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Old 12-10-2017, 11:07 PM   #16
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No offense but I don't think most of your complaints are valid except for the overloading of semesters and the extra amount of damages you have to pay if you fail the course.

-It is a course with a bond. If you fail the course, of course you have to pay the damages.. just like a scholarship bond. If not where got so good? What's more, there is training allowance even during your studies.

-Starting pay low even after completing the course. That's to be expected, since to them they "paid" for your 2 years of course + training allowance.

-Lecturers and assessors CMI - that happens everywhere. just ask any local uni undergrad, most of the professors also are just textbook based and have no industry experience. After all, most of these lecturers and assessors probably have not been nurses or doctors before, how would they know ? You only learn more when you start working as a proper nurse, just like any other industry.. that's why related working experience is valued over a higher education paper (like a masters' or PHD) sometimes.

-Overloading of semesters: yes it suck but its probably a compromise. I don't think a lot of employers would be willing to wait for a person to complete a 3 year course and then offer them.. they might as well go and look for fresh diploma grads every year to join them without having to wait 3 years. And its probably because of the training allowance that they have to cut short the duration.
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No offense but I don't think most of your complaints are valid except for the overloading of semesters and the extra amount of damages you have to pay if you fail the course.

Just sharing my experience so that more people are aware of PCP-RN.


-It is a course with a bond. If you fail the course, of course you have to pay the damages.. just like a scholarship bond. If not where got so good? What's more, there is training allowance even during your studies.

For PCP, you are correct cause student & surety are both local however I cannot say the same thing for foreigners.

I have actually ask foreign students who are under sponsorship for 3 years normal Diploma courses & their reply is they do not know their actual amount for Liquidated Damages (LD). Their surety are foreigners who mostly are their parent in their home country like China. If they run away, by right Singapore Government (sponsors) needs to engage Lawyer at China to demand for DL payment. However I never hear any sponsors doing that.


-Starting pay low even after completing the course. That's to be expected, since to them they "paid" for your 2 years of course + training allowance.

Just sharing my experience so that more people are aware of 'untold' information about PCP-RN.


-Lecturers and assessors CMI - that happens everywhere. just ask any local uni undergrad, most of the professors also are just textbook based and have no industry experience. After all, most of these lecturers and assessors probably have not been nurses or doctors before, how would they know ? You only learn more when you start working as a proper nurse, just like any other industry.. that's why related working experience is valued over a higher education paper (like a masters' or PHD) sometimes.

NYP Lecturers are experience nurses who have at least a Honours/Bachelor or Master Degree. However I feels that they do not have what it take to be a Lecturer presenting topics or competent to trained a class of students (Ratio: 1 Lecturer to more then 20 students) for nursing lab.


-Overloading of semesters: yes it suck but its probably a compromise. I don't think a lot of employers would be willing to wait for a person to complete a 3 year course and then offer them.. they might as well go and look for fresh diploma grads every year to join them without having to wait 3 years. And its probably because of the training allowance that they have to cut short the duration.

Not really & actually the course fees is much cheaper if the course is 3 years rather then PCP 2 years.

During that academic year, Full time normal Diploma courses for Singaporean is $19,881.60, PR is $22,695.70 & International Students is $26,218.70 as Non-subsidised Student for that 1 year duration course fees. As Singaporean & PR, we can get subsidised such as tuition grant to bring the training course fees & DL amount down.

However NYP charge a high price of $34,475.40 for PCP Diploma courses for that 1 year duration without allowing student to have Subsidy like MOE Tuition Grant which increase the DL amount.

The funny part is our sponsorship contract are base on estimated course fees of $39,782.60 per year to draft contract.

Normally, a seller will give a price for the product to be consider by the buyer. However I am surprise why this work another way when the buyers (WDA, MOH, MOHH and sponsoring hospitals) willing to buy the product before the seller (NYP) even give the actual price.

So why did NYP charge a high price of $34,475.40 or unacceptable purchasing procedures without anyone like Auditor General's Office (AGO) questioning? To add on, why Singaporeans & PRs are not given Tuition Grant for studying full-time Diploma in Nursing (PCP)?
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Old 13-10-2017, 03:26 AM   #18
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Yes, PCP students are better now in term of receiving training allowances of $1,700 to $2,050 per month based on their prior work experience. However the higher the allowance, the higher the LD. Any point of time, they increase the allowance, PCP student have to take up & cause the LD to be higher.

More details on the computation of training allowance are as follows:

Years of Prior Work Experience: Enhanced Monthly Training Allowance
Below 2: $1,700
2-3: $1,770
4-5: $1,840
6-7: $1,910
8-9: $1,980
10 and above: $2,050

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For NS, really s.u.c.k thumbs.


I read your story and its good that u share the downsides of the pcp course. Last time the training allowance were even worst. Like $900-1000+.

Guess somewhere u also mentioned about your reservist thingy. Yeh overall NS and reservist is not really fair to sg guys. U r supposed to protect the country but front door already open to so many foreigners. And so many abnn, prc , pinoys are citizens nowadays ...
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Just sharing my experience so that more people are aware of PCP-RN.
Yes of course, you are just sharing your experience.. its up to the individual to decide whether its good or bad.

All I can say is try not to join a PCP that gives training allowance.. because with training allowance, you cannot fail and also high expectations ..

or maybe when joining the course can request for lower training allowance , that way wont have to pay back that much if fail. Or look for other programmes where there is no training allowance, this way at least maybe only have to pay for the course fees
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Not PCP programmes have allowances and are so long duration. If you draw an allowance during the programme for just studying and not working, naturally you have to pay back the allowance if you fail right? Isn't that to be expected. Of course, the lecturers in the course may try to make you fail etc.. but what do they get out of it ?
I only see the Contract after signing Letter of Undertaking for $1K of Liquidated Damages (LD) if I decided not to take up PCP sponsorship after NYP offer me a seat.

Never expected liquidated damages will be this much since Singapore Workforce Development Agency (WDA) stated that total liquidated damages (including full course fees, training allowances and career transition bonus) at the point of training completion could amount to roughly be $125,000 which is not the true facts!


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This is the estimated Estimated amount of liquidated damages upon signing deed (Training allowance is $1,900 per month upon signing deed) will be this much.

1st year = (Course Fees for 1st year + Training Allowance for 1st year + $150.00 uniform) x 110% = ($39,782.60# + $22,800.00 + $150.00) x 110% = $69,005.86

2nd year = (LD of first (1st) year + Course Fees for 2nd year + Training Allowance for 2nd year (to 5th year) + One-Time Career Transition Bonus) x 110% = ($69,005.86 + $39,782.60# + $22,800.00 + $2,000.00) x 110% = $146,947.31

However there is an increment of allowance from $1,900 to $2,050. So now the new estimated amount of liquidated damages is:

1st year = (Course Fees for 1st year + Training Allowance for 1st year + $150.00 uniform) x 110% = ($39,782.60# + $24,600.00 + $150.00) x 110% = $70,985.86

2nd year = (LD of first (1st) year + Course Fees for 2nd year + Training Allowance for 2nd year (to 5th year) + One-Time Career Transition Bonus) x 110% = ($70,985.86+ $39,782.60# + $24,600.00 + $2,000.00) x 110% = $151,105.31

* Remark: Depending on sponsoring hospital, some will included medical checkup & injection fees for DL. For this computation of LD is without it.


If one really wants to join a PCP programme, go look for those that you don't have to pay or at least don't have to pay so much if you "Fail", or those that are purely WSQ courses (this type confirm don't have to pay back).. because no way to fail to WSQ type of courses one

Hard cause no all PCP have available information such as LD amount & you will never know how they calculate the liquidated damages. Even for PCP-RN, my actual amount is also different from what WSG claim.

I am interested to be RN but no easy course, how? People chose PCP because of interest to work in that occupation & not because the course is easy.


There's no free lunch in the world.. the higher the training allowance is during the course, definitely higher expectations and all.. dont go and be greedy and want to get paid a high amount for studying

NOt all PCP have available information such as allowance. People chose PCP because of interest to work in that occupation & not because the allowance is high. We do not have the option to reject the allowance too.
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I suppose there will be quite alot of desperate people who would sign up to any pcp which gives an allowance and a guaranteed job at the end of the studies.

Not all PCP have available information such as allowance. People chose PCP because of interest to work in that occupation & not because the allowance is high. We do not have the option to reject the allowance too. Majorly of my batch including me do not hope to get allowance if possible.


But everyone must remember that nursing is a job which requires passion in order to last. Without that passion, studying and even working as a nurse will be a few years of hell. I suppose the large LD is to persuade people to think carefully before signing up. Alternatively, the program should have a "free-look" period for participants to quit in the first 3 months at a low LD of they find they are not cut out for nursing.

I agree with you that they should have a "free-look" period for participants to quit in the first 3 months at a low LD.

However they create an unfriendly environment for PCP applicant.

Before you get to see the Contract, you are force to sign Letter of Undertaking for $1K of Liquidated Damages (LD) if you decided not to take up PCP sponsorship after NYP offer you a seat.

Who would like to pay $1K for nothing & since applicant are interest in PCP, of course they will proceed to sign the contract because they don't expect to fail since they never thought that training provider and the assessment is this kind of standard.
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They will also consider those who have less then 2 years of working experience. Don't worry, your LD will be cheaper then PCP-RN cause unlike NYP who charge a high sky course fees without giving government funding like MOE tuition grant, SUSS charge a reasonable course fees with government funding.

My e2i executive workshop (especially for unemployed) classmates & I do not have a good experience for PCP. Only the freelance e2i trainers claim that they have benefits from it.

One thing bad about PCP is you will only get to sign your employment contract after graduating from course & you have no say for your salary package (wages, working hours, benefits & etc) because of your sponsorship bond.

Another thing is after bond, most of the PCP only lead you to have WSQ qualification or worst, no proper qualification. So when you want to change company for similar jobs in the industry, you found out that no one is going to hire you due to lack of qualification. However the good thing for you is at least for PCP for Social Workers, your qualification is a local university degree.


Hi, really interested in PCP program for Social Workers. But I currently just grad and studied biz dip. So just started working in 3months and need to clock 2 years min. experience. Is PCP overall not so good or mainly for RN?
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My Thoughts.....

After reading this thread, I cant help it but to LOL to some of the things mention about PCP.... thou to a certain extent I agree on some part about the high LD amount..

I think its up to individual to manage and cope with the 2yr course... Need a lot of self-discipline too... Its right that the 2yr studies and clinical attachment are not easy, but lecturers, classmates and clinical instructors are there to help... Just have to open up "golden mouth" to ask for help..

Nursing is a job where you need a lot of teamwork, critical thinking, interaction skills, and be very observant...
BUT if those individuals who are anti-social, don't enjoy group work and loner.... then I think this course is not suitable for them... Being a LONER, its impossible to sustain the 2yr course.... Can't imagine that....

But I have got a very observant classmate who is a person with few words but has excellent critical thinking and interaction skills with patients is superb, especially with older patients..

NYP is teaching the fundamentals of nursing skills and the necessary expectations(safety issues to ensure that no harm is done to the patient) needed for lab test... if not able to attain fundamental skills taught in NYP, how to nurse your patients in hospital if your hospital P&P is more complex?
Eventually, when we are back in our hospital after graduated, we need to follow our hospital P&P... Different hospital has different P&P... So we cant expect NYP to teach all right?

So to those Singaporeans and PR... if you got the passion in nursing, just try.... With the passion, I guess everything is possible... Jia you!! At least for me, I didn't think about the LD, as my objective is to graduate and be a nurse..

To those who have passion in nursing, feel free to PM me if u have any questions... but dont ask about LD amount... different hospital has different amount....

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missyMoon, you created this account today just to address this thread with one post in hwz?


After reading this thread, I cant help it but to LOL to some of the things mention about PCP.... thou to a certain extent I agree on some part about the high LD amount..

I think its up to individual to manage and cope with the 2yr course... Need a lot of self-discipline too... Its right that the 2yr studies and clinical attachment are not easy, but lecturers, classmates and clinical instructors are there to help... Just have to open up "golden mouth" to ask for help..

We are all adults & we will open our "golden mouth" to ask for help if needed since failure is never an option in our mind. Only situation will force us to withdraw or fail the course. Let be fair, there are good lecturers in NYP too. You have good lecturers for all modules does not mean my class have good lecturers for all modules. There are incompetent lecturers too.


Nursing is a job where you need a lot of teamwork, critical thinking, interaction skills, and be very observant...
BUT if those individuals who are anti-social, don't enjoy group work and loner.... then I think this course is not suitable for them... Being a LONER, its impossible to sustain the 2yr course.... Can't imagine that....

But I have got a very observant classmate who is a person with few words but has excellent critical thinking and interaction skills with patients is superb, especially with older patients..

It is a good point to share in this thread. Being a LONER is hard to sustain the course because we are involved in heavy group work. I would like to add on that there were group politics between classmates & it was different when I was studying in other full/part time courses, so be prepare. For me, I never have an issues with my subgroup and classmates. I am also well-like by my patients.


NYP is teaching the fundamentals of nursing skills and the necessary expectations(safety issues to ensure that no harm is done to the patient) needed for lab test... if not able to attain fundamental skills taught in NYP, how to nurse your patients in hospital if your hospital P&P is more complex?
Eventually, when we are back in our hospital after graduated, we need to follow our hospital P&P... Different hospital has different P&P... So we cant expect NYP to teach all right?

Full time student trained in Nursing Lab 1A & attend Clinical Placement 1A in semester 1 & they will take Nursing Lab 1B & attend Clinical Placement 1B in semester 2. PCP student trained in only Nursing Lab 1A but attended Clinical Placement 1A & partial 1B in semester 1. Similar things are happening in semester 2 & 3. In short, PCP student are assess in Clinical Placement when they are not trained but during pre-Clinical Placement briefing, student are told not to perform skills if you are not trained. Why is this so & is this safe?

I was in charge of 2 cubicles alone (1 cubicle is 6 bedded) & 1 of them is fall risk cubicle as a Nursing Student while my RNs for this 2 cubicles went for their meal. The only help is those staffs who walk pass my cubicles or I illegal (No one should leave fall risk cubicle unattended) walk over to next cubicle or ward counter to ask RN for help. This is a norm in that hospital ward & this is not even PRCP level. Why is this so & is this safe?

Everything have good & bad side. I don't encourage PCP-RN students & graduates only paint the good side of it. It good to let the public especially prospective student to know the bad side to make a good judgement if this is what they want.


So to those Singaporeans and PR... if you got the passion in nursing, just try.... With the passion, I guess everything is possible... Jia you!! At least for me, I didn't think about the LD, as my objective is to graduate and be a nurse..

To those who have passion in nursing, feel free to PM me if u have any questions... but dont ask about LD amount... different hospital has different amount....

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missyMoon, you created this account today just to address this thread with one post in hwz?
Eh no la.... use to have an account long long time ago....but cant rem the login details.... I was searching for some info on PCP allowance and chance upon this link....

We are all adults & we will open our "golden mouth" to ask for help if needed since failure is never an option in our mind. Only situation will force us to withdraw or fail the course. Let be fair, there are good lecturers in NYP too. You have good lecturers for all modules does not mean my class have good lecturers for all modules. There are incompetent lecturers too.
Incompetent lecturers...definitely have..... how to solve it.... do ur own pre-reading before class...? ask other competent lecturer for help....? Ask classmate for help...? Definitely got solution to solve it... NYP lecturer will go all the way to help the students if they think need a lot of support....

It is a good point to share in this thread. Being a LONER is hard to sustain the course because we are involved in heavy group work. I would like to add on that there were group politics between classmates & it was different when I was studying in other full/part time courses, so be prepare. For me, I never have an issues with my subgroup and classmates. I am also well-like by my patients.
Oh politics oso have.... how leh? We are adults lo.... trash it out lo.... whether as a group or class.... end of the day we have the same objective.... jus have to move on.....pass and graduate...

Full time student trained in Nursing Lab 1A & attend Clinical Placement 1A in semester 1 & they will take Nursing Lab 1B & attend Clinical Placement 1B in semester 2. PCP student trained in only Nursing Lab 1A but attended Clinical Placement 1A & partial 1B in semester 1. Similar things are happening in semester 2 & 3. In short, PCP student are assess in Clinical Placement when they are not trained but during pre-Clinical Placement briefing, student are told not to perform skills if you are not trained. Why is this so & is this safe?
I think this depend on the sponsored hospital u are in.... some reali get alot of help from hospital clinical instructor.... or NYP clinical instructor... not trained of cos dont do... can do other things.... go find EN for help.... if can wait then explain to patient, if u are well liked by patient they will accept ur explanation... defintely got solution.... critical thinking... rem?
Pre-reading for those skills not trained defintely will help...

Nursing lab need alot of practice....you need to rationalize those step by step lab skills learnt then u will know and rem the importance of each step...this part is safety issue...so fundamental skills is impt.... without this skills you cant even go out for clinical placement....

I was in charge of 2 cubicles alone (1 cubicle is 6 bedded) & 1 of them is fall risk cubicle as a Nursing Student while my RNs for this 2 cubicles went for their meal. The only help is those staffs who walk pass my cubicles or I illegal (No one should leave fall risk cubicle unattended) walk over to next cubicle or ward counter to ask RN for help. This is a norm in that hospital ward & this is not even PRCP level. Why is this so & is this safe?
If u feel u are incompetent to be in charge of 2 cubicles then learn to speak up.... speak to NYP clinical instructor...take initiative to approach any staff... doesnt work if approach RN then speak to sister from the ward... *btw no hospital will allow a student to b incharge of 2 cubicles, unless they got alot of money to get sued by patient if something were to happen*

Or do u mean u are an incharge for junior work? But that wont happen too... unless you are doing PRCP.....

There are so many options you can take.....

Everything have good & bad side. I don't encourage PCP-RN students & graduates only paint the good side of it. It good to let the public especially prospective student to know the bad side to make a good judgement if this is what they want.
Hmmmm I believe this part I already mention... The studies not easy.... support from hospital oso not easy.... so speak up will b the best solution if you have any concern...

Anyway these are my thots... so its up to others to read and determine what is best for themselves...

Nursing need constant reading and practice.... No human being are born with these set of skills.... so learn and practice....

1 truthful advice to everyone who is thinking of changing line to nursing.... if you have no passion and patience in nursing then it's better not to try....


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Eh no la.... use to have an account long long time ago....but cant rem the login details.... I was searching for some info on PCP allowance and chance upon this link....

I wonder why are you searching for some info on PCP allowance when you have already graduated? Just kinda curious there...


Incompetent lecturers...definitely have..... how to solve it.... do ur own pre-reading before class...? ask other competent lecturer for help....? Ask classmate for help...? Definitely got solution to solve it... NYP lecturer will go all the way to help the students if they think need a lot of support....

Sorry but I don't believe that NYP lecturer will go all the way to help the students just because they think need a lot of support.

As for what you have stated, I believe all PCP students have try their best on their own study plans.


Oh politics oso have.... how leh? We are adults lo.... trash it out lo.... whether as a group or class.... end of the day we have the same objective.... jus have to move on.....pass and graduate...

I think this depend on the sponsored hospital u are in.... some reali get alot of help from hospital clinical instructor.... or NYP clinical instructor... not trained of cos dont do... can do other things.... go find EN for help.... if can wait then explain to patient, if u are well liked by patient they will accept ur explanation... defintely got solution.... critical thinking... rem?
Pre-reading for those skills not trained defintely will help...

Nursing lab need alot of practice....you need to rationalize those step by step lab skills learnt then u will know and rem the importance of each step...this part is safety issue...so fundamental skills is impt.... without this skills you cant even go out for clinical placement....

The thing is we should not even discuss about hospital/NYP clinical instructor for this matter.

In the first place, NYP design and execute the curriculum which include the training & assessment for PCP-RN.

NYP deem fit that PCP-RN students MUST attend partial Clinical Placement 1B in semester 1 without any training from Nursing Lab 1B and similar things are happening in semester 2 & 3.

This is the most non-professional curriculum for educational institution that I ever seen.

It also raise a safety concern issue when PCP-RN student face a dilemma if they should perform a nursing skill on a patient for their assessment when they are not trained or crash course for it.


If u feel u are incompetent to be in charge of 2 cubicles then learn to speak up.... speak to NYP clinical instructor...take initiative to approach any staff... doesnt work if approach RN then speak to sister from the ward... *btw no hospital will allow a student to b incharge of 2 cubicles, unless they got alot of money to get sued by patient if something were to happen*

Or do u mean u are an incharge for junior work? But that wont happen too... unless you are doing PRCP.....

There are so many options you can take.....

You should know that hospital/NYP clinical instructors may not be around most of the time.

You should also know that ENs are flooding headcount that does not limited to one cubicle but the whole ward and they have things to do like serving meals, assist patients to bath & etc.

In the first place, SOP (No one should leave fall risk cubicle unattended) is set by hospital & ward RNs (nursing managers, assistant nurse clinicians, senior staff nurses, staffs nurses) should know about this.

RNs should enforce the SOPs instead of Nursing Student to remind them & worst of all, they still carry on with their meal & let Nursing Student to manage 2 cubicles because Nursing Student is competent to do so. Ward Managers walk pass see this like a norm and nothing happen next.


Hmmmm I believe this part I already mention... The studies not easy.... support from hospital oso not easy.... so speak up will b the best solution if you have any concern...

Anyway these are my thots... so its up to others to read and determine what is best for themselves...

Nursing need constant reading and practice.... No human being are born with these set of skills.... so learn and practice....

1 truthful advice to everyone who is thinking of changing line to nursing.... if you have no passion and patience in nursing then it's better not to try....


Thank you. & Good night....

Since you touch on 'pre-reading before class', 'Nursing need constant reading and practice & etc, I would also like to share this to the public.

Each chapter is around 1 hour lesson which is the reason by around week 8, you will have your exam for that module(s) which mean around week 4, you will have your test(s).

Not forgetting you still have group projects and to watch stupid VOD videos that can only access in school in order to present in class.

If you have family commitment like children, you will lesser time for yourself such as self study.

Oh, forget to mention that there are a few divorce (or BGR breakup) cases because no time to spend with spouse and children.

And maybe financial problem too cause allowance is not enough to cover family expenses.

So better think carefully (& discuss with spouse) before committing to PCP-RN.
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I have a close friend who is from PCP-RN. He is sponsor by a private community hospital (almost like a Nursing Home) & he graduated from NYP. Fresh graduate will get 'provisional' licence & needs to pass their provision to get full licence.

Private community hospital do not have much budget which they rely on foreigners for position like nurses for low wages and they do not have a proper documents for performance training like logbook.

So my close friend claim that the hospital did not calculate their budget properly & now want to 'kick him out while recover some money from liquidated damages'. They fail his provision period & extend few months (last chance before his licence revoked). Since his ward, only he is a local while the rest are foreigners. So foreigners do not have problem to 'assist' in failing him cause he is the odd one out. Those who are sponsored by public hospital may not face this bad situation as him.

His liquidated damages (LD) in his contract is around $160+K & after working for more then 6 months, his hospital share with him that his LD still remain $120+K. This lead him to depression and suicidal thoughts.

So I advice anyone who want to join PCP to think twice especially related to healthcare like PCP-RN.
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I have a close friend who is from PCP-RN. He is sponsor by a private community hospital (almost like a Nursing Home) & he graduated from NYP. Fresh graduate will get 'provisional' licence & needs to pass their provision to get full licence.

Private community hospital do not have much budget which they rely on foreigners for position like nurses for low wages and they do not have a proper documents for performance training like logbook.

So my close friend claim that the hospital did not calculate their budget properly & now want to 'kick him out while recover some money from liquidated damages'. They fail his provision period & extend few months (last chance before his licence revoked). Since his ward, only he is a local while the rest are foreigners. So foreigners do not have problem to 'assist' in failing him cause he is the odd one out. Those who are sponsored by public hospital may not face this bad situation as him.

His liquidated damages (LD) in his contract is around $160+K & after working for more then 6 months, his hospital share with him that his LD still remain $120+K. This lead him to depression and suicidal thoughts.

So I advice anyone who want to join PCP to think twice especially related to healthcare like PCP-RN.
After reading your post in the forum, I must thank you for the insights of the PCP conversion programme. I had applied for the PCP for Physiotherapy, but i wasn't shortlisted for the course eventually. A lot of times, I have been asking myself if I should also try out for Nursing as well, however, i know this isn't my cup of tea. Also given the fact that it's an accelerated 2 years course instead of a 3 years course, something just tells me things are not quite right. After reading what you had discussed in HWZ, I am very thankful for you to share in this forum. Everyone can know better before joining for any conversion programme course in the future. I guess the same things should apply in the PCP Physiotherapy course that I applied last year. I was relatively concerned on the liquidated damages because there was no way where I can get to know the amount. I was hopeful in getting a successful interview first before finding out what the LD amounts to. Like what you had said, the liquidated damages may not amount up to $125K, and this was drafted in their brochures. I am also quite shocked that the contract was only presented after signing the Letter of Undertaking. Seems to be me that there are lot of things that was untold of before joining/ signing the Letter of Undertaking as I believe at that point of time, your interest in the the RN course comes first before anything else. This includes the understanding of the qualification recognition as well.
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Last time, PCP for Physiotherapy (PCP-P) is at Diploma level. If not wrong, PCP-P will still get government subsidies like tuition grants cause it is the same 3 years course as full time. This mean LD amounts will be much lower compare to 2 years PCP-RN.

Now, PCP-P is at Degree level which is the reason why it is more expensive. But PCP-P still get government subsidies like tuition grants to bring down the LD while this is not given to PCP-RN.

So all courses like PCP-P, you will know how much the course fees & able to give you details information like LD. Only PCP-RN, it is up to NYP to give a course fees after class start. Individual will needs to go NYP office to get the invoice to know the actual amount of course fees & use the calculation formula in sponsorship deed to know your actual LD amount.

Don't ask me why this is double standard. Normally, a seller will give a price for the product to be consider by the buyer. However I am surprise why this work another way when the buyers (WDA, MOH, MOHH and sponsoring hospitals) willing to buy the product before the seller (NYP) even give the actual price.

It is up to Auditor General's Office (AGO) to question:

1) Why did NYP charge a high price or unacceptable purchasing procedures?

2) Why MOE give Singaporeans & PRs Tuition Grant for studying full-time Diploma in Nursing (PCP) but NYP did not apply for it?


After reading your post in the forum, I must thank you for the insights of the PCP conversion programme. I had applied for the PCP for Physiotherapy, but i wasn't shortlisted for the course eventually. A lot of times, I have been asking myself if I should also try out for Nursing as well, however, i know this isn't my cup of tea. Also given the fact that it's an accelerated 2 years course instead of a 3 years course, something just tells me things are not quite right. After reading what you had discussed in HWZ, I am very thankful for you to share in this forum. Everyone can know better before joining for any conversion programme course in the future. I guess the same things should apply in the PCP Physiotherapy course that I applied last year. I was relatively concerned on the liquidated damages because there was no way where I can get to know the amount. I was hopeful in getting a successful interview first before finding out what the LD amounts to. Like what you had said, the liquidated damages may not amount up to $125K, and this was drafted in their brochures. I am also quite shocked that the contract was only presented after signing the Letter of Undertaking. Seems to be me that there are lot of things that was untold of before joining/ signing the Letter of Undertaking as I believe at that point of time, your interest in the the RN course comes first before anything else. This includes the understanding of the qualification recognition as well.
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Just for Information

Nursing School like NYP will pay Hospital (HP) to train their Nursing Students (NS).

NYP will get their own Clinical Instructor (CI) (Most of them are part timer or freelancer) to 'supervise & coordinate' between NYP, HP & NS.

HP will get their own CI to train NS.

For PRCP (pre-registration consolidation posting), NS will be mentor under a Clinical Preceptor (CP).


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I have a Senior who claim that during PRCP, CP is happily chatting with her friends instead of mentoring him.

NS were trained to observe their surrounding & know that his CP comment badly about his PRCP performance to NYP CI.

When NYP fail him, he appeal & requested a meeting (NYP Management, NYP CI, HP Management, HP CI & CP) & start to shoot back them.

If his PRCP performance is bad, why CP is not there to mentor & correct him?

CP fail him but why NYP CI did not even interview him before failing him (Before fail him, NYP CI needs to write in report the reason of failing. Really is blindly copy CP comment & paste it on report)?

HP CI know what happen long ago from NS & ask what can she help but inside meeting, she keep quiet.

NYP Management (& Staffs) always wayang & roti prata their statement as per what my senior claim. I encounter it myself firsthand. NYP Management is not there to help him investigate & assist his appeal. First tell him to just pay (Around $7K if I am not wrong) for PRCP 3rd time. Then he tell them if NYP provide free PRCP 3rd time, he will go. Then NYP say according to policy, he should be out of course cause he can only fail 2 times. He ask NYP to show policy & NYP say cannot show. Then NYP keep chasing him cause they only interested to ask him withdraw from PCP-RN course. NYP is always not consistent with their statement.


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One of the nurse role is to be patient's advocate & nurse educator should be student's advocate. Where is the advocate when nursing students needs them the most?

I feels disgusting because Nurse (Educator) should not act hallowed & put similar things to your job description & etc if you cannot uphold it!
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