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Swisspers 24-03-2014 10:04 AM

and what are the recommended models/brands btw?

thanks in advance

cherry6 24-03-2014 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Swisspers (Post 84469038)
and what are the recommended models/brands btw
thanks in advance

Seems to be a foldable bike shop at Lavender, where the auntie there can also save your life...
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Using bare hands, S'pore woman saves life of heart-attack uncle
SAVED: Miss Jeannie Teo showing where the man had collapsed on the walkway outside the bicycle shop.
Monday, Mar 24, 2014
The New Paper
By Tan Tam Mei
SINGAPORE - She was making out a receipt to a customer when she saw a man collapse outside the bicycle shop.
Miss Jeannie Toh, 25, who works at the Mighty Velo shop in Lavender Street, quickly called the Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF) and shouted for her colleague to alert her boss.
The incident happened at around 4.50pm on March 12.
She picked up a calendar and rushed out to check on the man, who seemed to be in his 50s.
- See more at: Using bare hands, S'pore woman saves life of heart-attack uncle | YourHealth | AsiaOne

Swisspers 25-03-2014 12:40 AM

Ahh thanks

What sort of price range am I looking at for decent foldable bikes?

alvinaloy 27-03-2014 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Swisspers (Post 84490183)
Ahh thanks

What sort of price range am I looking at for decent foldable bikes?

Depends on your definition of 'decent'. I've been riding a Strida; no gear, easy fold, for advanced riders, but I love it. I bought it @ $750 from Mighty Velo a year or 2 ago but heard that it costs $850 now. You can also get Dahons for this price range. If you want even cheaper, Aleoca.

If you want a really 'decent' one, it can go for a couple of Ks; Bike Friday, Moulton, Brompton, Tyrell, Flamingo, Birdy, etc. Go look for the Facebook pages of My Bike Shop, Mighty Velo, Lifecycle, eWalker. These shops specialist in foldies. I'm interested in fatbikes and TR Bikes seems to be the sole distributor.

There's a Sports & Lifestyle Expo at F1 Pit Building this weekend (Friday onwards). Some of these shops will be displaying their wares there.
Sports & Lifestyle Expo (SLE) | OCBC Cycle Singapore 2014

sunzoner 27-03-2014 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 84460913)
So it is easier and cheaper to fix the car than fix the office shower... amazing.

Thats what you need to deal with when you want people to cycle to work in Singapore. The govt will need to pay companies to build shower facilities. It needs to build more cycle lane. The traffic laws need to change to accomodate cycling.

Note that all these are additional cost. It will have to pay for these new cost with new revenue. aka GST needs to increase.

cscs3 27-03-2014 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 63382553)
One car park lot can park at least 8 bicycles comfortably, many more if U pile them up/ build racks. U can transport many more ppl on bicycles than U can on cars. Terrain dependent also (floods normally don't stop cyclist unlike cars- the 'ponding' in SG that is). Just don't get another Ferrari driving CEO to manage the MRT pls, such CEOs only know how to count $$$, the mechanical functioning of the trains don't seem much of their concern (she made the chief engineers there quit- IIRC)

Anyhow, U can also hang bikes on walls (in office etc) or squeeze them under desk if collapsible.

BTW, SG fell in WWII to Japanese soldiers riding stolen bicycles.

Maybe people will start cycling when flooded roads become impassable due to blockages or waterlogged traffic... I don't know. Maybe Dr Vivian knows... floods, droughts... yeah!

Kind of simple assumption. Try using Bicycle for 10km and rainly day ! Has a friend did that, but he has to take a bath before starting his work in office !

cherry6 27-03-2014 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cscs3 (Post 84552353)
Kind of simple assumption. Try using Bicycle for 10km and rainly day ! Has a friend did that, but he has to take a bath before starting his work in office !

Half of Sinkapooreans are male and should be SAF trained and at least able to shoot M16. Point is, what is a few drops of rain when training in the jungle goes on despite cat1 thunderstorms (lightning cannot see soldiers under foliage cover). Anyhow, maybe more than half of all reservist take MC during the outfield segment of ICT, so cannot blame, Sinkapooreans must drive cars because nobody can predict when it will rain...

Again, I say bus lanes are important so that flood breakdown cars will not block public transport: buses can are more resistant than cars to floods. For those who bike, one must always be prepared to ditch bike (lock it at MRT station) and take train or bus. Rain or no rain, outcome is still need to take bath at office, but that would be a refreshing start...

BTW, pls wear helmet/ cap with shade if U wear glasses when it rains: so that your lenses do not fog up...

cscs3 27-03-2014 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 84553636)
Half of Sinkapooreans are male and should be SAF trained and at least able to shoot M16. Point is, what is a few drops of rain when training in the jungle goes on despite cat1 thunderstorms (lightning cannot see soldiers under foliage cover). Anyhow, maybe more than half of all reservist take MC during the outfield segment of ICT, so cannot blame, Sinkapooreans must drive cars because nobody can predict when it will rain...

Again, I say bus lanes are important so that flood breakdown cars will not block public transport: buses can are more resistant than cars to floods. For those who bike, one must always be prepared to ditch bike (lock it at MRT station) and take train or bus. Rain or no rain, outcome is still need to take bath at office, but that would be a refreshing start...

BTW, pls wear helmet/ cap with shade if U wear glasses when it rains: so that your lenses do not fog up...

Sure. But these SAF "trained" are only for short 2 years !! May be only 10% of them are really "fit" and continue to be fit after the training.

koxinga 27-03-2014 10:49 PM

I have an advice for cherry6.

If you want to argue for people using bicycles for work, then your value proposition should NOT be about saving the environment or cost. I would be very happy if you can come up with reasons other than the ones above.

Because these reasons are not on the top of the minds of drivers.

cherry6 27-03-2014 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by koxinga (Post 84563600)
I have an advice for cherry6.
If you want to argue for people using bicycles for work, then your value proposition should NOT be about saving the environment or cost. I would be very happy if you can come up with reasons other than the ones above.
Because these reasons are not on the top of the minds of drivers.

Have already explained that from a policy perspective, population health, carbon use reduction, road space rationing (I quote my earlier post) are important considerations in good government:
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Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 84400131)
Efficient use of road space for shorter distances, ride bicycle is better:
"In the space it takes to accommodate 60 cars, cities can accommodate around sixteen buses or more than 600 bikes. As Australia’s population swells and our cities experience ever increasing congestion we need to get smarter about how we use existing road space—including investing more in alternatives such as public transport and cycling—if we are to move people more efficiently and effectively.” said former professional cyclist Stephen Hodge (Australia).
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7...e87542fe_o.jpg
http://www.bikehub.co.uk/wp-content/...sportPhoto.jpg
Münster's iconic 'waste of space' photo keeps on giving - Bikehub - http://www.bikehub.co.uk
Related:
- http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/cu...l#post63381451

Probably, just as the MRT reliability to users is not of paramount importance in the MRT fares review process, neither do I think the interest of car drivers are PAP gahmen's interest where COE availability and pricing should be concerned, COE bidders are just another piggy bank to them...http://2x43di7fqtr1359hx1tnjj0te6.wp.../fare-hike.jpg[IMG URL]

Also, pls be reminded that according to the top, everything in Sinkapoor is about dollars and cents, and earning as much $$$ as possible from the way Minister Lim HK replied in parliament, PAP Minister do not even respect human life...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aMxISxmw94...%2Bgo%2Bup.JPG
E.g. Ex-Minister of Health, now Trade N Industry Minister, Lim Hng Kiang :
"...I regret making the decision because, in the end, the baby continued to be in intensive care, and KKH now runs up a total bill of more than $300,000..."- Lim Hng Kiang, regretting the decision to save a baby's life because KKH ran up a $300K (bill).

cscs3 28-03-2014 06:20 AM

If you post less, you use less electricity and hence less carbon. Best is do not use a pc, then you save the earth by using less un-recyclable parts like battery.

cherry6 28-03-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cscs3 (Post 84568175)
If you post less, you use less electricity and hence less carbon. Best is do not use a pc, then you save the earth by using less un-recyclable parts like battery.

Guess I use less fossil fuel based energy posting with energy efficient android tablet, rather than taking a long distance holiday... Everybody has 24hours in one day...

The following advertisement is a fake BTW...
http://mumbrella.asia/content/upload...icture-126.png[IMG URL]

sunzoner 28-03-2014 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 84553636)
Half of Sinkapooreans are male and should be SAF trained and at least able to shoot M16.
...

Also essentially, what you are saying is singaporean male should cycle because they are SAF trained? This is the best way to alienate your target group.

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BTW, pls wear helmet/ cap with shade if U wear glasses when it rains: so that your lenses do not fog up...
You have answered why most people dun cycle. It rains in singapore.

You also have a very romantic look at cycling to work and shower at work.

Now we look more realistically at why people dun cycle...

1st, I live 45 min away from work by MRT. By cycle, maybe 1 - 1 1/2 hrs away.

I start work at 830am. This means, i need to leave home by 7am. This also means, I need to send my kids to childcare before that. But then... childcare opens only at 7am!

I end work at 6pm. This mean I reach home at 730pm. But my childcare closes at 7pm!

Even if the childcare can close at 730pm, this means my kids stay in the childcare for 12 1/2 hours!

The above do not factor in shower.

My boss are likely to demand i start work without the smell of sweat. Assuming I do SAF time and shower within 10 min. This means i have to move my leave-home time at 650am. Before the childcare opens! How is my kids going to go to childcare themselves???

Next, lets assume everyone or at least 1/2 the population cycle. This means, i have to q for the shower at work. If i factor in waiting for at least two other persons showering at SAF time. This means another 20 min is lost. So my kids are going to childcare at 630am?

So my time lost to work+cycle will be 630am to 730pm. app 13 hours. But my boss pays me for 830am to 6pm! So who is going to pay me for the extra hours (630am - 745am and 645pm - 730pm)?

cherry6 28-03-2014 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sunzoner (Post 84572860)
Also essentially, what you are saying is singaporean male should cycle because they are SAF trained? This is the best way to alienate your target group.

You have answered why most people dun cycle. It rains in singapore.
You also have a very romantic look at cycling to work and shower at work.
Now we look more realistically at why people dun cycle...
1st, I live 45 min away from work by MRT. By cycle, maybe 1 - 1 1/2 hrs away.
I start work at 830am. This means, i need to leave home by 7am. This also means, I need to send my kids to childcare before that. But then... childcare opens only at 7am!
I end work at 6pm. This mean I reach home at 730pm. But my childcare closes at 7pm!
Even if the childcare can close at 730pm, this means my kids stay in the childcare for 12 1/2 hours!
The above do not factor in shower.
My boss are likely to demand i start work without the smell of sweat. Assuming I do SAF time and shower within 10 min. This means i have to move my leave-home time at 650am. Before the childcare opens! How is my kids going to go to childcare themselves???
Next, lets assume everyone or at least 1/2 the population cycle. This means, i have to q for the shower at work. If i factor in waiting for at least two other persons showering at SAF time. This means another 20 min is lost. So my kids are going to childcare at 630am?
So my time lost to work+cycle will be 630am to 730pm. app 13 hours. But my boss pays me for 830am to 6pm! So who is going to pay me for the extra hours (630am - 745am and 645pm - 730pm)?

Please lah, I am not like LKY, say stop at 2 means stop at 2 otherwise, summon, school disadvantage/ even Communist China gahmen: force U have abortion. This is modern world, many moving parts.

If more cycle, population will be fitter, Medishield-life payouts will decrease, extra $$$ saved can improve public transport and build proper cycle tracks and toilet facilities of not more green spaces : e.g parks with proper toilets.

More cycle from close by towns e.g. Lavender, TiongBharu, maybe even BuonaVista means less congestion/ MRT train overload/ hyper increase frequency etc. Also less exponential public transport/ bus fare rules increase cos people more independent, don't need to 100% depend on motor vehicle transport. Your kids maybe more accepting of using public transport: easier to get seats cos able bodied cycle.

Bout the toilet, technology will allow people to work from home, go office for important deals or meetings only, so not everyone must be at desk at 8.30am: time is staggered. Maybe even have indoor swimming pool/ park in business district: if Sink@poor is sufficient funds and land for that.

Its all about planning long term. Unfortunately, since we seem to be followin the USA path of high carbon consumption and high chronic disease prevalence with Obama care being the resultant permanent stop-gap solution (kicking the can down the road), all I have said might just be a pipe dream.

And then we will just say, I know, how good it could have been....

And as public transport improves with lesserload factor (some PT com!users switch to cycling), overall PT experience improves and some existing motorcar users switch to using PT: COE prices then do not have to further increase.

I could go on...

BTW, when I was in SAF, shower was 1 minute, until some chorbo complained about seeing naked men running up down the corridor...

sunzoner 28-03-2014 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 84573772)
Please lah, I am not like LKY, say stop at 2 means stop at 2 otherwise, summon, school disadvantage/ even Communist China gahmen: force U have abortion. This is modern world, many moving parts.
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Lots of red herring here... Maybe you can start a fish farm...

MY conclusion is Advocates of cycling ignore the reality of life....

But let me entertain you a bit...

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If more cycle, population will be fitter, Medishield-life payouts will decrease, extra $$$ saved can improve public transport and build proper cycle tracks and toilet facilities of not more green spaces : e.g parks with proper toilets.
more cycle, more may get sports injuries. medishield-life payout may increase...

Public transport infrastructure will need to be changed to cater for the new mode of transport. aka more bike stands, bike lanes, toilets with shower...

guess where the money will come from?

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More cycle from close by towns e.g. Lavender, TiongBharu, maybe even BuonaVista means less congestion/ MRT train overload/ hyper increase frequency etc. Also less exponential public transport/ bus fare rules increase cos people more independent, don't need to 100% depend on motor vehicle transport. Your kids maybe more accepting of using public transport: easier to get seats cos able bodied cycle.
So what about people now living in other estates? no need to work?

fare increased not peg to frequency. in fact with less people travelling on MRT, fare will have to increase even higher to enable the operators to "not make a lost".

You still have no solution for my kids in childcare?

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Bout the toilet, technology will allow people to work from home, go office for important deals or meetings only, so not everyone must be at desk at 8.30am: time is staggered. Maybe even have indoor swimming pool/ park in business district: if Sink@poor is sufficient funds and land for that.
This is more about work from home. got nothing about cycling...

staggered working hours? According to US/UK or Jap financial market?

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Its all about planning long term. Unfortunately, since we seem to be followin the USA path of high carbon consumption and high chronic disease prevalence with Obama care being the resultant permanent stop-gap solution (kicking the can down the road), all I have said might just be a pipe dream.
Is it short term planning or lack of long term planning? or blind following of USA? Identify the problem properly will allow you to push your agenda and solve the problem...

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And as public transport improves with lesserload factor (some PT com!users switch to cycling), overall PT experience improves and some existing motorcar users switch to using PT: COE prices then do not have to further increase.
As long as the govt wants coe prices to go up, it will. just reduce the supply below the demand. nothing about cycling can solve the problem...

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BTW, when I was in SAF, shower was 1 minute,...
And you were saying something about "Please lah, I am not like LKY, say stop at 2 means stop at 2 otherwise, summon, school disadvantage/ even Communist China gahmen: force U have abortion. This is modern world, many moving parts."...

So you still have no solution about the long waits for shower, and the eventual longer time needed away from family that your cycling proposal will create.

Please do take into account of human nature in your proposal. Otherwise, your proposal will be no better then the ivy tower proposals we have been seeing...


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