Dealing with Feline Chronic Kidney Disease in Singapore

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Hey no problem about my replying, glad that only a little effort on the part could help fellow CKD kitty Guardians ;)

I was referring to LactoGold the probiotics with the additional stuffs as compared to Acerol as maybe having the potential to drive up calcium levels (or I might be over thinking it) over a long period of time in combination with subcut fluids and playing it safe, as not sure which product you were referring to previously.

I think you are referring to kidney CREA values at 3.9 instead of Liver right? :)
 

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Hey no problem about my replying, glad that only a little effort on the part could help fellow CKD kitty Guardians ;)

I was referring to LactoGold the probiotics with the additional stuffs as compared to Acerol as maybe having the potential to drive up calcium levels (or I might be over thinking it) over a long period of time in combination with subcut fluids and playing it safe, as not sure which product you were referring to previously.

I think you are referring to kidney CREA values at 3.9 instead of Liver right? :)

I have 2 cats. 15 yrs and 14 yrs old. The 15yrs old cat's kidneys are slowly losing their function, this was discovered on oct 2016 when we brought her to the vet. Vet asked us to feed her azodyle every day and put her on drips 3-4 times a week. As of Dec 2017, her readings have been stabilized and vet asked us to continue what we are doing now.

Now my 2nd cat who is 14, also have the same issue. One of her kidney is slightly starting to lose function. So she too have to be on Azodyl daily and put on drips 3 times a week. :(
 

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Hey no problem about my replying, glad that only a little effort on the part could help fellow CKD kitty Guardians ;)

I was referring to LactoGold the probiotics with the additional stuffs as compared to Acerol as maybe having the potential to drive up calcium levels (or I might be over thinking it) over a long period of time in combination with subcut fluids and playing it safe, as not sure which product you were referring to previously.

I think you are referring to kidney CREA values at 3.9 instead of Liver right? :)


Goodness me... yes, I meant kidney profile and not liver.
I’m just wondering if Azodyl is better than Lactogold Acerol as I’ve seen more ppl taking about the latter rather than the former.
 

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I have 2 cats. 15 yrs and 14 yrs old. The 15yrs old cat's kidneys are slowly losing their function, this was discovered on oct 2016 when we brought her to the vet. Vet asked us to feed her azodyle every day and put her on drips 3-4 times a week. As of Dec 2017, her readings have been stabilized and vet asked us to continue what we are doing now.

Now my 2nd cat who is 14, also have the same issue. One of her kidney is slightly starting to lose function. So she too have to be on Azodyl daily and put on drips 3 times a week. :(

So sorry to hear that. My girl is 14 too and yeah I’m sure my other girl will start too.

Does anyone here know of boarding places that can do subcut? I can’t have a sitter come over as my dad lives with me and he doesn’t want strangers coming over and he won’t help to look afer them. Difficult for me when I have to travel.
 

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I might not check in here frequently so have sent PM previously with mobile FYI

Regarding Acerol vs Azodyl. Personally for my own cat, after being switched on Azodyl for 8.5wks so far, a review at the 7th week mark showed no difference in kidney values vs the previous year of being on Acerol. Aka either both don't work or both worked and maintained the same stabilised readings ;p Aka my cat kidney values would have read a bit higher if I did not use either product. I did do a transition and did not abruptly change between the 2 probiotics supplement.

More people talked about Azodyl because it's an American brand ( arguably more 'international'?) Plus it's out in the market longer I'm guessing. And its leased by the original inventor to Vetoquinol to market and manufacture... they are a pretty big player in animal products. Big marketing budget. Acerol don't seem to have public marketing done unlike Azodyl which does both to end users and people in the vet profession. Maybe Acerol only does trade marketing only to people in the vet profession. Hence perhaps these are why its less heard of or talked about. I consider both products in the same 'category' to relieve kidney workloads loh.

I have come across a few small tests run by either the manufacturer or studies by interested parties regarding Azodyl effects on companion animals (mainly cat dog only) Pls note that these are not recorded scientific trials, so it's not comparable to those actual trials ran in science-based medicinals. The sample sizes were too small and also does not strictly adhere to actual trial standards. I can't recall this particular article name / link atm but it states that Azodyl only improves at most approx 10% of kidney values in cats that respond to it (about half).

You should use a product for 3mths imo, then get a baseline reading for the kidneys. Then, switch if you really want to and then get another reading. Of cos, maintain everything else in between similar if not exactly the same. That includes food, environment and even attention paid to your cat. The only variable you can't control is aging. And potential disease progression....

My prev vet started my cat on Acerol when she was picked off the streets and sent for medical attn due to an infected bite wound that required hospitalisation. The kidney insufficiency was detected as part of the bloodworks done during that hospitalisation. I adopted my cat at that point because if she was returned to the streets with a cured wound, she still has kidney issues right?! ;)

I was with this vet clinic for 3.5mths and had to switch after that. As the original vet was a locum who left, and this clinic does not have Ultrasound facilities and the owner vet is a guy - I prefer female vets haha, and wanted ease of Ultrasound scans so transferred to another vet. This clinic allowed me to continue filling my Acerol prescription despite not bringing my cat to be treated there anymore, aware that my current vet knows and is ok with. I'll be honest with you, my current vet does not carry Acerol nor Azodyl and does not believe in the product but is of the opinion that if it doesn't hurt then I shouldn't change any of my routine and continue using. My current vet is aware I switched from Acerol to Azodyl as the formula changed for Acerol.
 
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I have 2 cats. 15 yrs and 14 yrs old. The 15yrs old cat's kidneys are slowly losing their function, this was discovered on oct 2016 when we brought her to the vet. Vet asked us to feed her azodyle every day and put her on drips 3-4 times a week. As of Dec 2017, her readings have been stabilized and vet asked us to continue what we are doing now.

Now my 2nd cat who is 14, also have the same issue. One of her kidney is slightly starting to lose function. So she too have to be on Azodyl daily and put on drips 3 times a week. :(

Oh dear. Keep up the good work. Is she also on any diet? What is her readings?

13-14 year old are good ages to have lived and will continue! Not that CKD is ever a good diagnosis but to get it at the Senior stage of cat life is better than getting it any earlier...

Mine is 9yo only when caught it "early", early stage 3
 

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So sorry to hear that. My girl is 14 too and yeah I’m sure my other girl will start too.

Does anyone here know of boarding places that can do subcut? I can’t have a sitter come over as my dad lives with me and he doesn’t want strangers coming over and he won’t help to look afer them. Difficult for me when I have to travel.

Do you travel often? Perhaps talk to your dad again about having someone go over for just an jour to do the subcut? Maybe feed and clean dishes etc and in out quick ? Its really better for the cat ;( You know they might freak at an unfamiliar place already and if add subcut on top... unless your cat is super chill at going new places... hopefully appeal to your dad's understanding on that?

Don't say that! CKD is largely genetic I feel. Yes diet may or may not contribute... but chronic lack of optimal hydration probably is a big culprit. And of course a high moisture diet after diagnosis will go a long way to maintain this disease. But at the end of the day, whether a cat gets it or not is genetic I feel...that and cats kidneys are rigged to fail before they are born. Modern house cats lives v long these days due to better nutrition, advanced vet care and being keep indoor safe from cars dogs parasites etc... so aging does a number on the kidneys not to mention their kidney have limited nephrons. These nephrons huh... dies from acute damage(accidental ingestion of mild toxins etc), dies from sedation, dies from anaesthesia, dies with regular usage even...seems to be dying the moment cats r born. And they don't regenerate. Gone means gone. And they are what makes their kidney function. So with time, inevitably the % will fall to below 30% that's where the renal insufficiency starts being easily detectable or shows symptoms. Some cats have a large amt of undamaged nephrons and did not have % fall below insufficiency levels and pass from old age. Others, not so lucky. So don't say that, maybe your other gal is a lucky one:)
 

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Oh dear. Keep up the good work. Is she also on any diet? What is her readings?

13-14 year old are good ages to have lived and will continue! Not that CKD is ever a good diagnosis but to get it at the Senior stage of cat life is better than getting it any earlier...

Mine is 9yo only when caught it "early", early stage 3

She is on normal diet. I just feed her usual can food + dry food. She mostly eat can food and a bit of dry food :o

As for readings, I need to go and see the blood test report which was taken on dec 2017.
 

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Dear All,

I am new to this site however I hope someone out there can help me.

My cat has been diagnosed with ckd and he is not even 2 yrs old yet. We first found out about his condition when he was about 7 months old and as his numbers were not too bad the vet placed him on renal food and asked us to continue as per normal with him.
After his last bloodworks in Nov 2017 we repeated them yesterday and the results were devastating. His protienuria has risen from normal to above 1 and his creatinine levels had also risen to 3.5 from 2.9 all in just three months.
The vet has put him on sub qs on a daily basis for now and has advised me to see a specialist asap to see is we can do a biopsy to check for underlying causes.
I am very lost at this point and don't know where to go or what to do. My little one seems to be normal. He is so so young and it's so painful for me. Can someone pls recommend me a good specialist who can help?

Sabreena
 
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