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Old 13-02-2020, 01:35 AM   #151
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On point number 1, I feel that it is totally not possible for the government to totally prevent infected people from China to come into Singapore, given the long incubation period of the virus. If we look at all the imported cases, they were all asymptomatic during the flight here before developing symptoms after they entered Singapore. This is due to the longer incubation period of the virus.

Even if the government were to close the borders to China earlier or when the first case was detected here, it was already too late. And earlier on the infection rate was still mostly confined to Wuhan only and it's not feasible to close the border just based on that.
Not true. Countries who acted fast have very little case to worry about and don't even need to waste so much masks, so much effort to now try to curb the virus. You let the source in, it will multiply. If we closed the border earlier on, the chances of imported cases will be very minimal. Hell sure will be less than half of the 50 cases now.
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Old 13-02-2020, 01:35 AM   #152
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Por lampah Soh will forever be lampah Soh. How many 50c in your account already? 50c no need critical thinking, lol por lampah say until critical thinking. Time to tell us you weight the left and right balls, which side heavier?

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1 car accident -> should ban cars
1 bicycle accident -> should ban bicycles
1 PMD death -> ban PMD
1 foreign death due to virus -> ban all travelers

Basically if any 1 case happens, just do an outright ban.

No need critical thinking. Don't need to weigh options.

No wonder so many people got scammed and lose money in stocks.
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Old 13-02-2020, 01:37 AM   #153
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Published 27 JANUARY, 2020

UPDATED 27 JANUARY, 2020


SINGAPORE — Cautioning against overreaction and xenophobia, National Development Minister Lawrence Wong said on Monday (Jan 27) that a complete ban on travellers from China due to the Wuhan coronavirus is not necessary at the moment.
Never see if the hospital can cope with an outbreak or not. Never think if we r heavily populated... only know how tell us not to over react.

So many cannot line the doted lines n tell us public transport Low risk. Information don’t want to release out for us to self check. If we want to be self quarantine also need to have some infor right.
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Old 13-02-2020, 01:51 AM   #154
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Nicely written. Agree fully.

Especially agree with the raiding of the grocers.....knn...

Lam said masks were sufficient but masks everywhere out of stock and then someone come out to say food supplies sufficient and orange level thereafter.

Bloody hell, if you’re a sinkie on the ground, you wouldn’t chiong ntuc or what nots?

Why the f should we be blamed for the supermarket run knn?

If you already tio dua with the mask fiasco, you wanna wait until you really Teng kor and underwear wet and soiled then you take action?

It’s like you know... mask 😷 $20... you don’t wanna buy, say expensive la and cock lah and someone said sufficient, so no need to panic. don’t worry action would be taken on profiteering and prices would be back to normal and cheap ASAP 1.

Now it’s fugging $50/box Liao knn.

How many of the fugging words said can be trusted you ask yourself.

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Old 13-02-2020, 01:55 AM   #155
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Why the f should we be called xenophobic for wanting to bar the tiongs when days later the tiongs were barred?

F it... we Kum lan or Hi gong?

Fugging masks sufficient and profiteering would be taken action, now it’s out of stock every fug where and some close to $50/box.

Knn. We Sor Hai no eyes to see is it??


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Old 13-02-2020, 02:02 AM   #156
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On hind sight, your analysis is good.

Should we be the first one to ban China flight from coming in, we may have lesser imported case, I’m pretty sure our country won’t have an easy time later.
in the end we were still one of the first to 'ban' chinese entering isn' it? and economy still suffers, with no end in sight...
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Old 13-02-2020, 02:03 AM   #157
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Pap trying to get good economic results this year to call for erection. Now it seems like the economy is gonna get worst. Even during sars time u never seen so kosong streets. Now no need erection Liao and property bubble may even burst. Song boh.
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Old 13-02-2020, 02:07 AM   #158
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I dislike how the government keeps downplaying the issue, like what the others have mentioned. As citizens, we have the right to voice our concerns, but each time our concerns are brushed aside with flimsy excuses.

Unfortunately, I believe I have some acquaintances who keep supporting the government's slow actions. Which leads me to believe that even when trouble is at their doorstep, they will still support them. These acquaintances will probably volunteer to become human shields if asked to do so.
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Old 13-02-2020, 02:11 AM   #159
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1. Putting GDP at the forefront, above its people

- In the immediate aftermath of the Wuhan lockdown, the gahmen chose to tread carefully to not offend Xi. Instead of assessing how best to protect its people against the unknown contagiousness of the virus, they conveniently played for time by using the xenophobia tag against the many crying for a decisive closure of its doors. The Wuhan ban came a day after this tag was used. Besides being a slap on the face of the person who uttered it, it showed how meaningless and poorly thought of it was. It is like you shoot down a suggestion in a meeting just so you get air time, only for the suggestion to be implemented the very next day.

- Whilst China is an important and friendly trading partner for us, it's a double edged sword here in that we are the most (or second most after Thailand) popular destination for tourism and work for Chinese nationals. Surely our actions have to be as fast as China given our influx of Chinese nationals? We are almost like a province outside of China! Surely someone would have appreciated the severity that China is expediently locking down Wuhan and many neighbouring cities, something that was unheard of?

- In contrast, Macau was fast - in giving out masks, shutting down casinos even though the casino taxes make up more than 80% of government taxes. They put people above GDP. Since the closure, it's been seven days and counting of having no new cases. Meanwhile in Singapore, we are now told to prepare for the worst.


2. Allowing market forces to play out

- The shortage of masks in Singapore was easily solved by other countries like Taiwan and Macau whereby the government rationed and controlled the sales. They treated their citizens like adults, admitting when they had insufficient supply. They trusted the citizens to understand and to ration their own usage.

- I'm sure we would all have greatly benefited from a similar system in Singapore. We are mature enough to understand priority goes to the healthcare workers and needy and the common folks might have to ration their usage. We could have planned our travel/work from home schedules accordingly if we have insufficient masks for the week.

- Please don't tell me healthy people do not need masks, and that it does not spread through casual contact. Have we not had cases of casino workers, quarantine officers, co-workers in conferences seemingly getting the disease from 'casual' contact? We all work in a globalised workforce and I am sure your meetings and interaction with your co-workers in the office would be more than just 'casual', however they define it.

- The lack of trust both ways showed in the raiding of supermarkets. The average Singaporean would look at the assurance of masks supply vs the empty shelves in pharmacies and then think the same could happen for food supplies. Of course the gahmen just conveniently blamed the behaviour of the people, forgetting that it all arose cause no one truly believed their elusive stockpiles, be it masks or food. Or rather, a packed warehouse does not translate to the citizens being able to use it, at least that is the current case with masks.


3. Instead of sharing plans and strategy, there were just meaningless motherhood statements

- Too many to list here but you know lah. "united together" "wash your hands" "don't discriminate healthcare workers" "we learnt from SARS"

- No one know what plans they had in converting hospitals or wards should the spread get more serious. There was no assurance they have had every angle thought out. One day it was not serious, then no community spread, then limited spread and now of course, prepare for the worst

- The weather is more predictable than the severity of the situation in Singapore. Of course not forgetting we started off with a it's not as deadly as SARS evaluation.


I took effort to type this WOT so please tell me what you agree or disagree in a civil manner non-EDMW style.

a coin has 2 side....
furthermore, u can't please everyone when decision are made
every decision has its con as well as its pro



time will tell whether those decisions made by ruling parties are effective against wuhan virus

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Old 13-02-2020, 02:12 AM   #160
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i am not faulting the govt for everything. there will be cases no matter how hard they try and cannot simply turn away tiong visitors like that at the snap of a finger.

but they reacted too slowly and till now insufficient measures taken

the other day i said about taxi taking particulars of passengers during sars period.is it done now? no.

this is a failure on the Lee Hsien Loong govt's part. no one is making the necessary decisions now waiting for things to explode only

they are basing it off "official" figures in China, regarding mortaity rate. which even WHO disputes

they are keeping fingers crossed that there are no super spreaders already out there in Singapore and that this rly plays out to be like common flu

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Old 13-02-2020, 02:14 AM   #161
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One sentence.

Risk/Cost benefit analysis. Stupid.

Keyboard warriors will remain as keyboard warriors.

1 car accident -> should ban cars
1 bicycle accident -> should ban bicycles
1 PMD death -> ban PMD
1 foreign death due to virus -> ban all travelers

Basically if any 1 case happens, just do an outright ban.

No need critical thinking. Don't need to weigh options.

No wonder so many people got scammed and lose money in stocks.
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Old 13-02-2020, 02:48 AM   #162
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I think this issue has woken up a lot of Singaporeans.

They finally see that the gahmen is pretty clueless, wasn't decisive and when it mattered most (like masks supply), they chose to just nag and not put systems in place

I blame the 70% for encouraging complacency in the whites for many many years.

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I wouldn't go so far bro. Loads of singaporeans (especially the older ones) still trust the gahmen. Hate to say it...but that's the truth.

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Old 13-02-2020, 02:53 AM   #163
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ya 70% still trusts pap govt la. a few wavered but not all.

u want them to lose trust, wait for people to start dropping like flies like wuhan
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Old 13-02-2020, 03:11 AM   #164
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I already don’t believe when they said masks enough. N I’m right. Just that busy no buy. Sian
Only have some that I bought to wear if I’m sick

Left less than 500gram of rice at home when they change alert. Of coz I need to buy. How to trust them. But but but pls don’t hoard until way overboard. 1-2weeks max 1mth ba. If everyone 3mths, where got enough for everyone. But, at least we can be assured these won’t be shipped out. unlike masks. Totally never see a packet since they said plenty of stock
Oh I saw the 4pcs/household. Not counted.

The group now leading is really cmi. I know they r stressed etc but they r not proactive. But the health minister said now all 腹膜炎 will go thru test too.
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Old 13-02-2020, 03:13 AM   #165
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Bros, kindly think back to the previous sagas that required the government to step in, and evaluate for yourselves. Are you still surprised?
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