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Old 13-07-2018, 12:30 PM   #181
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he was the former MP rite?

anyhoo, i think the main difference is the people.

we're the sort that are really easy to rule over lol
No he’s not. I think his wife Claire Chiang was an ex NMP. Not him.

The interesting thing is Mr Ho himself was once anti establishment and quite a freedom fighter. He was once a journalist and wrote some articles that angered LKY and was thrown into prison. That was before he went to Stanford to study (he’s from a loaded family). Looks like he’s sold out his principles and dignity to the devil since then.
https://www.bbc.com/news/11910973
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Old 13-07-2018, 12:44 PM   #182
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I never said I was rich but you admitted the 30% are poor.

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LOL don’t be a fool. I know lots of well to do people who are part of the 30%. You’re just using your own 井底蛙 peasant outlook and projecting that onto others. To u, u think as long as someone is comfortable and financially secure, they will not have any higher aspirations and values. That’s because that’s you, low on the Maslow hierarchy. In fact, I guess it’s u who’s poor that’s why you’ve such weird thoughts.

A lot of ppl subscribe to liberal values due to exposure overseas and they went overseas cuz their parents are rich
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Old 13-07-2018, 12:48 PM   #183
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Who is this bugger, jump 1 company to another

His wife also
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Old 13-07-2018, 12:50 PM   #184
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Who is this bugger, jump 1 company to another

His wife also
He owns Banyan tree. He took over family business and restructured it into Banyan tree. All the other things are just his 课外活动
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Old 13-07-2018, 12:51 PM   #185
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Iíve never stayed at Banyan Tree. It always looked to me like a cheap version of Aman resorts.
*thumb up*

You have not missed anything at all. Spend your money elsewhere
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Old 13-07-2018, 12:55 PM   #186
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this kind .. seriously.
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Old 13-07-2018, 01:02 PM   #187
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No he’s not. I think his wife Claire Chiang was an ex NMP. Not him.

The interesting thing is Mr Ho himself was once anti establishment and quite a freedom fighter. He was once a journalist and wrote some articles that angered LKY and was thrown into prison. That was before he went to Stanford to study (he’s from a loaded family). Looks like he’s sold out his principles and dignity to the devil since then.
https://www.bbc.com/news/11910973
Every time I see him I remember Banyan Tree. Don’t know why. Haha.

KL now has Banyan Tree.
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Old 13-07-2018, 01:04 PM   #188
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yeah.....that's why one should be working in sme....so small, nothing much to do and profit pour in by itself.
Small place don’t get profit pouring in by itself but it is easier to control. Nothing wrong with the statement you quoted. When we are talking about authoritarian dictatorship, ease of control is all about size. That’s why despite far more draconian laws, ppl who have lived in both tiong and Sg have said Sg is actually less free because it’s so tiny it’s totally under PAP thumb and sealed up. There’s a lot of places to dodge and hide in China and when I say places, I dun just mean literal physical spaces.
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Old 13-07-2018, 01:07 PM   #189
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it will be FOOLISH mistake think PAP will suffer because is the PEOPLE SUFFER EVEN MORE AS YEARS GONE BY
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Old 13-07-2018, 01:24 PM   #190
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No heís not. I think his wife Claire Chiang was an ex NMP. Not him.

The interesting thing is Mr Ho himself was once anti establishment and quite a freedom fighter. He was once a journalist and wrote some articles that angered LKY and was thrown into prison. That was before he went to Stanford to study (heís from a loaded family). Looks like heís sold out his principles and dignity to the devil since then.
https://www.bbc.com/news/11910973



whoa this is new.
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Old 13-07-2018, 02:16 PM   #191
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No you said "you" referring to me pretty clearly unless you were inferring that I'm part of the opposition.
Ahh, my bad...the "you" was talking about the opp candidates, particularly csj



Now you're going backwards again and I'll have to take it back. Won't csj fighting for democracy serve the above agreed agenda for everyone? Its better if you be more precise and elaborate your subjective opinion about his whining.

You literally just said a few sentences above "there's a case to be made for fair and equal election", then you u-turned and don't care its unfair? You sound confused. Now you are just repeating yourself. For starters, whether for GE or PE they are not even a truly democratic procedure anymore responsible for the actions of the elected ones, as there is no transparency, control and meritocracy. For the damages they cause to the country or the people, the election system itself IS not fair to the people.

No i dont think there is a contradiction. One may think there is a good cause for something to exist but not necessarily care about it, politically.

For eg. I think there is a good case to be made for right to marraige to be extended to homosexuals. But i dont care about it. I am not going to vote differently because of it. If there is a candidate that whines about the lack of marriage equality in SG, the electorate isnt going to care.

Same thing for csj. he can talk until the cows come home about democracy, but Singaporeans primarily care more about cost of living, jobs, the economy, gst etc.

You might say that makes him passionate about that issue, i would say he just has the wrong idea of what people care about.
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Old 13-07-2018, 02:23 PM   #192
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Show proof of your claim on 30%.
Does such data even exist?

I am making inferences from what i observe in EDMW. The 30% in here is misogynist, mildly chauvinistic, hates refugees and FTs.

So why among these people, there is a huge support for welfare? Are these people are actually rich successful people who care about the poor people? Or lazy incompetent losers who believe the state owes them a living.

I think the latter.
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Old 13-07-2018, 02:29 PM   #193
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So foolish of him to count the eggs before it hatch 🐣
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Old 13-07-2018, 02:36 PM   #194
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sagu point the logic of "professional politicians" will certainly be hard-sell because it differs from the norm especially when you compare it to other countries' political systems




sagu corrects jayjay007 that the concept of "professional politicians" should first and foremost consider the candidate's character & capability to manage Singapore and then offers the equitable compensation to attract the candidates to be a servant of the country rather than the other way round as suggested


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worker's party and CSJ must understand that most top civil servants are able to manage Singapore...

and should do more research into why top civil servants do not agree to the policies that they advocate...
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Old 13-07-2018, 02:45 PM   #195
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Majority of msians are not well educated. When comes to politics it is more effective to play race and emotions.

Sinkies on the other hand are typically more selfish and care more about their vested interests, hence will choose the lesser evil relative to self interests

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