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Old 05-05-2020, 12:24 PM   #31
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When will it be available for purchase?
no news. surprisingly lion city is not in the first batch list for the new macbook pro 13-inch.
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Old 05-05-2020, 01:52 PM   #32
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also btw, keep in mind if you are after performance and want the best in thermals, the 4 thunderbolt model is alot different internally compared to the 2 thunderbolt model.

This is the internals of the 2 thunderbolt model


This is the internals of the 4 thunderbolt model


The 4 thunderbolt model have better speakers, better thermals, bigger battery (though the battery is very small in difference from 54.5w to 58w) and if im not wrong better microphones.

Additionally, the CPU in these devices are different in terms of their wattage. the 2 thunderbolt model is only 15watts vs the 25-28watts on the 4 thunderbolt models. This equals more performance, thats why the 2 thuderbolt model starts at 1.4ghz processor vs the 2.0ghz on the 4thunderbolt models

The better thermals is NOT just because of the 2 fans, but the chassis design too. If you are familiar with the 2012-2015 retinas, the bottom of the macbook pro theres 2 slits at the edges for additional airflow.


The 2 thunderbolt port macbook pro is more reminiscent of the macbook air. The intake and exhaust is all in the hinge of the macbook.

I hope this helps your purchase decision when it comes to the pros. I returned my 2020 macbook air due to the heat issues i was facing with the laptop. If you are contemplating a macbook air instead of the pro. It really depends on what you will be doing/your workflow. The macbook air is fine if you are using just for spotify, social media, emails, netflix. But thats it. Anything more it will start to heat up and the fans will kick in. High temperatures and loud fan noises is what made me return it. Now with how we are working from home due to covid-19, i noticed the computer start to stutter with just video call and safari and maybe my word application open. When I tried to screen share, the laptop just slows to a crawl with the fans at max speed and temps at 100 degrees.

If you really want the air, get the base model with i3, at SGD$1,449 for a modern 2020 macbook, its a good deal. the i3 version has better thermals compared to the i5. If you do pick the i5, its already at SGD$1,599. I would really recommend you to get the base model macbook pro for SGD$1,799. The thermals alone is worth it imo. Dont be fooled by the spec sheet of the macbook air with its 10th generation i5, that i5 processor performs worse compared to the 8th generation i5s found in the macbook pro due to the thermal constraints of the macbook air.

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Old 05-05-2020, 02:52 PM   #33
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no news. surprisingly lion city is not in the first batch list for the new macbook pro 13-inch.
I guess should be very soon. The MacBook Air is available for order within 24 hours or so after announcement.
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Old 05-05-2020, 03:01 PM   #34
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@MilgaussSC very good info
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Old 05-05-2020, 05:13 PM   #35
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also btw, keep in mind if you are after performance and want the best in thermals, the 4 thunderbolt model is alot different internally compared to the 2 thunderbolt model.

This is the internals of the 2 thunderbolt model


This is the internals of the 4 thunderbolt model


The 4 thunderbolt model have better speakers, better thermals, bigger battery (though the battery is very small in difference from 54.5w to 58w) and if im not wrong better microphones.

Additionally, the CPU in these devices are different in terms of their wattage. the 2 thunderbolt model is only 15watts vs the 25-28watts on the 4 thunderbolt models. This equals more performance, thats why the 2 thuderbolt model starts at 1.4ghz processor vs the 2.0ghz on the 4thunderbolt models

The better thermals is NOT just because of the 2 fans, but the chassis design too. If you are familiar with the 2012-2015 retinas, the bottom of the macbook pro theres 2 slits at the edges for additional airflow.


The 2 thunderbolt port macbook pro is more reminiscent of the macbook air. The intake and exhaust is all in the hinge of the macbook.

I hope this helps your purchase decision when it comes to the pros. I returned my 2020 macbook air due to the heat issues i was facing with the laptop. If you are contemplating a macbook air instead of the pro. It really depends on what you will be doing/your workflow. The macbook air is fine if you are using just for spotify, social media, emails, netflix. But thats it. Anything more it will start to heat up and the fans will kick in. High temperatures and loud fan noises is what made me return it. Now with how we are working from home due to covid-19, i noticed the computer start to stutter with just video call and safari and maybe my word application open. When I tried to screen share, the laptop just slows to a crawl with the fans at max speed and temps at 100 degrees.

If you really want the air, get the base model with i3, at SGD$1,449 for a modern 2020 macbook, its a good deal. the i3 version has better thermals compared to the i5. If you do pick the i5, its already at SGD$1,599. I would really recommend you to get the base model macbook pro for SGD$1,799. The thermals alone is worth it imo. Dont be fooled by the spec sheet of the macbook air with its 10th generation i5, that i5 processor performs worse compared to the 8th generation i5s found in the macbook pro due to the thermal constraints of the macbook air.
one of the best posts i've seen in this forum in YEARS. kudos man!
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Old 05-05-2020, 09:12 PM   #36
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also btw, keep in mind if you are after performance and want the best in thermals, the 4 thunderbolt model is alot different internally compared to the 2 thunderbolt model.

The 4 thunderbolt model have better speakers, better thermals, bigger battery (though the battery is very small in difference from 54.5w to 58w) and if im not wrong better microphones.

Additionally, the CPU in these devices are different in terms of their wattage. the 2 thunderbolt model is only 15watts vs the 25-28watts on the 4 thunderbolt models. This equals more performance, thats why the 2 thuderbolt model starts at 1.4ghz processor vs the 2.0ghz on the 4thunderbolt models

The better thermals is NOT just because of the 2 fans, but the chassis design too. If you are familiar with the 2012-2015 retinas, the bottom of the macbook pro theres 2 slits at the edges for additional airflow.

The 2 thunderbolt port macbook pro is more reminiscent of the macbook air. The intake and exhaust is all in the hinge of the macbook.

I hope this helps your purchase decision when it comes to the pros. I returned my 2020 macbook air due to the heat issues i was facing with the laptop. If you are contemplating a macbook air instead of the pro. It really depends on what you will be doing/your workflow. The macbook air is fine if you are using just for spotify, social media, emails, netflix. But thats it. Anything more it will start to heat up and the fans will kick in. High temperatures and loud fan noises is what made me return it. Now with how we are working from home due to covid-19, i noticed the computer start to stutter with just video call and safari and maybe my word application open. When I tried to screen share, the laptop just slows to a crawl with the fans at max speed and temps at 100 degrees.

If you really want the air, get the base model with i3, at SGD$1,449 for a modern 2020 macbook, its a good deal. the i3 version has better thermals compared to the i5. If you do pick the i5, its already at SGD$1,599. I would really recommend you to get the base model macbook pro for SGD$1,799. The thermals alone is worth it imo. Dont be fooled by the spec sheet of the macbook air with its 10th generation i5, that i5 processor performs worse compared to the 8th generation i5s found in the macbook pro due to the thermal constraints of the macbook air.
Thanks for the insightful post.

I ordered the MBA with i5 and am returning it because of the constant high temps (100C) and more than >8000 rpm fan noise. I have attempted to use turbo switcher to turn off turbo boost but the program does not work all the time. This is based on just using light surfing of internet (Youtube) and playing videos and the fan speed and temps will go up.

May I know which MBP are you planning to get? Will you be getting the 10th gen 13 inch MBP for the better thermals? My concern is that the 8th gen 13 inch MBP may have similar thermal issues like the MBA.
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Old 05-05-2020, 09:36 PM   #37
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Thanks for the insightful post.

I ordered the MBA with i5 and am returning it because of the constant high temps (100C) and more than >8000 rpm fan noise. I have attempted to use turbo switcher to turn off turbo boost but the program does not work all the time. This is based on just using light surfing of internet (Youtube) and playing videos and the fan speed and temps will go up.

May I know which MBP are you planning to get? Will you be getting the 10th gen 13 inch MBP for the better thermals? My concern is that the 8th gen 13 inch MBP may have similar thermal issues like the MBA.
were u using Safari or other browser?
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Old 05-05-2020, 09:45 PM   #38
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Thanks for the insightful post.

I ordered the MBA with i5 and am returning it because of the constant high temps (100C) and more than >8000 rpm fan noise. I have attempted to use turbo switcher to turn off turbo boost but the program does not work all the time. This is based on just using light surfing of internet (Youtube) and playing videos and the fan speed and temps will go up.

May I know which MBP are you planning to get? Will you be getting the 10th gen 13 inch MBP for the better thermals? My concern is that the 8th gen 13 inch MBP may have similar thermal issues like the MBA.
I will be getting the 10th gen variant. Either with 16gb ram, 512gb and i7, or the 16gb ram, 1tb and i5. I’m waiting on reviews for the i5 vs i7. I want a laptop to last me 4 years minimum. My old 15 inch 2015 lasted me 4 years++ without any issues.

As for you concern, there are plenty of reviews of the 8th gen variant. Just search 2019 13inch base model MacBook Pro 13. Many YouTube videos of it. It’s essentially the same laptop only with the removal of the butterfly keys and double the storage
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Old 05-05-2020, 10:27 PM   #39
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I will be getting the 10th gen variant. Either with 16gb ram, 512gb and i7, or the 16gb ram, 1tb and i5. Iím waiting on reviews for the i5 vs i7. I want a laptop to last me 4 years minimum. My old 15 inch 2015 lasted me 4 years++ without any issues.

As for you concern, there are plenty of reviews of the 8th gen variant. Just search 2019 13inch base model MacBook Pro 13. Many YouTube videos of it. Itís essentially the same laptop only with the removal of the butterfly keys and double the storage
i'm wondering if apple will pull the same stunt they did last year....release a 15" in and then the 16" in nov.

i am in the market for a new laptop and like you i'm just keeping an eye out on the reviews in the days to come....really wished the rumours were true about the 14"
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Old 05-05-2020, 10:31 PM   #40
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were u using Safari or other browser?
I am using Chrome. I have also read that many people that doesn't face the thermal and fan issues while using Safari. However, if my i5 MBA cannot handle basic Youtube in Chrome or playing videos (requiring constant 100C and >8000rpm fan speeds), then I am not sure if I should continue using it (perhaps my MBA is a faulty set, or Chrome is the culprit here).

There was also one night where the fan kept running at full speed (the noise is evidently loud) despite the lid being closed (I believe I only had the Chrome browser kept open).

Like many others, I decided to ignore the fan noise and use it for a few days but it gets annoying at times even at low or mild usage of web browsing (no gaming or photo/video editing on the MBA). After using the MBA for 14 days, I guess returning the MBA would be the best option. I have 3 other older Macbooks (2 Macbook Pros and 1 Macbook) and never experienced such loud fan speed noises for simple or light use of applications.

The i3 MBA may fare better from fan noise and thermal issues, but I can't comment personally since I don't own one. Planning to replace the MBA with the new 13 MBP, hopefully I won't face similar thermal/fan noise issues.

I will be getting the 10th gen variant. Either with 16gb ram, 512gb and i7, or the 16gb ram, 1tb and i5. Iím waiting on reviews for the i5 vs i7. I want a laptop to last me 4 years minimum. My old 15 inch 2015 lasted me 4 years++ without any issues.

As for you concern, there are plenty of reviews of the 8th gen variant. Just search 2019 13inch base model MacBook Pro 13. Many YouTube videos of it. Itís essentially the same laptop only with the removal of the butterfly keys and double the storage
Same here, will also wait for more reviews to come out. My main concern is with the thermals and fan noise issues, hopefully this ain't the problem with the improved thermals of the MBP as compared to the MBA.
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I am using Chrome. I have also read that many people that doesn't face the thermal and fan issues while using Safari. However, if my i5 MBA cannot handle basic Youtube in Chrome or playing videos (requiring constant 100C and >8000rpm fan speeds), then I am not sure if I should continue using it (perhaps my MBA is a faulty set, or Chrome is the culprit here).

There was also one night where the fan kept running at full speed (the noise is evidently loud) despite the lid being closed (I believe I only had the Chrome browser kept open).

Like many others, I decided to ignore the fan noise and use it for a few days but it gets annoying at times even at low or mild usage of web browsing (no gaming or photo/video editing on the MBA). After using the MBA for 14 days, I guess returning the MBA would be the best option. I have 3 other older Macbooks (2 Macbook Pros and 1 Macbook) and never experienced such loud fan speed noises for simple or light use of applications.

The i3 MBA may fare better from fan noise and thermal issues, but I can't comment personally since I don't own one. Planning to replace the MBA with the new 13 MBP, hopefully I won't face similar thermal/fan noise issues.



Same here, will also wait for more reviews to come out. My main concern is with the thermals and fan noise issues, hopefully, this ain't the problem with the improved thermals of the MBP as compared to the MBA.
Yup, I pretty much experience the same thing as you. I understand what Apple is doing with the macbook air cooling design, the fan is NOT a CPU fan, its more of a case fan. Think of an exhaust fan at the back of a tower desktop. However, I can't help but feel that a heat pipe would have been so much better. But what do I know.

I want a macbook that will last me 3 - 5 more years, with the air always at 70 - 100 degrees constantly, I doubt it will last that long. Also, I thought I could tolerate the fan noise too. Initially, I was I thought the fan was not too bad. But after a while, when I'm just video calling and browsing on safari, the fans are at 5000 - 7000rpm. It's just annoying. Also, I experienced that issue with you where I closed the lid overnight. The next morning when I woke it up, it was uncomfortably hot. I only had discord and safari open. That's it.

Another thing I would like to mention is regarding touch id on the macbook air. It doesn't work half the time!! I don't know if it's just my unit or what, but touch id on it is really hit or miss. Maybe the thing is just stuttering or something and struggling to keep up with processes.
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also btw, keep in mind if you are after performance and want the best in thermals, the 4 thunderbolt model is alot different internally compared to the 2 thunderbolt model.

This is the internals of the 2 thunderbolt model


This is the internals of the 4 thunderbolt model


The 4 thunderbolt model have better speakers, better thermals, bigger battery (though the battery is very small in difference from 54.5w to 58w) and if im not wrong better microphones.

Additionally, the CPU in these devices are different in terms of their wattage. the 2 thunderbolt model is only 15watts vs the 25-28watts on the 4 thunderbolt models. This equals more performance, thats why the 2 thuderbolt model starts at 1.4ghz processor vs the 2.0ghz on the 4thunderbolt models

The better thermals is NOT just because of the 2 fans, but the chassis design too. If you are familiar with the 2012-2015 retinas, the bottom of the macbook pro theres 2 slits at the edges for additional airflow.


The 2 thunderbolt port macbook pro is more reminiscent of the macbook air. The intake and exhaust is all in the hinge of the macbook.

I hope this helps your purchase decision when it comes to the pros. I returned my 2020 macbook air due to the heat issues i was facing with the laptop. If you are contemplating a macbook air instead of the pro. It really depends on what you will be doing/your workflow. The macbook air is fine if you are using just for spotify, social media, emails, netflix. But thats it. Anything more it will start to heat up and the fans will kick in. High temperatures and loud fan noises is what made me return it. Now with how we are working from home due to covid-19, i noticed the computer start to stutter with just video call and safari and maybe my word application open. When I tried to screen share, the laptop just slows to a crawl with the fans at max speed and temps at 100 degrees.

If you really want the air, get the base model with i3, at SGD$1,449 for a modern 2020 macbook, its a good deal. the i3 version has better thermals compared to the i5. If you do pick the i5, its already at SGD$1,599. I would really recommend you to get the base model macbook pro for SGD$1,799. The thermals alone is worth it imo. Dont be fooled by the spec sheet of the macbook air with its 10th generation i5, that i5 processor performs worse compared to the 8th generation i5s found in the macbook pro due to the thermal constraints of the macbook air.
hey you mention that the internal of 2 Thunderbolt model of mbp look similiar to the mba, then why do advise to go for the mbp instead of the mba when it cost more? won't it have the same thermal issue if that's the case?

i got until the 9 May to decide whether to return my i5 mba 2020 lol.

touch id is working fine for me. i use brave browser instead of safari and chrome.
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hey you mention that the internal of 2 Thunderbolt model of mbp look similiar to the mba, then why do advise to go for the mbp instead of the mba when it cost more? won't it have the same thermal issue if that's the case?

i got until the 9 May to decide whether to return my i5 mba 2020 lol.

touch id is working fine for me. i use brave browser instead of safari and chrome.
The cooling in terms of exhaust and intake is similar. The intake and exhaust are both at the hinge. HOWEVER, the 13inch 2 thunderbolt port has a heatpipe connected to the heatsink. Makes a big difference.

The 4 thunderbolt model intakes air from the slots at the bottom of the chassis and exhausts it at the hinge.

If letís say youíre happy with your i5 air, you can keep it. There are use cases where the i5 makes sense. $200 is quite substantial in savings. You might not need the additional performance from the pros. If youíd like to know more about the $1,799 pro, check reviews of the 2019 MacBook Pro.

Hereís a comparison of the MacBook Pro 2019 2 thunderbolt (itís the same as the 2020 2 thunderbolt, except the keyboard and storage had been upgraded). Jump to 7 mins in the video

https://youtu.be/zcj1FpElgwM

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hmm how did u get e internals of e 4port mbp? I thought nobody has it yet
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hmm how did u get e internals of e 4port mbp? I thought nobody has it yet
i believe he is referencing existing 2TB/4TB port models man.
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