm moving around.
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Old 19-08-2012, 08:47 PM   #75
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Not sure if MS Surface (ARM) will do well. Because the lack of apps is really deterring lots from switching despite several good reviews.

However, for the Pro version, there's a chance it will do well because there's no lack of apps. It's Windows on a tablet. With the keyboard, it becomes a full notebook.

It's handy for both entertainment and work.
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