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Another rma'd 4TB wd red hard disk died. Sending it off via post for RMA. Last round it seems.

They really just last about a years usage before needing to RMA.

From all the combined knowledge in this thread, and my own [un-educated] experience with 18 Red WD. I'm going to guess it's those reds.

I blew so much money on those drives and was absolutely ripped off by WD. *sigh*

I killed my credit card and wallet, when I discovered this thread two weeks ago, and decided to bite the bullet by making the swap to Toshiba/HGST.

It isn't just failing out of the blue, the Red drives seem to make an effort to hide problems and then simply just...fail. No SMART warnings whatsoever. The NAS will complain about the drive kicking a fuss, or that I will have unexplainable pauses when doing my transfers etc, but extended SMART testing will be totally fine. [Ironically, this sort of experience was exactly what warned me a drive was dying during pre-SMART days]

And then bam...one of them goes out of commission.

Now that I've swapped completely away from WD, I hope my now empty wallet and big credit card bill is worth the pain.
 

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Hi
need to check with the expert here on video station.

I have ds918+ and have installed video station.
I have also setup ddns and did manual port forward for video station eg. router port is 19000-19050 and internal port is 9000 to 9050.
Why is there a range?


To connect to dsvideo in the login screen, i realise i can only use the url:port number of magmt ui(https or http).
Is that correct?
Should i use https or http port?

if i use https port, there is a setting inside which say play video in http, which port should i put? 19000 or 9000?
if i use either one it will says video play back fail and ask to check the http port in dsvideo.
I am confused as I already try both or any number in btw the range or either router or internal port.
if i dont use http playback setting, it says video playback fail due to certificate issue.

If i use http port during login, the video will try to play but just a spining icon and it will show an error that the operation could not be completed.

I am confused now as 3 different possibilities and all failed.

Can anyone advice the correct setting to use? or is there other player that is better to use than dsvideo.

Thank you
 

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Hi
need to check with the expert here on video station.

I have ds918+ and have installed video station.
I have also setup ddns and did manual port forward for video station eg. router port is 19000-19050 and internal port is 9000 to 9050.
Why is there a range?


To connect to dsvideo in the login screen, i realise i can only use the url:port number of magmt ui(https or http).
Is that correct?
Should i use https or http port?

if i use https port, there is a setting inside which say play video in http, which port should i put? 19000 or 9000?
if i use either one it will says video play back fail and ask to check the http port in dsvideo.
I am confused as I already try both or any number in btw the range or either router or internal port.
if i dont use http playback setting, it says video playback fail due to certificate issue.

If i use http port during login, the video will try to play but just a spining icon and it will show an error that the operation could not be completed.

I am confused now as 3 different possibilities and all failed.

Can anyone advice the correct setting to use? or is there other player that is better to use than dsvideo.

Thank you

no pic, no understand what you meant.
There shouldn't any range involved. You can always put 19000-19000

if you set it up correctly, http or https will work depending on how u configure it /want it

BUT... videos with external .SRT file will not work with HTTPS.

u can use DSVIDEO to load with MXPLAYER.
 
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no pic, no understand what you meant.
There shouldn't any range involved. You can always put 19000-19000

if you set it up correctly, http or https will work depending on how u configure it /want it

BUT... videos with external .SRT file will not work with HTTPS.

u can use DSVIDEO to load with MXPLAYER.


the range was the default for video station nas when i click create under router configuration.
I am using iphone, dont see any where for me to load with other apps.

ya, think i didnt setup correctly as all method do not work.
 

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would you guys populate a 4 bay nas with 8tb drives or a 8 bay nas with 4tb drives in raid 10?
 

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would you guys populate a 4 bay nas with 8tb drives or a 8 bay nas with 4tb drives in raid 10?

That would depends on whether you want more IOPS at probably a higher cost having more drives and larger capacity enclosure. :) The 8-bay enclosure will cost more definitely, but for the same volume capacity, not sure more 4tb drives must be more expensive than half the number of 8tb drives though. More drives also mean more power consumption in this case.
 

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That would depends on whether you want more IOPS at probably a higher cost having more drives and larger capacity enclosure. :) The 8-bay enclosure will cost more definitely, but for the same volume capacity, not sure more 4tb drives must be more expensive than half the number of 8tb drives though. More drives also mean more power consumption in this case.
also affects the rebuild time as well. it's really just a regular home nas for multimedia streaming.. maybe raid 10 is overkill performance but i'm more concerned about ure for raid 5.
 

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also affects the rebuild time as well. it's really just a regular home nas for multimedia streaming.. maybe raid 10 is overkill performance but i'm more concerned about ure for raid 5.

Well yes it does, but so far there don’t seems to be any report of URE issues occurring during resilvering. At least have never seen any such reports in this forum. As for me, my usage of the NAS is for data preservation, so i use RAID6. Multimedia streaming does not require RAID10 since streaming is mostly a sequential read I/O.
 

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Well yes it does, but so far there don’t seems to be any report of URE issues occurring during resilvering. At least have never seen any such reports in this forum. As for me, my usage of the NAS is for data preservation, so i use RAID6. Multimedia streaming does not require RAID10 since streaming is mostly a sequential read I/O.
i'm doing raid 10 purely for the speed of rebuild. if i'm taking the 8x4tb option i will definitely go for raid 6. 8tb seems like too big a gamble for raid 6. besides, raid 10 is infinitely better than raid 6 with 4 drives.
 

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i'm doing raid 10 purely for the speed of rebuild. if i'm taking the 8x4tb option i will definitely go for raid 6. 8tb seems like too big a gamble for raid 6. besides, raid 10 is infinitely better than raid 6 with 4 drives.

Raid 10 redundancy is not 2 disks for all cases, but raid 6 is 2 disks redundancy for all cases. If your usage is mostly read, raid6 does it better than raid10. Not all Raid1 or Raid10 controllers does distributed read and write, you will need to benchmark it actually to be sure.

If you decided to go for more 4TB disks, that is fine, depends on your needs
 

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Hello everyone, have a DS415+ that has been running as my office NAS for two years, populated with 2x 4tb Toshiba in SHR.

I'm running out of space, so I'm thinking if it's possible to add another 2x4tb Toshiba to expand the capacity by another 4tb?

Is it possible to add 2x8tb or is it not recommended?

I've seen the prices on Lazada and Hardware Clinic's Price List, but Lazada seems more ex.

Are there any shops that you will recommend Toshiba 4tb / HGST 8TB to buy from in SLS?

I think Toshiba is the most reliable, not too sure about HGST. Any thoughts?
 

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since space is tight Im thinking of setting up only 2.5 hd NAS drive.
are there any that you guys can recommend ? ... thanks
 

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Hello everyone, have a DS415+ that has been running as my office NAS for two years, populated with 2x 4tb Toshiba in SHR.

I'm running out of space, so I'm thinking if it's possible to add another 2x4tb Toshiba to expand the capacity by another 4tb?

Is it possible to add 2x8tb or is it not recommended?

I've seen the prices on Lazada and Hardware Clinic's Price List, but Lazada seems more ex.

Are there any shops that you will recommend Toshiba 4tb / HGST 8TB to buy from in SLS?

I think Toshiba is the most reliable, not too sure about HGST. Any thoughts?

yes, u can either add 2 x 4TB or 2 x 8TB.

1 big volume or 2 separate volumes are ok.


good choice on Toshiba drives unlike most carrots in here.
 

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Raid 10 redundancy is not 2 disks for all cases, but raid 6 is 2 disks redundancy for all cases. If your usage is mostly read, raid6 does it better than raid10. Not all Raid1 or Raid10 controllers does distributed read and write, you will need to benchmark it actually to be sure.

If you decided to go for more 4TB disks, that is fine, depends on your needs
like i said i don't really care about speeds as both will be more than necessary, more concerned about complete data loss while rebuilding raid6 with 8tb drives. anyone brave enough to do raid 6 on such large drives?
 

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like i said i don't really care about speeds as both will be more than necessary, more concerned about complete data loss while rebuilding raid6 with 8tb drives. anyone brave enough to do raid 6 on such large drives?

If you care about URE during resilvering, you will wanna read these
https://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?t=96171
https://www.reddit.com/r/zfs/comments/3gpkm9/statistics_on_realworld_unrecoverable_read_error/

True enough the probability of the URE is not a summmation across the size of the disk, it is per bit/sector/cluster. In the case of really you are so super luckily that when during one read across the other disks during resilvering that it fails, the resilvering really stop, in the case of RAID6 you still have have one more single disk failure before the whole array fails. You can always redo the resilvering process.
 
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like i said i don't really care about speeds as both will be more than necessary, more concerned about complete data loss while rebuilding raid6 with 8tb drives. anyone brave enough to do raid 6 on such large drives?

i am brave enough. you want sponsor hdd? :o
 
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