Genting FAQ - Part 3

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As long as you stick to the basic strategy on a 6-deck Spanish 21, you lower house edge to ~ 0.4%.

Whatever other players do, does not affect your edge. A simple google search would have yielded you such results.

If you are lazy, let me help you out.

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Care to elaborate?

Its always easier to pin the blame on the lousy player who "kill" your hands with his lousy play, than to acknowledge that your loss is attributable to variability. Blackjack is an independent game (i.e. its not a team game), whatever card that other players take has no effect whatsoever on your hand.

It does not matter even if another player split his 10's, it does not affect the probabilities on your hand.

Have a read on Edward Thorpe's book. Your long held myth ought to be debunked today.

Sounds like you have read about BJ and Basic Strategy.
You go a long way back when you mention Edward Thorpe.
Yes it is all about Basic Strategy which is all Maths and not Guidelines.

'Its always easier to pin the blame on the lousy player who "kill" your hands with his lousy play, than to acknowledge that your loss is attributable to variability. Blackjack is an independent game (i.e. its not a team game), whatever card that other players take has no effect whatsoever on your hand.'

How to answer this. BJ is the only game where how you play your card affect other player's cards including the Dealer. So if you do not play the way that some other players think is the correct play then you have 'kill' their cards. In my 20 years of playing BJ unfortunately most players see BJ as a 'team game'. So I have been insulted,scolded and threaten. So I and many of my friends have not played BJ for long periods of time because of this.

I would be most happy if other players would just let me play my Basic Strategy.
I never really watch how the other players play. I just play perfect BS and with the HA of 0.65% and the Comps I get from the casino I am really playing for free and for fun.
 

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Then no point if they are going to stop people who go daily.
I buy season buy the unwritten is i cannot go daily :s22:



If u hv read abt past incidences involving "advantage" players around the world - it's well understood that any casino in the world can bar u from entering/ playing in their premises as and when they deem u r an "advantage" player - even if u r really so damn lucky to win so frequently and not really depending on any "system".

Thus, over here it's not really a long-shot to think that casinos here having similar practices albeit under the pretext of certain regulatory rules (for the good/well-being of casino patrons :s8:)...the "subtle & diplomatic" approach :D
 

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As long as you stick to the basic strategy on a 6-deck Spanish 21, you lower house edge to ~ 0.4%.

Whatever other players do, does not affect your edge. A simple google search would have yielded you such results.

If you are lazy, let me help you out.

Google

Wow. Spanish 21, where are you coming from. We call it Pontoon here.
Pontoon is a carnival game, meaning fun game.

Unfortunately the BS is not widely known and difficult to play correctly because of the many ways to play it. The best BS here is by an Australian lady Katellen (something). If you want to tract her down you have to Google Spanish 21 which is the US version of the game.
 

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Wahahaha
Heard that.

At least i dont earn much from them. Def not a whale. A few thousands a month would be under the radar.

If u hv read abt past incidences involving "advantage" players around the world - it's well understood that any casino in the world can bar u from entering/ playing in their premises as and when they deem u r an "advantage" player - even if u r really so damn lucky to win so frequently and not really depending on any "system".

Thus, over here it's not really a long-shot to think that casinos here having similar practices albeit under the pretext of certain regulatory rules (for the good/well-being of casino patrons :s8:)...the "subtle & diplomatic" approach :D
 

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The statement in red is factually not right. :s13:

Nonetheless, thanks for all the tips !

Paul Lee is correct. You are wrong.

Actually, Bro smilingbuddha is right to say that the statement is factually wrong.

I guess I did not phase it correctly. :)

What I mean to say is that sometimes when you hit (or dun hit), the other players may think you should do otherwise.

eg. someone hit with 15 (within the rule) got a 10 and bust. Next player got a 11 but hit a small card and eventually bust out. In this example, the next player may feel that if the player with 15 did not hit, he would have hit a 21.

Most will accept Bro Smarty2's view that it's playing by the rules of the games. And other players should usually accept it.

Now imagine the guy drawing 15 bet min and the next player bet a few hundred. You can see how problematic things can escalate. And like I say, I have seen it quite frequently actually.

Ah.. but I have just been catching up on bros smilingbuddha and JohnTKS posts and it seems that both are seasoned players who probably understood what I mean in the first place.

So this clarification is ultimately unnecessary. :s13:

And bro JohnTKS's experience of being insulted, scolded and threaten is what I have witnessed many times in the casinos.

The theory is always great and all but the practical reality is another matter altogether. Science and mathematics is a beautiful thing and it does explain many things in life.

Unfortunately, human emotion is not something that can be computed or explain with a string of equations. And all of us are not as logical as we think. If we are, casinos would never exist in the first place. :s22:
 
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Now imagine the guy drawing 15 bet min and the next player bet a few hundred. You can see how problematic things can escalate. And like I say, I have seen it quite frequently actually.

People always remember the times when another player's "stupid" play causes them to lose a hand. They forget the times when that same player's "stupid" play causes them to win a hand that they would otherwise have lost. On average, the incidence tends to be about the same which is why that player's "stupid" play has no effect on you.
 

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Tats why many a time u see a lone player having the whole table to himself...bcuz the aim is to win $$ & not necessarily to play according to some so-called widely accepted/established "guidelines"...in short - whatever decision u make is a means to an end as long it's allowed by the dealer....well if u can win why not?******************

You tend to lose more if you play as a lone player. This is because the time to play 1 hand decreases dramatically. If you are grinding for points, it is best to play at crowded tables, preferably with newbies who don't know the rules well and take more time to play. It also helps if the dealer is new and takes more time to deal / payout.
 
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You tend to lose more if you play as a lone player. This is because the time to play 1 hand decreases dramatically. If you are grinding for points, it is best to play at crowded tables, preferably with newbies who don't know the rules well and take more time to play. It also helps if the dealer is new and takes more time to deal / payout.

Correct. According to the well known Stanford Wong 1 to 1 with the dealer speed of play is 360 rounds per hour. At a full table it is 60 rounds per hour.
 

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Hi pple, may i ask is there a shortcut from First World Hotel to Resort Hotel B5?
i saw in older threads pple mentioned it's about 15min walk (indoor linkway),
and someone else mentioned First World Hotel to Arena of Stars also about 15min walk (saying Resort Hotel is v near to Arena of Stars),
but i know the shortcut from FWH to Arena of Stars (go out from FWM main entrance and walk by the roadside across, within few min can reach Arena of Stars),
so is this shortcut gonna lead me to Resort Hotel faster?
Thanks alot.

Just opposite is resort B5, but be careful of traffic.
 

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You tend to lose more if you play as a lone player. This is because the time to play 1 hand decreases dramatically. If you are grinding for points, it is best to play at crowded tables, preferably with newbies who don't know the rules well and take more time to play. It also helps if the dealer is new and takes more time to deal / payout.

I tend to like playing at my own leisurely pace...but i hv seen on many occasions b4 - u might think logically u hv more time on hand - therefore u can "calculate/ analyse" more "carefully" and therefore "accurately"...but in this game of probability... it's not always true u will win more hands by taking yr sweet time to analyse...

Some ppl just hv the luck, they even luv to play at a fast pace...and they ended up leaving with stacks of winnings and u can only feel luck is the dominating factor no matter how good u r at blackjack or pontoon. When luck is with u, everything else including time/ speed matters the least...😁
 
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I tend to like playing at my own leisurely pace...but i hv seen on many occasions b4 - u might think logically u hv more time on hand - therefore u can "calculate/ analyse" more "carefully" and therefore "accurately"...but in this game of probability... it's not always true u will win more hands by taking yr sweet time to analyse...

Some ppl just hv the luck, they even luv to play at a fast pace...and they ended up leaving with stacks of winnings and u can only feel luck is the dominating factor no matter how good u r at blackjack or pontoon. When luck is with u, everything else including time/ speed matters the least...��

With luck on your side, whatever techniques (proven or not proven) can be thrown aside. :s13::s13::s13:
 

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People always remember the times when another player's "stupid" play causes them to lose a hand. They forget the times when that same player's "stupid" play causes them to win a hand that they would otherwise have lost. On average, the incidence tends to be about the same which is why that player's "stupid" play has no effect on you.

That is true! What you spoke of is the science and maths behind the game.

But human perception would be otherwise.

It also one thing to talk about it here when you have no money at stake.

It's another when you are sitting at the table with money at stake, and that bugger (ie stupid player) keep 'causing' you to bust! :s13:
 

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Just opposite is resort B5, but be careful of traffic.

At least now they installed a Zebra crossing to facilitate pedestrian crossing from B5 to TPH and vice versa.

And IIRC there are humps to slow traffic before the crossing.

Of cos, that does not mean you do not need to look out for traffic but it looks a lot safer to cross now than previously without the crossing.
 

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Wahahaha
Heard that.

At least i dont earn much from them. Def not a whale. A few thousands a month would be under the radar.



Time is bad and casino revenue is shrinking bro...with tat in mind, they r sensitive to even slightest signs tat they consider as "red-flags"...if u r one of those damn lucky ones who wins eg.8/10...logically speaking if yr hit rate is so good - can win $100 and run, it's a matter of time - at least fr the casino point of view, tat u can also potentially up the unit size by 10 or 100X.

The very fact they can't figure out why u so lucky or how yr "system" works - even if it's non-existent, they still won't take the chance to wait till it impacts their bottom lines....tats why some hit n run punters dun even want to throw their member-cards...just as a precaution...but still it doesn't mean it's out of their radar...
 
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Unfortunately the BS is not widely known and difficult to play correctly because of the many ways to play it. The best BS here is by an Australian lady Katellen (something). If you want to tract her down you have to Google Spanish 21 which is the US version of the game.

The book that Bro JohnTKS is referring to is The Pro's Guide to Spanish 21 and Australian Pontoon By Katarina Walker

Here a link for anyone interested in the book >> http://bit.ly/30UyhVh
 

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Most regulars in casino have a tendency to double up their bets during winning streaks.... nevertheless, those wise ones will revert bck to original lower betting units as precaution...u won't know when yr winning streak will end...so better to defend yr winnings towards tail-end of a dragon...still follow the dragon but just be more cautious bet-size wise..

Smarty2..yes..me n kaki not using martingale method..we just stop betting when we feel dragon is stopping..and we don’t double up like mad man when we are losing or winning.just conservative betting based on feelings,not trends.
 

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Actually i dont throw... cos hit and run.
Pass the card for one hand and take back? :s13:

Anyway even if I win $6000 a month i dont think it will cause an alarm at RWS

Time is bad and casino revenue is shrinking bro...with tat in mind, they r sensitive to even slightest signs tat they consider as "red-flags"...if u r one of those damn lucky ones who wins eg.8/10...logically speaking if yr hit rate is so good - can win $100 and run, it's a matter of time - at least fr the casino point of view, tat u can also potentially up the unit size by 10 or 100X.

The very fact they can't figure out why u so lucky or how yr "system" works - even if it's non-existent, they still won't take the chance to wait till it impacts their bottom lines....tats why some hit n run punters dun even want to throw their member-cards...just as a precaution...but still it doesn't mean it's out of their radar...

 
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