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cherry6 18-01-2012 04:26 PM

Public transport in Singapore: Ride bicycle is faster.
 
Public transport in Singapore: Ride bicycle is faster.

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According to 'Average cycling speed' (road-bike.co.uk) [link]: "Average cycling speed - indications... some general guidelines, all for solo riders on general 'mixed' terrain (ie rolling hills about 30% of the time, and pretty flat the rest of the time): Beginner, short distance (say 10-15 miles): average speed 12 mph. Most cyclists can achieve 10-12 mph (16.09 - 19.31kph) average very quickly with limited training. ..."

The TODAY news report (appended bottom):
"Minister of State for Transport Josephine Teo revealed ... bus speeds have gone down from 19.1kmh in 2007 to 17.8kmh...."

Given that a "more experienced" cyclist can maintain an average speed of 25kph over a "short-medium distance of 20-30miles" (32 - 48km), and that cycling is a healthy sport, not just physically but also environmentally, (in so far that protection is worn and rules are obeyed), the current situation of slow bus timings, snail paced traffic, single occupant cars etc, it would probably be time, I think for a major public transport revamp/ re-think in the making.

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Bus hubs currently the priority and good progress made: Josephine Teo
04:45 AM Jan 18, 2012
by Sumita Sreedharan
SINGAPORE - Bus speeds have decreased slightly because of an increase in ridership, Minister of State for Transport Josephine Teo revealed in Parliament yesterday.
Responding to Chua Chu Kang GRC MP Alex Yam, who had asked about the progress in improving bus speeds, Mrs Teo said bus speeds have gone down from 19.1kmh in 2007 to 17.8kmh, as ridership went up from 2.9 million per day to 3.45 million per day in the same time.
"As more buses are introduced to cater to this increase, this would have caused buses to wait a longer time at bus stops to accommodate increased passenger boarding and alighting activities," explained Mrs Teo.
To address this, the Land Transport Authority had announced recently that 35 bus stops would be expanded into bus hubs by the end of next year, allowing more buses to berth at bus bays for simultaneous boarding and alighting. This would reduce the average time each bus spends at bus stops, improving speeds and the journey times for commuters.
Pressed by Mr Yam to elaborate on the schemes under study by the ministry, Mrs Teo said the 35 bus hubs are currently the priority project and "good progress" has been made.
Mr Yam also suggested that longer, wider trunk roads be installed across the central median to reduce the incidence of left-turning vehicles blocking the buses that are going straight. Mrs Teo said this would be considered. Nee Soon GRC MP Lee Bee Wah brought up the issue of bus drivers' unfamiliarity with bus routes, asking if measures have been taken to address this.
Mrs Teo attributed the problem to "occasions where there are services that need to be improved very quickly", and buses need to be pumped in; hence drivers are deployed on unfamiliar routes.
Having more bus drivers trained across different routes would help but this would take time to implement as operators would need to pull drivers from their regular services for training, she said.
Nonetheless, she stressed that the issue is being "taken seriously" and the bus system must become "more flexible" and "more responsive" to the need for bus services. Sumita Sreedharan
URL TODAYonline | Singapore | Bus hubs currently the priority and good progress made: Josephine Teo
Copyright 2012 MediaCorp Pte
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Jarlaxle 18-01-2012 04:37 PM

Nt possible la. Where r u going to park so much bicycles? Season parking? Erp?

cherry6 18-01-2012 05:05 PM

floods, droughts... yeah
 
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Originally Posted by Jarlaxle (Post 63381741)
Nt possible la. Where r u going to park so much bicycles? Season parking? Erp?

One car park lot can park at least 8 bicycles comfortably, many more if U pile them up/ build racks. U can transport many more ppl on bicycles than U can on cars. Terrain dependent also (floods normally don't stop cyclist unlike cars- the 'ponding' in SG that is). Just don't get another Ferrari driving CEO to manage the MRT pls, such CEOs only know how to count $$$, the mechanical functioning of the trains don't seem much of their concern (she made the chief engineers there quit- IIRC)

Anyhow, U can also hang bikes on walls (in office etc) or squeeze them under desk if collapsible.

BTW, SG fell in WWII to Japanese soldiers riding stolen bicycles.

Maybe people will start cycling when flooded roads become impassable due to blockages or waterlogged traffic... I don't know. Maybe Dr Vivian knows... floods, droughts... yeah!

kenloonglow 18-01-2012 05:30 PM

Safety a main concerned lor, SG road not design to taken care of cyclist.

lobo76 18-01-2012 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kenloonglow (Post 63383262)
Safety a main concerned lor, SG road not design to taken care of cyclist.

And, if you ride on walkways instead, the pedestrians who hogged the walkways will complain if you never ring to warm them as you ride pass, and if you ring, that you are a arrogant person to 'demand' they give way. Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

Opps-gal 18-01-2012 05:42 PM

How about using skateboards? :s13: No need to ring...

tequila_powered 18-01-2012 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 63382553)
BTW, SG fell in WWII to Japanese soldiers riding stolen bicycles.

Maybe people will start cycling when flooded roads become impassable due to blockages or waterlogged traffic... I don't know. Maybe Dr Vivian knows... floods, droughts... yeah!

and when these born-again cyclists come to a flooded road; what do they do? Lift up their cycles above their head and wade through the arm-pit-high flood like the Japanese soldiers? I really hope OLs will do that =:p I will be there with my camera, and no goddang Police Sargeant is gonna drag me away, handcuffs or no handcuffs.

cherry6 18-01-2012 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tequila_powered (Post 63384948)
and when these born-again cyclists come to a flooded road; what do they do? Lift up their cycles above their head and wade through the arm-pit-high flood like the Japanese soldiers? I really hope OLs will do that =:p

What is 'OLs'?

If it is familiar road and if bicycle isn't more precious than oneself, one can also cycle through the flood.

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ponpokku 18-01-2012 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Opps-gal (Post 63383587)
How about using skateboards? :s13: No need to ring...

wah lan if u rammed someone on that, then it's either u die or he die... :o

tequila_powered 18-01-2012 07:09 PM

Office Ladies aka office chiobus.


Just some end-of-hard-workday humour :D

cherry6 21-03-2014 11:34 AM

Efficient use of road space for shorter distances, ride bicycle is better:
 
Efficient use of road space for shorter distances, ride bicycle is better:

"In the space it takes to accommodate 60 cars, cities can accommodate around sixteen buses or more than 600 bikes. As Australia’s population swells and our cities experience ever increasing congestion we need to get smarter about how we use existing road space—including investing more in alternatives such as public transport and cycling—if we are to move people more efficiently and effectively.” said former professional cyclist Stephen Hodge (Australia).
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7...e87542fe_o.jpg
http://www.bikehub.co.uk/wp-content/...sportPhoto.jpg
Münster's iconic 'waste of space' photo keeps on giving - Bikehub - http://www.bikehub.co.uk

Related:
- Public transport in Singapore: Ride bicycle is faster.

sunzoner 21-03-2014 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 84400131)
Efficient use of road space for shorter distances, ride bicycle is better:

"In the space it takes to accommodate 60 cars, cities can accommodate around sixteen buses or more than 600 bikes. As Australia’s population swells and our cities experience ever increasing congestion we need to get smarter about how we use existing road space—including investing more in alternatives such as public transport and cycling—if we are to move people more efficiently and effectively.” said former professional cyclist Stephen Hodge (Australia).
...

No need. just need erp and coe.

pinkpiggie 23-03-2014 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 84400131)
Efficient use of road space for shorter distances, ride bicycle is better:

"In the space it takes to accommodate 60 cars, cities can accommodate around sixteen buses or more than 600 bikes. As Australia’s population swells and our cities experience ever increasing congestion we need to get smarter about how we use existing road space—including investing more in alternatives such as public transport and cycling—if we are to move people more efficiently and effectively.” said former professional cyclist Stephen Hodge (Australia).
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7...e87542fe_o.jpg
http://www.bikehub.co.uk/wp-content/...sportPhoto.jpg
Münster's iconic 'waste of space' photo keeps on giving - Bikehub - http://www.bikehub.co.uk

Related:
- http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/cu...l#post63381451

Going to need shower place at office leh. My office toilet shower don't work

cherry6 23-03-2014 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkpiggie (Post 84458532)
Going to need shower place at office leh. My office toilet shower don't work

So it is easier and cheaper to fix the car than fix the office shower... amazing.

Swisspers 24-03-2014 09:52 AM

Where to buy bicycles and how much are they selling for now?

Swisspers 24-03-2014 10:04 AM

and what are the recommended models/brands btw?

thanks in advance

cherry6 24-03-2014 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Swisspers (Post 84469038)
and what are the recommended models/brands btw
thanks in advance

Seems to be a foldable bike shop at Lavender, where the auntie there can also save your life...
Quote:

Using bare hands, S'pore woman saves life of heart-attack uncle
SAVED: Miss Jeannie Teo showing where the man had collapsed on the walkway outside the bicycle shop.
Monday, Mar 24, 2014
The New Paper
By Tan Tam Mei
SINGAPORE - She was making out a receipt to a customer when she saw a man collapse outside the bicycle shop.
Miss Jeannie Toh, 25, who works at the Mighty Velo shop in Lavender Street, quickly called the Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF) and shouted for her colleague to alert her boss.
The incident happened at around 4.50pm on March 12.
She picked up a calendar and rushed out to check on the man, who seemed to be in his 50s.
- See more at: Using bare hands, S'pore woman saves life of heart-attack uncle | YourHealth | AsiaOne

Swisspers 25-03-2014 12:40 AM

Ahh thanks

What sort of price range am I looking at for decent foldable bikes?

alvinaloy 27-03-2014 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Swisspers (Post 84490183)
Ahh thanks

What sort of price range am I looking at for decent foldable bikes?

Depends on your definition of 'decent'. I've been riding a Strida; no gear, easy fold, for advanced riders, but I love it. I bought it @ $750 from Mighty Velo a year or 2 ago but heard that it costs $850 now. You can also get Dahons for this price range. If you want even cheaper, Aleoca.

If you want a really 'decent' one, it can go for a couple of Ks; Bike Friday, Moulton, Brompton, Tyrell, Flamingo, Birdy, etc. Go look for the Facebook pages of My Bike Shop, Mighty Velo, Lifecycle, eWalker. These shops specialist in foldies. I'm interested in fatbikes and TR Bikes seems to be the sole distributor.

There's a Sports & Lifestyle Expo at F1 Pit Building this weekend (Friday onwards). Some of these shops will be displaying their wares there.
Sports & Lifestyle Expo (SLE) | OCBC Cycle Singapore 2014

sunzoner 27-03-2014 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 84460913)
So it is easier and cheaper to fix the car than fix the office shower... amazing.

Thats what you need to deal with when you want people to cycle to work in Singapore. The govt will need to pay companies to build shower facilities. It needs to build more cycle lane. The traffic laws need to change to accomodate cycling.

Note that all these are additional cost. It will have to pay for these new cost with new revenue. aka GST needs to increase.

cscs3 27-03-2014 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 63382553)
One car park lot can park at least 8 bicycles comfortably, many more if U pile them up/ build racks. U can transport many more ppl on bicycles than U can on cars. Terrain dependent also (floods normally don't stop cyclist unlike cars- the 'ponding' in SG that is). Just don't get another Ferrari driving CEO to manage the MRT pls, such CEOs only know how to count $$$, the mechanical functioning of the trains don't seem much of their concern (she made the chief engineers there quit- IIRC)

Anyhow, U can also hang bikes on walls (in office etc) or squeeze them under desk if collapsible.

BTW, SG fell in WWII to Japanese soldiers riding stolen bicycles.

Maybe people will start cycling when flooded roads become impassable due to blockages or waterlogged traffic... I don't know. Maybe Dr Vivian knows... floods, droughts... yeah!

Kind of simple assumption. Try using Bicycle for 10km and rainly day ! Has a friend did that, but he has to take a bath before starting his work in office !

cherry6 27-03-2014 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cscs3 (Post 84552353)
Kind of simple assumption. Try using Bicycle for 10km and rainly day ! Has a friend did that, but he has to take a bath before starting his work in office !

Half of Sinkapooreans are male and should be SAF trained and at least able to shoot M16. Point is, what is a few drops of rain when training in the jungle goes on despite cat1 thunderstorms (lightning cannot see soldiers under foliage cover). Anyhow, maybe more than half of all reservist take MC during the outfield segment of ICT, so cannot blame, Sinkapooreans must drive cars because nobody can predict when it will rain...

Again, I say bus lanes are important so that flood breakdown cars will not block public transport: buses can are more resistant than cars to floods. For those who bike, one must always be prepared to ditch bike (lock it at MRT station) and take train or bus. Rain or no rain, outcome is still need to take bath at office, but that would be a refreshing start...

BTW, pls wear helmet/ cap with shade if U wear glasses when it rains: so that your lenses do not fog up...

cscs3 27-03-2014 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 84553636)
Half of Sinkapooreans are male and should be SAF trained and at least able to shoot M16. Point is, what is a few drops of rain when training in the jungle goes on despite cat1 thunderstorms (lightning cannot see soldiers under foliage cover). Anyhow, maybe more than half of all reservist take MC during the outfield segment of ICT, so cannot blame, Sinkapooreans must drive cars because nobody can predict when it will rain...

Again, I say bus lanes are important so that flood breakdown cars will not block public transport: buses can are more resistant than cars to floods. For those who bike, one must always be prepared to ditch bike (lock it at MRT station) and take train or bus. Rain or no rain, outcome is still need to take bath at office, but that would be a refreshing start...

BTW, pls wear helmet/ cap with shade if U wear glasses when it rains: so that your lenses do not fog up...

Sure. But these SAF "trained" are only for short 2 years !! May be only 10% of them are really "fit" and continue to be fit after the training.

koxinga 27-03-2014 10:49 PM

I have an advice for cherry6.

If you want to argue for people using bicycles for work, then your value proposition should NOT be about saving the environment or cost. I would be very happy if you can come up with reasons other than the ones above.

Because these reasons are not on the top of the minds of drivers.

cherry6 27-03-2014 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by koxinga (Post 84563600)
I have an advice for cherry6.
If you want to argue for people using bicycles for work, then your value proposition should NOT be about saving the environment or cost. I would be very happy if you can come up with reasons other than the ones above.
Because these reasons are not on the top of the minds of drivers.

Have already explained that from a policy perspective, population health, carbon use reduction, road space rationing (I quote my earlier post) are important considerations in good government:
Quote:

Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 84400131)
Efficient use of road space for shorter distances, ride bicycle is better:
"In the space it takes to accommodate 60 cars, cities can accommodate around sixteen buses or more than 600 bikes. As Australia’s population swells and our cities experience ever increasing congestion we need to get smarter about how we use existing road space—including investing more in alternatives such as public transport and cycling—if we are to move people more efficiently and effectively.” said former professional cyclist Stephen Hodge (Australia).
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7...e87542fe_o.jpg
http://www.bikehub.co.uk/wp-content/...sportPhoto.jpg
Münster's iconic 'waste of space' photo keeps on giving - Bikehub - http://www.bikehub.co.uk
Related:
- http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/cu...l#post63381451

Probably, just as the MRT reliability to users is not of paramount importance in the MRT fares review process, neither do I think the interest of car drivers are PAP gahmen's interest where COE availability and pricing should be concerned, COE bidders are just another piggy bank to them...http://2x43di7fqtr1359hx1tnjj0te6.wp.../fare-hike.jpg[IMG URL]

Also, pls be reminded that according to the top, everything in Sinkapoor is about dollars and cents, and earning as much $$$ as possible from the way Minister Lim HK replied in parliament, PAP Minister do not even respect human life...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aMxISxmw94...%2Bgo%2Bup.JPG
E.g. Ex-Minister of Health, now Trade N Industry Minister, Lim Hng Kiang :
"...I regret making the decision because, in the end, the baby continued to be in intensive care, and KKH now runs up a total bill of more than $300,000..."- Lim Hng Kiang, regretting the decision to save a baby's life because KKH ran up a $300K (bill).

cscs3 28-03-2014 06:20 AM

If you post less, you use less electricity and hence less carbon. Best is do not use a pc, then you save the earth by using less un-recyclable parts like battery.

cherry6 28-03-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cscs3 (Post 84568175)
If you post less, you use less electricity and hence less carbon. Best is do not use a pc, then you save the earth by using less un-recyclable parts like battery.

Guess I use less fossil fuel based energy posting with energy efficient android tablet, rather than taking a long distance holiday... Everybody has 24hours in one day...

The following advertisement is a fake BTW...
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sunzoner 28-03-2014 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 84553636)
Half of Sinkapooreans are male and should be SAF trained and at least able to shoot M16.
...

Also essentially, what you are saying is singaporean male should cycle because they are SAF trained? This is the best way to alienate your target group.

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BTW, pls wear helmet/ cap with shade if U wear glasses when it rains: so that your lenses do not fog up...
You have answered why most people dun cycle. It rains in singapore.

You also have a very romantic look at cycling to work and shower at work.

Now we look more realistically at why people dun cycle...

1st, I live 45 min away from work by MRT. By cycle, maybe 1 - 1 1/2 hrs away.

I start work at 830am. This means, i need to leave home by 7am. This also means, I need to send my kids to childcare before that. But then... childcare opens only at 7am!

I end work at 6pm. This mean I reach home at 730pm. But my childcare closes at 7pm!

Even if the childcare can close at 730pm, this means my kids stay in the childcare for 12 1/2 hours!

The above do not factor in shower.

My boss are likely to demand i start work without the smell of sweat. Assuming I do SAF time and shower within 10 min. This means i have to move my leave-home time at 650am. Before the childcare opens! How is my kids going to go to childcare themselves???

Next, lets assume everyone or at least 1/2 the population cycle. This means, i have to q for the shower at work. If i factor in waiting for at least two other persons showering at SAF time. This means another 20 min is lost. So my kids are going to childcare at 630am?

So my time lost to work+cycle will be 630am to 730pm. app 13 hours. But my boss pays me for 830am to 6pm! So who is going to pay me for the extra hours (630am - 745am and 645pm - 730pm)?

cherry6 28-03-2014 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sunzoner (Post 84572860)
Also essentially, what you are saying is singaporean male should cycle because they are SAF trained? This is the best way to alienate your target group.

You have answered why most people dun cycle. It rains in singapore.
You also have a very romantic look at cycling to work and shower at work.
Now we look more realistically at why people dun cycle...
1st, I live 45 min away from work by MRT. By cycle, maybe 1 - 1 1/2 hrs away.
I start work at 830am. This means, i need to leave home by 7am. This also means, I need to send my kids to childcare before that. But then... childcare opens only at 7am!
I end work at 6pm. This mean I reach home at 730pm. But my childcare closes at 7pm!
Even if the childcare can close at 730pm, this means my kids stay in the childcare for 12 1/2 hours!
The above do not factor in shower.
My boss are likely to demand i start work without the smell of sweat. Assuming I do SAF time and shower within 10 min. This means i have to move my leave-home time at 650am. Before the childcare opens! How is my kids going to go to childcare themselves???
Next, lets assume everyone or at least 1/2 the population cycle. This means, i have to q for the shower at work. If i factor in waiting for at least two other persons showering at SAF time. This means another 20 min is lost. So my kids are going to childcare at 630am?
So my time lost to work+cycle will be 630am to 730pm. app 13 hours. But my boss pays me for 830am to 6pm! So who is going to pay me for the extra hours (630am - 745am and 645pm - 730pm)?

Please lah, I am not like LKY, say stop at 2 means stop at 2 otherwise, summon, school disadvantage/ even Communist China gahmen: force U have abortion. This is modern world, many moving parts.

If more cycle, population will be fitter, Medishield-life payouts will decrease, extra $$$ saved can improve public transport and build proper cycle tracks and toilet facilities of not more green spaces : e.g parks with proper toilets.

More cycle from close by towns e.g. Lavender, TiongBharu, maybe even BuonaVista means less congestion/ MRT train overload/ hyper increase frequency etc. Also less exponential public transport/ bus fare rules increase cos people more independent, don't need to 100% depend on motor vehicle transport. Your kids maybe more accepting of using public transport: easier to get seats cos able bodied cycle.

Bout the toilet, technology will allow people to work from home, go office for important deals or meetings only, so not everyone must be at desk at 8.30am: time is staggered. Maybe even have indoor swimming pool/ park in business district: if Sink@poor is sufficient funds and land for that.

Its all about planning long term. Unfortunately, since we seem to be followin the USA path of high carbon consumption and high chronic disease prevalence with Obama care being the resultant permanent stop-gap solution (kicking the can down the road), all I have said might just be a pipe dream.

And then we will just say, I know, how good it could have been....

And as public transport improves with lesserload factor (some PT com!users switch to cycling), overall PT experience improves and some existing motorcar users switch to using PT: COE prices then do not have to further increase.

I could go on...

BTW, when I was in SAF, shower was 1 minute, until some chorbo complained about seeing naked men running up down the corridor...

sunzoner 28-03-2014 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 84573772)
Please lah, I am not like LKY, say stop at 2 means stop at 2 otherwise, summon, school disadvantage/ even Communist China gahmen: force U have abortion. This is modern world, many moving parts.
...
...

Lots of red herring here... Maybe you can start a fish farm...

MY conclusion is Advocates of cycling ignore the reality of life....

But let me entertain you a bit...

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If more cycle, population will be fitter, Medishield-life payouts will decrease, extra $$$ saved can improve public transport and build proper cycle tracks and toilet facilities of not more green spaces : e.g parks with proper toilets.
more cycle, more may get sports injuries. medishield-life payout may increase...

Public transport infrastructure will need to be changed to cater for the new mode of transport. aka more bike stands, bike lanes, toilets with shower...

guess where the money will come from?

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More cycle from close by towns e.g. Lavender, TiongBharu, maybe even BuonaVista means less congestion/ MRT train overload/ hyper increase frequency etc. Also less exponential public transport/ bus fare rules increase cos people more independent, don't need to 100% depend on motor vehicle transport. Your kids maybe more accepting of using public transport: easier to get seats cos able bodied cycle.
So what about people now living in other estates? no need to work?

fare increased not peg to frequency. in fact with less people travelling on MRT, fare will have to increase even higher to enable the operators to "not make a lost".

You still have no solution for my kids in childcare?

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Bout the toilet, technology will allow people to work from home, go office for important deals or meetings only, so not everyone must be at desk at 8.30am: time is staggered. Maybe even have indoor swimming pool/ park in business district: if Sink@poor is sufficient funds and land for that.
This is more about work from home. got nothing about cycling...

staggered working hours? According to US/UK or Jap financial market?

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Its all about planning long term. Unfortunately, since we seem to be followin the USA path of high carbon consumption and high chronic disease prevalence with Obama care being the resultant permanent stop-gap solution (kicking the can down the road), all I have said might just be a pipe dream.
Is it short term planning or lack of long term planning? or blind following of USA? Identify the problem properly will allow you to push your agenda and solve the problem...

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And as public transport improves with lesserload factor (some PT com!users switch to cycling), overall PT experience improves and some existing motorcar users switch to using PT: COE prices then do not have to further increase.
As long as the govt wants coe prices to go up, it will. just reduce the supply below the demand. nothing about cycling can solve the problem...

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BTW, when I was in SAF, shower was 1 minute,...
And you were saying something about "Please lah, I am not like LKY, say stop at 2 means stop at 2 otherwise, summon, school disadvantage/ even Communist China gahmen: force U have abortion. This is modern world, many moving parts."...

So you still have no solution about the long waits for shower, and the eventual longer time needed away from family that your cycling proposal will create.

Please do take into account of human nature in your proposal. Otherwise, your proposal will be no better then the ivy tower proposals we have been seeing...

cherry6 28-03-2014 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunzoner (Post 84577444)
Lots of red herring here... Maybe you can start a fish farm...
MY conclusion is Advocates of cycling ignore the reality of life....
But let me entertain you a bit...
more cycle, more may get sports injuries. medishield-life payout may increase...
Public transport infrastructure will need to be changed to cater for the new mode of transport. aka more bike stands, bike lanes, toilets with shower...
guess where the money will come from?
So what about people now living in other estates? no need to work?
fare increased not peg to frequency. in fact with less people travelling on MRT, fare will have to increase even higher to enable the operators to "not make a lost".
You still have no solution for my kids in childcare?

This is more about work from home. got nothing about cycling...

staggered working hours? According to US/UK or Jap financial market?
Is it short term planning or lack of long term planning? or blind following of USA? Identify the problem properly will allow you to push your agenda and solve the problem...

As long as the govt wants coe prices to go up, it will. just reduce the supply below the demand. nothing about cycling can solve the problem...
And you were saying something about "Please lah, I am not like LKY, say stop at 2 means stop at 2 otherwise, summon, school disadvantage/ even Communist China gahmen: force U have abortion. This is modern world, many moving parts."...
So you still have no solution about the long waits for shower, and the eventual longer time needed away from family that your cycling proposal will create.
Please do take into account of human nature in your proposal. Otherwise, your proposal will be no better then the ivy tower proposals we have been seeing...

Please lah, I never said that everyone must cycle: just as many as possible should, but the change must be gentle. Many parts of the economy, already proven outdated must change as well through: e.g. inefficient office work where pong hours do not necessary mean greater productivity: just kowtow to greater hirechy etc.

Must learn from some foreign talents, get around on bicycle cos to them, PT is expensive. Locals own cars, blue collar foreign talents own bicycles (although some road safety training and helmets will serve most of them well).

Point is, it is not just the bicycle that has to change, the innovativeness of Sinkies must improve too as this world pays highly for innovation: just see the price of Apple computer products as opposed to T-shirts and other cheap plastic stuff.

Various subsidies may have to change, as would work hours to cater for better work life balance. Greater health consciousness will have to be implemented before like Obama care, either the country goes bankrupt, or premiums shoot through the roof.

So please stop complaining boys and girls, any change must be for the greater universal good. Better change now rather than wait for PAP's dream of 6.9million population to come true. By then it would probably be all refugees arriving from fleeing their sunken island states, for a short while before Singapore sinks too...

Something tells me, based upon the feedback received, that Sinkies are best governed in the way Kim Jong En governs N Korea, cos everything they do, always only think of self-benifit first...

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multim...01_396977b.jpg[IMG URL]

sunzoner 31-03-2014 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cherry6 (Post 84578899)
Please lah, I never said that everyone must cycle: just as many as possible should, but the change must be gentle. Many parts of the economy, already proven outdated must change as well through: e.g. inefficient office work where pong hours do not necessary mean greater productivity: just kowtow to greater hirechy etc.

The reality people faces means not many will take up your call. ignore these reality and you will start sounding like ivory tower idealist.

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Must learn from some foreign talents, get around on bicycle cos to them, PT is expensive. Locals own cars, blue collar foreign talents own bicycles (although some road safety training and helmets will serve most of them well).
You mean FW?

You also note that these people mainly just cycle to the MRT right? Or they rent a place near their workplace.

Singaporean buy an expensive lease and might not be living anywhere near their work place. So how to cycle?

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Point is, it is not just the bicycle that has to change, the innovativeness of Sinkies must improve too as this world pays highly for innovation: just see the price of Apple computer products as opposed to T-shirts and other cheap plastic stuff.
Selective example. How many US businesses that aspire to be Apple had closed?

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Various subsidies may have to change, as would work hours to cater for better work life balance. Greater health consciousness will have to be implemented before like Obama care, either the country goes bankrupt, or premiums shoot through the roof.
Chicken and egg.

You are asking people to change first or these policies to change first?

How likely is it for the incumbents to change?

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So please stop complaining boys and girls, any change must be for the greater universal good. Better change now rather than wait for PAP's dream of 6.9million population to come true. By then it would probably be all refugees arriving from fleeing their sunken island states, for a short while before Singapore sinks too...
Great! anyone who dun subscribe to your point of view is complaining and contributing to the 6.9. Great way to win argument.

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Something tells me, based upon the feedback received, that Sinkies are best governed in the way Kim Jong En governs N Korea, cos everything they do, always only think of self-benifit first...

...
I think you misunderstood. In NK, people are not allowed to think, nor do they do anything to benefit themselves. Its all about the survival of the Great State... :s8:

steve0hh 02-07-2014 08:56 PM

wouldn't mind cycling to mrt/work if the bicycle theft problem is resolved. :( that time i park outside mrt. 1 chain kena broken. lucky another 1 thick enough cannot cut through..

suprememessiah 05-07-2014 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by steve0hh (Post 86825814)
wouldn't mind cycling to mrt/work if the bicycle theft problem is resolved. :( that time i park outside mrt. 1 chain kena broken. lucky another 1 thick enough cannot cut through..

wah. you actually put 2 chains ah. I only put 1 very thick 1 to prevent theft...

cancer81 08-07-2014 01:45 PM

I would consider this kind of thing IF I do not work at a place right across the island...

getting home from work on public transport take a good 2hours...

I can change my job, yes yes I know..... :s22:

steve0hh 14-07-2014 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cancer81 (Post 86957166)
I would consider this kind of thing IF I do not work at a place right across the island...

getting home from work on public transport take a good 2hours...

I can change my job, yes yes I know..... :s22:

Haha. I feel you bro.
I stay central but study pioneer there.
How to cycle?! Haha. But I always cycle to MRT station and park there until my chain broke, I scared liao.

steve0hh 14-07-2014 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by suprememessiah (Post 86878217)
wah. you actually put 2 chains ah. I only put 1 very thick 1 to prevent theft...

I put one is to lock the bicycle frame, that 1 thick.
Another one thinner, I use to lock both wheels.
I always see those cycle lock the frame. but back wheel missing.

alfseeto 16-07-2014 01:05 PM

I cycle to work on a mixture of park connectors and roads. There are so many traffic lights in Singapore that I waste a lot of time waiting at these junctions. On the PCN I reach 20-23km/h, but factor in all the waiting time my average speed is only 16km/h.

fattykim 19-07-2014 01:40 AM

What are you talking about?

erwinrommel 24-07-2014 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by alfseeto (Post 87142541)
I cycle to work on a mixture of park connectors and roads. There are so many traffic lights in Singapore that I waste a lot of time waiting at these junctions. On the PCN I reach 20-23km/h, but factor in all the waiting time my average speed is only 16km/h.

That's true.

I still think the main issue is the heat in Singapore. Its hellish to cycle under the mid-day sun, but great to cycle on pcn at night.

simon_84 28-07-2014 01:12 PM

i cycle to work from mon to fri, workplace 3 bus stops away.
when it rains, my area no bus and no cab :s27:

mrclubbie 28-07-2014 01:48 PM

our transport system is overstretched i feel.

cherry6 28-07-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by simon_84 (Post 87411615)
i cycle to work from mon to fri, workplace 3 bus stops away.
when it rains, my area no bus and no cab :s27:

If each bus stop is 0.4km apart and minimum bus fare is $0.77 and it takes U just 3mins to cycle 1.2km @ 24kph (average), means U save $1.54 daily @ rate of $15.4/HR plus FREE exercise n sunshine.

If U work 52wks p.a., 5days a week, your savings are $1.54*52*5= $400.40p.a. can get a new bicycle every year, not to mention time saved if wait for bus (10mins each way), U also save 20*52*5= 5200 mins p.a.= 86.66hrs p.a.= 3.611days= enough to take a short holiday nearby to spend the $400+: for every year that U cycle to your workplace nearby...

Cool...

tinyvoice 05-08-2014 01:27 AM

I am a cyclist, and i do cycle to work.

How do i overcome the weather condition in Singapore?

Well, I cycle pretty early in the morning around 7-8am, and 5-6pm. So usually it is not that hot at that time. However, when it rains, I have a waterproof bag and raincoat. However, the only thing is it does not protect my shoes and socks from getting soak in water.

As for the smell, i put a BO spray in office.

tinyvoice 05-08-2014 01:30 AM

Cycling to work in Singapore at times depends on the route between your office and home. It might not be possible for some people because of the traffic and suitability of the route.

ceecookie 05-08-2014 01:35 AM

http://i59.tinypic.com/oiuefd.jpg

Bike and bus scheme rah.. if only local buses have this :(

redsugar 17-08-2014 10:20 AM

pappie can install erp onto bikes.. then charge $1 per passing thru gantries..

cherry6 22-10-2014 09:49 PM

Cycling should be viable transport option in Singapore: Khaw
 
This story was printed from channelnewsasia.com

Cycling should be viable transport option in Singapore: Khaw

By Eileen Poh
POSTED: 22 Oct 2014 10:51
URL: Cycling should be viable transport option in Singapore: Khaw - Channel NewsAsia

In a blog post, National Development Minister Khaw Boon Wan noted that Singapore is "quite walkable", but lags behind cities like Amsterdam and Copenhagen, where "walking and cycling as modes of transport have been honed to be the normal way of life".
SINGAPORE: National Development Minister Khaw Boon Wan says cycling should be a viable transport option in Singapore for short trips to places like the supermarket, coffee shop, hawker centre or the nearest MRT station. For this to happen, such trips should be made safe and pleasant.

In a blog post titled "4 Wheels Good, 2 Wheels and 2 Feet Even Better" on Wednesday (22 Oct), Mr Khaw noted that Singapore is "quite walkable", with good pavements along most roads, pedestrian priority at traffic junctions and sheltered walkways.

"But we are not perfect. In fact, some cities, like Amsterdam and Copenhagen, have raised active mobility to a higher level. Walking and cycling as modes of transport have been honed to be the normal way of life. In these cities, they make up more than half of the modes of transport," he wrote.

"Bench-marked against them, we are way behind."

Cycling, he said, merely makes up one to two per cent of transport modes here. "We must now go beyond cycling for recreation," he added.

Mr Khaw highlighted initiatives such as the National Cycling Plan, which envisions a cycling network of 700km by 2030.

Next year, 100km of intra-town cycling paths in Yishun, Punggol and Bedok would have been developed. Eventually, all 26 public housing towns will have similar networks to connect homes to neighbourhood centres and MRT stations.

At the same time, the government is exploring bike sharing schemes, as well as increasing safety education programmes, such as the Safe Cycling Programme for Youth for secondary school students.

Mr Khaw's remarks came as the Centre for Liveable Cities and US-based Urban Land Institute on Wednesday launched a publication detailing recommendations to make Singapore more walkable and bicycle-friendly.

The strategies include integrating walking and cycling into public transport systems, installing amenities such as shower facilities, lockers and bicycle parking lots, and planting more trees to shield pedestrians and cyclists from the heat.

- CNA/by/xq

derrickgoh 23-10-2014 05:13 PM

With the way MANY cyclists move in Singapore, I rather they NOT bring their bicycles out on the road. :s8:

notiboey 24-10-2014 03:20 PM

Met an AMDK yesterday riding on PIE, endangering not only himself but the rest of the road users.

With this report out, i will be expecting to see more angmohs being even more reckless on the roads.

Note, it is not because they are environmentally friendly or finds it healthy, it is basically because they are no longer drawing an expat package and as they feel that cars r too expensive, hence they settle for bicycles or motorcycles.

So next time an angmoh points his middle finger at u for honking him when he rides in the middle of the road, alight and ask him if he is interested in a fight. They do not have the balls to do so, why I know? Because i tried it 3 times so far, all 3 ride away faster than i can get back into my car.


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