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Old 13-01-2021, 11:00 PM   #241
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I don't think it's due to inability to recognize heat stroke, just a truly farked up person who take ppl's lives for granted

So glad he's dead

If The cpt who has more than 10 years of soldiering experience yet could not recongnise heat stroke... How can a medic with only a few month of experience do? I do not want to say saf medic training is cmi... Those who has served please share?

So whose problem is it for a cpt unable to identify heat stroke isnt the answer clear?

When mas selamat got away who got punished? When the poor boy died of smoke grenade inhalation who got punished?
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Old 13-01-2021, 11:06 PM   #242
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Humans are always trying to lie to themselves and shake away the obvious.

People already said was pancake; they gave it a milder term. Remember the fella who kena pancaked on the landrover?

Flooding say ponding. Well done.
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Old 13-01-2021, 11:13 PM   #243
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If The cpt who has more than 10 years of soldiering experience yet could not recongnise heat stroke... How can a medic with only a few month of experience do? I do not want to say saf medic training is cmi... Those who has served please share?

So whose problem is it for a cpt unable to identify heat stroke isnt the answer clear?

When mas selamat got away who got punished? When the poor boy died of smoke grenade inhalation who got punished?
when in doubt, just send in to have a medical check.....life in danger
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Old 13-01-2021, 11:46 PM   #244
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Old 14-01-2021, 04:31 AM   #245
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Even yan luo wang oso know dave's parents wont get proper justice in mindef court

So he send his own leftenants come here do the job
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Old 14-01-2021, 04:45 AM   #247
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Last time my platoon mate from Cougar company tio heat stroke from route march and lucky my officer made the correct decision to heli evac and we were told his temperature was at 42 degree. This kind of thing cannot delay or really will rip one.
Did this happen during 2008?
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Old 14-01-2021, 05:12 AM   #248
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Old 14-01-2021, 05:14 AM   #249
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So obvious

This captain thinks he's very smart.
Keep insisting he's right & wait & wait

But Captain's death doesn't absolve SAF
SAF should still be answerable
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Old 14-01-2021, 05:19 AM   #250
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If The cpt who has more than 10 years of soldiering experience yet could not recongnise heat stroke... How can a medic with only a few month of experience do? I do not want to say saf medic training is cmi... Those who has served please share?

So whose problem is it for a cpt unable to identify heat stroke isnt the answer clear?

When mas selamat got away who got punished? When the poor boy died of smoke grenade inhalation who got punished?
The captain is a barometer for nothing

Based on what's described to have happened, I don't think any reasonable person would think Dave Lee was tired or exhausted. He seems incoherent.
He couldn't speak or drink

This is definitely serious
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Old 14-01-2021, 05:22 AM   #251
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as usual all scared kena marked so nobody dare defy, protocols in place becum useless if nobody dare speak up
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Old 14-01-2021, 05:23 AM   #252
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Old 14-01-2021, 05:24 AM   #253
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I agree it was a failure of leadership



If EDMW is to be believed, we have an endemic cultural issue where it is celebrated that buay keng buay choot peng. There is an environment where your peers jeer at you if you try to serve NS with duty and honour.

OTOH The people in the SAF have KPIs and a duty to try to turn these reluctant recruits into a semblance of a fighting unit.

How then?
For those sergeants etc who were charged, if I was in charge, I will be very careful

If they were too lenient, it'll mean a soldier will successful get away with faking injury , fatigue etc.
But that soldier can be fixed later

But if they got it wrong, it'll mean the soldier can die or suffer from life long injuries

So its obvious what any decent person in the shoes of the sergeants should do.
Let the soldier faking it, get away with it
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Old 14-01-2021, 06:16 AM   #254
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as usual all scared kena marked so nobody dare defy, protocols in place becum useless if nobody dare speak up
these same cowards later enter workforce would be orpit eunuch or PLP fools
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Old 14-01-2021, 06:58 AM   #255
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1. NS reduce from 2.5 yr to 2 yr
2. Regular want to hit their kpi to get promoted
3. NS only 5 days work week not
5.5days work week
4. Medical center ( not sure still got or not) training department.(usually sat before book out is drill day)(lead by senior medic staff Sgt and above)
5. NSF medic to hit quota of 200 IV per month(not sure unit or MO got give such requirements)
6. Units MO to give full authorized power for covering medic to make decisions if feel not right or live endanger during the training over all rank (covering medic must at least a 3rd Sgt) to evacuate off-site .

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