[Skincare] Everything Sunscreen

[Renzokukenz]

(Please read Post #1, Post #3, Post #5 and Post #15 before commenting)​

Dear All,

I tried looking for a thread which talks about sunscreen from a cosmetics point of view but I can't find threads which are informative. Many of them are from many years ago as well and have few replies.

So I am creating this thread in hopes of sharing information about sunscreen with each other.
My personal philosophy with sunscreen is that it must be a Physical Barrier(which means zinc oxide or titanium dioxide).

Why??
Because the whole point of me applying sunscreen religiously daily is to slow down aging (or, prevent premature aging). I want to look less than my age and UV-photo aging is the Number #1 reason why people look older than they are.

Photo showing the effects of photo-aging (Aging-induced by sunlight).
This driver constantly has his left side of his face exposed to sunlight.

Chemical barriers like Octinoxatem, Oxybenzone and stuff like that works by getting absorbed into your skin, and when your skin is exposed to UV rays, they react with the UV rays instead of letting them react with your skin cells.

The problem with that is that these chemicals usually breakdown into sub-components which are actually potentially MORE harmful than UV rays itself, and if used prolonged (aka everyday), you might actually age faster.

Chemical barriers breakdown in the presence of UV light to things that increase oxidative stress (aka making you age).

What's more?
If you did your research you will know about UV-A and UV-B rays.
Chemical Barriers are only proven largely to block UV-B rays.

Sunlight consists of UVA, UVB and UVC.
From a cosmetic standpoint, we are only interested in UVA+UVB.

UV-A is the wavelength that causes photo-aging
UV-B is the one responsible for burns (aka Sunburns)

As mentioned. Chemical Sunscreens are only proven to block UV-B rays.
Regardless of the SPF factor , chemical sunscreens in the market today are basically not well researched at all about their UV-A blocking capabilities.

So isn't the answer simple? Just go full Physical Sunscreen??

Unfortunately not. Physical sunscreen as the name implies consist of mainly Zinc Oxide and Titanium Oxide. They work by staying physically on top of your skin (not absorbed) and they work like mirrors, blocking UV light from reaching your skin.

As such, Physical Barriers tend to be chalky (make your face white) and have a very thick consistency.
But technology has improved greatly. I dare say the physical sunscreen as of late are vastly better than what they used to be.

short video on sunscreen:

Anyhow for all the vain-pots out there, please do share your experience about sunscreen that you may have.


Criteria of Good Sunscreen

• No Alcohol* (such as denaturted alcohol)
• Mineral Only (no chemical barriers)
• Good Texture and lightweight
• Broadspectrum and sufficient SPF (SPF 30 minimally)

* on why alcohol must be AVOIDED in all of your skincare products : https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/120636614-post5.html

 

[Renzokukenz]

The Trouble With Ingredients in Sunscreens

An article detailing problems with sunscreen ingredients

Sunscreen is a unique body care product: consumers are directed to apply a thick coat over large areas of the body and reapply frequently. Thus, ingredients in sunscreen should not be irritating or cause skin allergies, and should be able to withstand powerful UV radiation without losing their effectiveness or forming potentially harmful breakdown products. People can potentially inhale ingredients in sunscreen sprays and ingest some of the ingredients they apply to their lips, so ingredients must not be harmful to lungs or internal organs. Further, sunscreens commonly include ingredients that act as “penetration enhancers” and help the product adhere to skin. As a result, many sunscreen chemicals are absorbed into the body and can be measured in blood, breast milk and urine samples.

Active ingredients in sunscreens come in two forms, mineral and chemical filters. Each uses a different mechanism for protecting skin and maintaining stability in sunlight. The most common sunscreens on the market contain chemical filters. These products typically include a combination of two to six of the following active ingredients: oxybenzone, avobenzone, octisalate, octocrylene, homosalate and octinoxate. Mineral sunscreens use zinc oxide and/or titanium dioxide. A handful of products combine zinc oxide with chemical filters.

Laboratory studies indicate that some chemical UV filters may mimic hormones, and physicians report sunscreen-related skin allergies, which raises important questions about unintended human health consequences from frequent sunscreen application.

The Food and Drug Administration has not reviewed evidence of potential hazards of sunscreen filters – instead it grandfathered in ingredients used in the late 1970s when it began to consider sunscreen safety. The Danish EPA recently reviewed the safety of active ingredients in sunscreen and concluded that most ingredients lacked information to ensure their safety (Danish EPA 2015). Sixteen of the 19 ingredients studied had no information about their potential to cause cancer. And while the published studies suggest that several chemical filters interact with human sex or thyroid hormones, none of the ingredients had sufficient information to determine the potential risks to humans from hormone disruption.

EWG has reviewed the existing data about human exposure and toxicity for the nine most commonly used sunscreen chemicals. The most worrisome is oxybenzone, which was added to nearly 65 percent of the non-mineral sunscreens in EWG’s 2018 sunscreen database. Oxybenzone can cause allergic skin reactions (Rodriguez 2006). In laboratory studies it is a weak estrogen and has potent anti-androgenic effects (Krause 2012, Ghazipura 2017).

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention routinely detects oxybenzone in more than 96 percent of the American population. Study participants who reported using sunscreen have higher oxybenzone exposures (Zamoiski 2015). Investigators at University of California, Berkeley, recently reported a dramatic drop in teen girls’ exposure to oxybenzone in cosmetics when they switched from their usual products to replacements that did not contain this chemical (Harley 2016).

In a recent evaluation of CDC-collected exposure data for American children, researchers found that adolescent boys with higher oxybenzone measurements had significantly lower total testosterone levels (Scinicariello 2016). The study did not find a similar effect in younger boys or females. The researchers cautioned that their results are a single-day snapshot instead of a controlled study of the effect of multi-day exposures.

Three other studies reported statistically significant associations between oxybenzone exposure during pregnancy and birth outcomes. One reported shorter pregnancies in women gestating male babies, two reported higher birth weights in baby boys, and one found lower birth weights in daughters (Ghazipura 2017).

Intentional dosing studies in people are rare. In one study, human volunteers applied a lotion with oxybenzone and two other sunscreen ingredients. Researchers reported a minor but statistically significant decrease in testosterone in men, accompanied by a minor increase in inhibin B, another male sex hormone (Janjua 2004). The researchers concluded these differences were normal variations and not attributed to sunscreen exposure, but critics argue that the exposures were too short to be conclusive (Krause 2012).

Given the pervasiveness of oxybenzone exposures, further study is needed to evaluate the association between oxybenzone and hormone disruption in children and adults.

EWG recommends that consumers avoid sunscreens with oxybenzone. But sunscreen users are exposed to other active ingredients as well. Margaret Schlumpf of the University of Zurich detected oxybenzone and four other sunscreen filters in Swiss women’s breast milk, indicating that the developing fetus and newborns may be exposed to these substances (Schlumpf 2008, Schlumpf 2010). She detected at least one sunscreen chemical in 85 percent of milk samples.

Some experts caution that the unintentional exposure to and toxicity of active ingredients erode the benefits of sunscreens (Krause 2012, Schlumpf 2010). But most experts conclude that more sensitive tests are needed to determine whether sunscreen chemical ingredients pose risks to frequent users (Draelos 2010, Gilbert 2013).

Active ingredient toxicity
This table outlines human exposure and toxicity information for nine FDA-approved sunscreen chemicals. We asked these questions:

Will the chemical penetrate skin and reach living tissues?
Will it disrupt the hormone system?
Can it affect the reproductive and thyroid systems and, in the case of fetal or childhood exposure, permanently alter reproductive development or behavior?
Can it cause a skin allergy?
What if it is inhaled?
Other toxicity concerns?

Hormone disruption
Several common chemical filters appear to be endocrine disruptors. A large number of studies in animals and cells have shown that the chemicals affect reproduction and development by altering reproductive and thyroid hormones, although the evidence is mixed for some studies (Krause 2012). Animal studies report lower sperm counts and sperm abnormalities after exposure to oxybenzone and octinoxate, delayed puberty after exposure to octinoxate, and altered estrous cycling for female mice exposed to oxybenzone. Recently, Danish researchers reported that eight of 13 chemical sunscreen ingredients allowed in the U.S. affected calcium signaling of male sperm cells in laboratory tests, which the researchers suggest could reduce male fertility (Endocrine Society 2016).

As most of the hazard data is generated from animal studies, it is difficult to determine the human health implications of exposure to a mixture of hormone-disrupting ingredients in sunscreen.

In addition to the relationship between oxybenzone and testosterone levels in adolescents, preliminary investigations by a team of researchers at the National Institutes of Health and The State University of New York, Albany, suggest a link between higher concentrations of benzophenones and poorer reproductive success in men seeking assistance at a fertility clinic. Men with greater exposures to benzophenone-2 and/or 4-hydroxyoxybenzone had poorer sperm quality (Louis 2015), and reported that it took longer for their partners to conceive (Buck-Louis 2014). Female exposures to oxybenzone and related chemicals have been linked to increased risk of endometriosis (Kunisue 2012).

Mineral sunscreens
Mineral sunscreens are made with zinc oxide and titanium dioxide, usually in the form of nanoparticles.

There is good evidence that little if any zinc or titanium particles penetrate the skin to reach living tissues. Thus, mineral sunscreens tend to rate better than chemical sunscreens in the EWG sunscreen database. However, it is important that manufacturers use forms of minerals that are coated with inert chemicals to reduce photoactivity. If they don’t, users could suffer skin damage. To date, no such problems have been reported.

The FDA should set guidelines and place restrictions on zinc and titanium in sunscreens to minimize the risks to sunscreen users and maximize these products’ sun protection. Our detailed analysis of nanoparticles in sunscreens is available here.

Inactive ingredients
The FDA must also take a close look at the so-called inactive ingredients in sunscreens. These typically make up 50 to 70 percent of a sunscreen product

One ingredient in particular is a cause for concern: the preservative methylisothiazolinone. Methylisothiazolinone is used alone or in mixtures with a related chemical preservative called methylchloroisothiazolinone. The American Contact Dermatitis Society named methylisothiazolinone its “allergen of the year” in 2013. This year, EWG has found methylisothiazolinone listed on the labels of 44 sunscreens – a decline from 94 products in 2017.

Laboratory studies indicate that methylisothiazolinone is a skin sensitizer or allergen. Over the past several years, physicians have reported serious cases of skin allergies, most notably in children exposed to methylisothiazolinone, from baby wipes and other products meant to be left on the skin (Chang 2014). In a study published in 2014, researchers at Baylor University surveyed the ingredients in 152 children’s body care products labeled “hypoallergenic” and found methylisothiazolinone in 30 of them (Schlichte 2014). Three of the sunscreens in this year’s database are marketed for use on babies.

In 2015, researchers from 15 clinics in the U.S. and Canada reported an increase in methylisothiazolinone allergies in patients. The researchers concluded that they had documented “the beginning of the epidemic of sensitivity to methyliosthiazolinones in North America” (Warshaw 2015).

That methylisothiazolinone has become relatively common in sunscreen is a matter of concern because sunscreen users are likely to be exposed to significant concentrations of this chemical. The products that contain it are intended to be applied to large portions of the body and to be reapplied often.

In March 2015, the European Scientific Committee on Consumer Safety concluded that no concentration of the chemical could be considered safe in leave-on cosmetic products (EU SCCS 2014).

But methylisothiazolinone is still allowed in U.S. products. In 2014 the Cosmetics Ingredient Review expert panel – an independent, cosmetics-industry-funded body the American cosmetics industry pays to advise it on the safety of cosmetics ingredients – told the industry that methylisothiazolinone was safe for use in body care products as long as manufacturers come up with formulations that wouldn’t cause allergic reactions (CIR 2014). Since the FDA has little legal power to regulate cosmetics ingredient safety, it has authorized the cosmetics industry to police itself through this CIR panel. The body’s recommendations are not legally binding on any company. In several decades, it has declared only 12 ingredients or chemical groups to be unsafe (CIR 2017).

EWG recommends that the FDA launch a more thorough investigation of the safety of all ingredients currently in sunscreens to ensure that none of them damage skin or cause other toxic effects in consumers.

https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with-sunscreen-chemicals/

 

[Renzokukenz]

Common Chemical Barriers in sunscreen

A table detailing some common Chemical Barriers in Sunscreen and their risks:
Higher the hazard score = more harmful (e.g hazard score of 8 do more harm to you than 6)

Source: https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with-sunscreen-chemicals/

 

[Renzokukenz]

Product Recommendations

Product Recommendations :

#1 DeVita, Solar Protective Moisturizer, SPF 30+

You can google all you want its ingredient list. I got into it because it has very safe ingredients. It seems chalky when you first apply it, but then you will realize as long as you don't rub the sunscreen into your face like an ointment, it will blend very well with your face and not leave any white cast.

I will still recommend this sunscreen but my only complaint is that its SPF can be higher and that you can't buy this in Singapore.

Pros:

• Safe Ingredients
• Relatively Cheap
• Grape Seed Extract

Cons:

• Does not seem to last long, needs re-application
• Unavailable in Singapore
• SPF factor can be higher
• Can get chalky if applied wrongly

Ingredients List for DeVita, Solar Protective Moisturizer, SPF 30+:
Micronized Zinc Oxide 19%, Aloe barbadensis* (aloe vera gel), purified water (aqua), capric/caprylic triglycerides (derived from coconut oil), glycerin (vegetable), hyaluronic acid (vegan source), glyceryl stearate SE (derived from vegetable oil), stearic acid, lecithin phospholipid, tocopherol† (vitamin E), allantoin, vitis vinifera* (grape) seed extract.

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#2 SHISEIDO Anessa Perfect UV Mild Milk HIGHLY RECOMMENDED

Do take note that this is the MILD MILK. This is the one without any alcohol. I would recommend the ones without alcohol (aka Mild Milk) over the other range (Milk)

Just personally bought this so I can't really give a review about it as of yet. But it seems promising because the ingredients they included are pretty safe.It is safe till the extent that the manufacturer is confident enough to tout it as safe for even babies.

Manufacturer's site: http://anessa.shiseido.co.jp/en/products/suncare/perfect_uv_mild/

Pros :

• Very Liquid and Lightweight for a mainly Physical Sunscreen
• High SPF Factor
• Very Water Resistant (claims to have survived 80 minutes bathing test)
• Safe Ingredients
• Aqua Booster Technology (see link here)
• Primer-like texture when dried / mattifies skin
• Non-sticky when dried (Shiseido is so confident of this they call it "sand-proof")

Cons :

• Not a PURE Physical barrier sunscreen

(though I find it hard to complain since the chemical barriers do not include the usual guilty suspects and also they are in a much lesser amount)

Though I wish I know if it's Broadspectrum or the % of zinc oxide it has.

Take note that when you just apply this, it seems very thick and liquid, but give it some time to dry (about 5 minutes) and it dries into a very matte finish and ends up being a very good primer-like texture. Also, shake well before each use.

This will be my sunscreen of choice at this given moment in time (May 2019) and I highly recommend this to all who are interested.
There is a catch though, you need to let it sit on your face to dry first before it turns into this perfect textured sunscreen. In my experience you need about 5 minutes to let it dry.

Full Ingredients list SHISEIDO Anessa Perfect UV Mild Milk

Full Ingredients list Anessa Perfect UV Mild Milk :
Cyclopentasiloxane, Zinc Oxide, Diisopropyl Sebacate, Methyl Methacrylate Crosspolymer, Water, Cetyl Ethylhexanoate, Pentaerythrityl Tetraethylhexanoate, Triethylhexanoin, Butylene Glycol, Diethylhexyl Succinate, Titanium Dioxide, Dimethicone, Glycerin, Polymethylsilsesquioxane, Dextrin Palmitate, Peg-9 Polydimethylsiloxyethyl, Dimethicone, Ethylhexyl Triazone, Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate, Disteardimonium Hectorite, Peg-10 Dimethicone, Aluminum Hydroxide, Stearic Acid, Silica, Trimethylsiloxysilicate, Bisethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine, Peg/PPG-14/7 Dimethyl Ether, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Chloride, Dipotassium Glycyrrhizate, Sodium Metabisulfite, Angelica Acutiloba Root Extract, Tocopherol, Thymus Serpyllum Extract, Rosa Roxburghii Fruit Extract, Sodium Hyaluronate

(I spent 30 minutes typing this because for some reason you can't find its ingredient list in formulation order (most to least) anywhere online.)

Again *take note* that this is the ingredient list for the Anessa Perfect UV Mild Milk. The non-Mild variant has more hazardous ingredients and a different formulation.

 

[Renzokukenz]

Good Alcohols VS Bad Alcohols

Alcohol in Skincare is bad for your skin
Avoid alcohols in your skincare products

You wouldn't think applying a hand sanitizer on your face is good for your skin would you? (hand sanitizers are made with more than 90% alcohol)

So why would you want to apply skincare products with alcohol in them in your skin?

Articles explaining why alcohols are bad for your skin

#1 https://www.truthinaging.com/review/alcohol-in-cosmetics-is-it-safe
#2 https://www.paulaschoice.com/expert...care-tips/alcohol-in-skin-care-the-facts.html
#3 https://blackpaint.sg/alcohol-in-skincare/#Why_is_Alcohol_Bad_for_Your_Skin

Why is Alcohol Bad for Your Skin?
Though alcohol in a skincare product may give you an initial cooling and refreshing feeling, it is bad for your skin when used in the long term. The following are some of the bad effects of alcohol on your skin:

Alcohol disrupts the skin’s barrier function
Prolonged use of formulations containing ethanol can harm the skin’s naturally protective sebum layer. This natural barrier helps protect the skin and prevents the entry of microbes, environmental pollutants and other irritants.

In a study published in The Journal of Hospital Infection, it was demonstrated that in medical professionals who often sanitized their hands with alcohol-based products, the healthy fat present in the barrier layer of their skin had been depleted as the alcohol had entered the skin. This made them prone to skin infections and skin irritation. It was found that replacing detergent cleansers with non-detergent hand soaps solved the issue.

Alcohol irritates the skin
According to a study done in 2008, the constant use of alcohol-based liquid hand cleansers can also irritate your skin and increase your risk of contact dermatitis. Moreover, the use of rubbing alcohol for disinfecting open wounds is discouraged as it has been found to delay skin healing. Iodine, sterile water or saline are better options for wound cleaning.

Alcohol has a drying effect on the skin
Alcohol has hygroscopic properties so it extracts water from the skin. It has been found that moisturizing creams containing ethanol initially moisturize your skin; however, on repeated application, the ethanol in these creams dries your skin further and you are forced to use more and more of the cream to prevent skin drying.

If the alcohol content in your formulation is 5% or less, it may not dry your skin as this small amount of alcohol evaporates as you apply the formulation.

Alcohol can cause the death of skin cells and harm the skin
In a 2002 study published in the journal Alcohol, alcohol was reported to cause the death of skin cells by activating an inflammatory response in them. Cultured skin cells were treated with different concentrations of ethanol and it was found that ethanol, even at low concentrations, has the potential to damage skin cells. Further, the higher the dose of alcohol and the longer the time of exposure the more damage was caused to these cells.

Another 2010 study published in the journal Clinical Biochemistry reported similar findings that alcohol can cause the death of skin cells.

Alcohol can aggravate acne symptoms
In a research study, it was shown that conventional formulations used to treat acne contain alcohol, which can worsen acne symptoms. What alcohol does here is

Help kill the microbes on the affected skin and remove excess oil from the skin. Its astringent properties can help shrink and tighten the skin pores.
Removes the excess oil from the skin by dissolving it.
However, it doesn’t differentiate between good and bad oils and it also removes the nutritious oils from the skin, thus stripping the skin of nutrition. Moreover, these oils help protect your skin from microbes, pollutants and irritants. Due to the removal of these oils, your acne can actually get worse over time. Alcohol causes dryness and skin irritation, leading to more oil production, which results in the clogging of skin pores; thereby, worsening your acne.

Source: https://blackpaint.sg/alcohol-in-skincare/#Why_is_Alcohol_Bad_for_Your_Skin

TL : DR

Good Alcohols (alcohols that are acceptable) :

• Cetyl Alcohol
• Stearyl Alcohol
• Cetearyl Alcohol
• Any other fatty alcohols*

*fatty alcohols are cream-like in texture

Bad Alcohols (alcohols to be avoided) :

• ethanol
• denatured alcohol
• ethyl alcohol
• methanol
• benzyl alcohol
• isopropyl alcohol
• sd alcohol

This list is non-exhaustive
alcohols that are harmful to the skin are very watery in texture


A video that talks about risky ingredients. A panel of 6 experts consisting of real doctors (dermatologist) and product formulators. Not to mention this YouTube channel is very reputable and the presenter herself is an expert on skincare.

Controversial Skincare Ingredients: Experts Weigh In | Beauty with Susan Yara

Scroll to 11 minutes 13 seconds for comment on alcohol
5 minutes 10 seconds on Silicones (personally I have no issues with silicones)​

Conclusion when it comes to alcohol: Alcohol is bad for the skin, it is as certain as the fact that the Earth is round
don't believe me? Apply hand sanitizer on your face day and night for 2 months and see what happens to you

 

[Ourdaytwo]

personally i use kiehls sunblock, pretty awesome as i had oily and sensitive skin. after use wont have itchy skin

 

[Renzokukenz]

personally i use kiehls sunblock, pretty awesome as i had oily and sensitive skin. after use wont have itchy skin

I have taken a look at it here :

https://www.kiehls.com.sg/skincare/category/sun-care/ultra-light-daily-uv-defense-aqua-gel-spf-50/

with its full ingredients list here:
https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?setid=7ae457b6-3f98-400b-9e9f-826156d4b2d0

seems not bad. and also it does not contain those guilty suspect chemical barriers

$56 for 30ml seems somewhat pricey though
But I heard they have secret discounts for loyal customers once in a while

 

[Renzokukenz]

Some recommendations from a reputable YouTube channel

 

[Renzokukenz]

Many technical terms and science behind the different UV lights and how sunscreen affects them.

This is a very technical video.
You do not have to watch this if you are not interested to find out how it all works.

Video Creator has a Ph.D. and is reputable

This video is very technical even for someone like me who has been reading up on such stuff.
I need to re-watch this a few times haha

Key pointers about the "Broadspectrum" claims and how different countries regulate them

EU and Australia are more strict when it comes to "Broadspectrum" claims.
This means you can rest assured that a Broadspectrum sunscreen in EU/AUS does what it claims to do effectively

 

[Renzokukenz]

Date : 30 May 2019

Beyond all the science and theories , here’s someone testing if the sunscreens actually work by brand

Mothership: Chinese cosmetic inspector simultaneously tests out 18 different sunscreens on human subject

https://mothership.sg/2019/05/18-sunscreens-human-body/

 

[vbhelper]

if i want to suntan to be darker and protect my skin from aging by UV rays, is there such sunscreen?

 

[helloamberchan]

try the Chanel sunscreen. damn shiok one

 

[Renzokukenz]

if i want to suntan to be darker and protect my skin from aging by UV rays, is there such sunscreen?

get suntanning oils

get sunblock will defeat the purpose because you need the UVB to get the tan, but that doesn't mean you should let your skin be roasted dry in the sun, that's where suntanning oil comes in

 

[Renzokukenz]

try the Chanel sunscreen. damn shiok one

CHANEL UV Essentiel Multi-Protection Daily Defense Sunscreen Anti-Pollution Broad Spectrum SPF 50
Ingredient list:

Active Ingredients: zinc oxide 19, Octinoxate 7.5 Titanium Dioxide 2.5 Inactive Ingredients: cyclopentaxiloxane, zinc oxide (19) , aqua, ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate (7.5), alchohol denat, isononyl isonanoate, dipropyleneglcol, glycerin, neopenthyl glycol dicaprate, polymethilsilsesquioxane, polymethyl methacrylate, dimeticone, triethoxycaprylylsilane, PEG-9polydimethylsiloxethl dimethicone, propylene glycol, thocopheryi acetate, butyleneglycol, parfum, hydrolyzed wheat protein, mannitol, dimethicone/vinyl dimethicone crosspolymere, methylparabean, glycogen, panax ginseng root extract, aesculus hippocastanum eed exract, tilia cordata wood extract, trimethoxycaprylylsilane, sodium citrate, sodium hyaluronate, chlorphenesin, Faex,bht, peg -40 hydrogenated castor oil, glycyrrhiza glabra extract, phenoxyethanol, calcium panthothenate, biotin, butylparaben, ethylparaben, propylparaben, titanium dioxide.

it has denatured alcohol, one of the TOP SKINCARE NO NO

denatured alcohol, ethanol and all forms of NON-fatty alcohols literally thins the skin overtime with prolong use.

Please pay attention to that.
Alcohol in such products also makes the product feels watery.
So you are sacrificing your skin's health for the light texture

This is why it is so challenging to make a responsible and good skincare sunscreen because you can't just add alcohol into your product and advertise it as good for the skin. it's very irresponsible

Google "Alcohol in Skincare" , or you can read this link here:
https://www.paulaschoice.com/expert...care-tips/alcohol-in-skin-care-the-facts.html

The research is clear: Alcohol harms your skin’s protective surface, depletes vital substances needed for healthy skin, and makes oily skin worse. To put it simply, it’s pro-aging. Given the hundreds of skin-friendly alternatives that are available, it’s a no-brainer to abstain from products front-loaded with the skin damaging forms of alcohol.

TL: DR: Manufacturers add shortcut ingredients that are bad for the skin when used in the long-run
TL: DR: Avoid Skincare products with alcohol

 

[Renzokukenz]

try the Chanel sunscreen. damn shiok one

regardless of whether it is a toner, moisturizer, sunscreen or others
there are certain ingredients which should be left out of your skincare

alcohol is like a shortcut manufacturers use
it is bad for the skin

watch this video for more info:

 

[harky]

i using BIORE:Aqua Rich Watery Essence SPF50.

I most likely will stick to this brand.
I tried few brand, most are oily; sticky or thick. This one is light, not oily; sticky & thick. Love it.
https://www.skincarisma.com/product...essence-spf50-pa-2017-version/ingredient_list

 

[Renzokukenz]

i using BIORE:Aqua Rich Watery Essence SPF50.

I most likely will stick to this brand.
I tried few brand, most are oily; sticky or thick. This one is light, not oily; sticky & thick. Love it.
https://www.skincarisma.com/product...essence-spf50-pa-2017-version/ingredient_list

oooooo seems not bad and I went to read up on it
but have you tried the SHISEIDO Anessa Perfect UV Mild Milk ??

somehow give me the idea that both are very similar products hahaha


seems like the Japanese brands are at the frontier of the sunscreen game right now

 

[harky]

no le... i check ur one.. so ex ah

I think Shiseido Hada Senka Mineral Water Perfect UV Gel SPF50 is more similar to BIORE Aqua
But than, BIORE Aqua seen to be more popular.

oooooo seems not bad and I went to read up on it
but have you tried the SHISEIDO Anessa Perfect UV Mild Milk ??

somehow give me the idea that both are very similar products hahaha


seems like the Japanese brands are at the frontier of the sunscreen game right now

 

[Renzokukenz]

no le... i check ur one.. so ex ah

I think Shiseido Hada Senka Mineral Water Perfect UV Gel SPF50 is more similar to BIORE Aqua
But than, BIORE Aqua seen to be more popular.

The Shiseido Hada Senka Mineral Water Perfect UV Gel SPF50 you mentioned have the chemical filters that i avoid at all cost. also alcohol

ActiveIngredients: octinoxate, octocrylene, parsol SLX, zinc oxide, ensulizole & Uvinul A plus Cyclomethicone, water, isododecane, ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate, alcohol, vinyl dimethicone/methicone silsesquioxane crosspolymer, octocrylene, polysilicone-15, zinc oxide, PPG-17, PEG-9 dolydimethylsiloxyethyl dimethicone, sorbitan sesquiisostearate, sucrose tetrastearate triacetate, polymethylsilsesquioxane, phenylbenzimidazole sulfonic acid, diethylamino hydroxybenzoyl hexyl benzoate, aminomethyl propanediol, sodium chloride, calcium chloride, talc, dimethicone, glycerin, isostearic acid, triethyloxycapriylylsilane, trisodium EDTA, orange, BHT

Your BIORE Aqua better than the Shiseido Hada
cause no alcohol and bad chemical UV filters.

The SHISEIDO Anessa Perfect UV Mild Milk (which I recommend) cost about $32 during Watson Discount. I think it is a reasonable price cause its very liquid and you can use it for a very long time

heehee when Watson got discount ($32) please go try
but your Biore one looks not bad and it fulfills all my criteria

 

[Wishdom]

I've been using etude house sunprise lotion. Physical sunscreen spf50+ pa+++

Pretty decent finish with even better price at <10 for 55ml.

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