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#MourinhoOut 10-08-2018 12:48 AM

Good window, we managed to keep Fellaini and Rojo!

jahtl62 10-08-2018 12:51 AM

Mauricio Pochettino discusses Toby Alderweireld future and sheds light on failed Manchester United move

Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino says the club did not receive any offers from Manchester United for defender Toby Alderweireld.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/09/mauri...5/?ito=cbshare

Media had been saying for several weeks Man Utd had been trying to sign him. :s13:

ticcan 10-08-2018 01:04 AM

The best news is we keep De Gea because real have signed Courtois instead.

Asakura 10-08-2018 01:08 AM

fans will still choose to believe.
"no smoke without fire"
Quote:

Originally Posted by jahtl62 (Post 115920311)
Mauricio Pochettino discusses Toby Alderweireld future and sheds light on failed Manchester United move

Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino says the club did not receive any offers from Manchester United for defender Toby Alderweireld.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/09/mauri...5/?ito=cbshare

Media had been saying for several weeks Man Utd had been trying to sign him. :s13:


Asakura 10-08-2018 01:11 AM

cos tis one no out bandwagon to join. say him no use :s13:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragnarok95 (Post 115920106)
How he lost the plot when ED is the one doing all the negotiations???


spykid 10-08-2018 01:27 AM

Good. Now the transfer window is closed and no more silly transfer rumours, we can get on to the real football. Not fussed about getting no one if it's not a right winger. Actually we did get Fred yeah, hopefully he's the missing piece for United in a successful season with Pogba and Alexis stepping up. We haven't got a bad football team at all, people

spykid 10-08-2018 01:29 AM

By the way Everton's market is crazy

Mina, Bernard and Gomes, and the Watford guy for 50m! And Zouma loan!

stam 10-08-2018 01:31 AM

Everton big winner! Lol

jahtl62 10-08-2018 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spykid (Post 115920573)
Good. Now the transfer window is closed and no more silly transfer rumours, we can get on to the real football. Not fussed about getting no one if it's not a right winger. Actually we did get Fred yeah, hopefully he's the missing piece for United in a successful season with Pogba and Alexis stepping up. We haven't got a bad football team at all, people

All the 1st team players remain. Since Mourinho came here until now only Depay & Blind left. Carrick retired.

guile 10-08-2018 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spykid (Post 115920593)
By the way Everton's market is crazy

Mina, Bernard and Gomes, and the Watford guy for 50m! And Zouma loan!

lol, they got 2 players we are linked with all in the final day.

I think it's obvious the board is no longer backing JM after his failure to win any trophies last season. His ranting during the pre season saying negative things about our players, youngsters and even fans does not help matters either.

Guess the board members must have drawn the line somewhere and see how he'll fare with the players HE BROUGHT IN and whip them into title winning contenders instead of whining even further that they are not good enough. If he can't work with setbacks and can only do it if everything is perfect to his whims and ways, then he's not fit to be our manager. That's the challenge of being a manager isn't it? To turn out good results when times are tough. The only one making things difficult is himself and his negative attitude and approach to the challenges ahead. Now he's giving the vibes that he's admitting defeat even before the season starts. Not getting the 2 players he wanted is not the end of the season. He still have a good team to work with.

ticcan 10-08-2018 02:25 AM

Do Spurs fans have this much despair not signing anyone?
Unlike us.

beano 10-08-2018 04:46 AM

They deserve what they got! Worst transfer window of all time

Asakura 10-08-2018 07:26 AM

https://i.imgur.com/szWP0Lf.jpg

Asakura 10-08-2018 07:27 AM

den this board is damn jialat
its not as if he finished mid table
Quote:

Originally Posted by guile (Post 115920721)
I think it's obvious the board is no longer backing JM after his failure to win any trophies last season.


ragnarok95 10-08-2018 07:33 AM

To be honest here, if you were in the board, will you even just give Jose the money?

Having the money is not the only concern you have on board.

Asakura 10-08-2018 07:43 AM

"From what I read + hear it is difficult to believe we finished 2nd. You (media) are capable of making people who finished 2nd look like they got relegated + people who finished below us look like serial winners." -Jose

thenakedshades 10-08-2018 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ticcan (Post 115920917)
Do Spurs fans have this much despair not signing anyone?
Unlike us.

I Guess this season, Spurs is pretty short of finding. Most of their money went to build the new stadium.

thenakedshades 10-08-2018 07:46 AM

Everton will definitely seem like a top 6 contender with their new signings, that is if the manager donít fade off like he did during his last 2 spells

Asakura 10-08-2018 07:51 AM

we did sign Fred lol
im just glad we didnt buy Maguire for like what? 70mil?
this i gotta give credit to them for not caving in.
edit: also, Mina was sold for half the amount offered to us.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ragnarok95 (Post 115921576)
To be honest here, if you were in the board, will you even just give Jose the money?

Having the money is not the only concern you have on board.


Asakura 10-08-2018 07:54 AM

https://i.imgur.com/cVDesin.jpg
Quote:

Originally Posted by ahbard (Post 115917987)
On Diego Godin, his agent engaged in interesting tactics. Agent approached @ManUtd and said player was keen to join. United made an approach to @atletienglish but within hours, Godin signed new, improved deal worth 7.5million euros a year! Nice!


DanielTng 10-08-2018 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guile (Post 115920721)
lol, they got 2 players we are linked with all in the final day.

I think it's obvious the board is no longer backing JM after his failure to win any trophies last season. His ranting during the pre season saying negative things about our players, youngsters and even fans does not help matters either.

Guess the board members must have drawn the line somewhere and see how he'll fare with the players HE BROUGHT IN and whip them into title winning contenders instead of whining even further that they are not good enough. If he can't work with setbacks and can only do it if everything is perfect to his whims and ways, then he's not fit to be our manager. That's the challenge of being a manager isn't it? To turn out good results when times are tough. The only one making things difficult is himself and his negative attitude and approach to the challenges ahead. Now he's giving the vibes that he's admitting defeat even before the season starts. Not getting the 2 players he wanted is not the end of the season. He still have a good team to work with.

Personally, I don't think Jose is interested in any of the central defenders speculated by the medias namely Mina, Maguire, Aldreweireld or even Kurt Zouma. If he is keen, apart from Mcguire and Alderweireld who are priced out of reach, the other two should be in the pocket.

It is clear in United that although ED looks after the commercial part in the process of the purchase, the choice of the player requires the nod from the manager.

From what I view, Jose is eyeing the big one in term of Bale or Willian. Apart from the unwillingness from the clubs that are not prepared to release the players, these players are priced excessively - far beyond their market value.
Next, to get in these players would results in the further side-lining of Martial - a player that United refuse to let go off and the fringing of Marcus Rashford who would have lesser games to play.

ED is not into the footballing matters and in this case, he must have been advised by somebody within the United's footballing hierrachy. Bale - unless we pay stupid monies to RM for them to pick up Mbappe, RM is not selling Bale, that left us with Willian and Chelsea wants big monies - not unless Jose is willing to chip in and go help with the deal with Roman. Anyway, Roman cannot sell anyway cheaper than the price that they had turned down Barcelona even if he were to want to be nice to Jose.

So at the end of the day, unless it is the players targeted by Jose, ED is buying nobody and hawkish fans would pin the blame on ED.

Looking at the Premier League top teams - none of the top 6 teams had any top attacking players roped in. This is a season whereby top attacking upfield players availability is next to none.

So, if none are available and none of the top clubs manage to get hold any top prominent attacking upfield players as we do, why should Jose or ourselves be complaining.

We have top quality players in Martial, Rashford, Lakaku, Alexis, and Pogba to support as attacking mid to make good.

Next we have the additions of Fred and Andreas Perierra to our midfield line-up of Pogba, Mata, Felliani, Hererra, Matic, and Jessie Lingard.

We may say that we only had 4 front line players. Well, it is rarely the case when Jose fielded both Martial and Rashford in the same team. So, with the prsence of Jessie Lingard or Mata on the wing, either Martial or Rashford had to be on the bench. So, ED must have been advised that why pay stupid big monies on Willian or Bale and allow Jose to further trash Martial and causing further unrest and further diminish Rashford by letting him having lesser games.

For the defense, we have 12 players in term of:

Antonio Valencia, Smalling, Jones, Lindelof, Bailly, Shaw, Marcus Rojo, Ashley Young, Matteo Darmain, Tuanzebe, Diogo Dalot such that even Tuanzebe and Fosu Mensah had to be loaned out.

So, unless Jose is willing to offload any of these 12 defenders, we can't be getting more defenders in and having most of them sit on the bench or up at the director's box collecting huge wages.

Jose can have his whims and fancies but the club must be able to run its business and not waste monies unnecessarily - keeping a huge squad with huge payroll and not playing majority of them and causing huge unrest amongst the good potentialled players.

So, we have a good squad of 4 goalkeepers, 10 defenders, 8 midfielders and 4 front-line players which are not world class but good enough for Jose to make good - so why the complain when we have a first team of 26 good players and with a handful of potential youngsters knocking at the door and not having a chance to have a game - the likes of Angel Gomes, Talith Chong.

DanielTng 10-08-2018 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenakedshades (Post 115921645)
Everton will definitely seem like a top 6 contender with their new signings, that is if the manager don’t fade off like he did during his last 2 spells

I think it is still tough on them as they had not had a replacement for Lakaku. They lack striking power. Their only potential striker now is Syfi Sigurdsson and their new addition of Richarlisson.

DanielTng 10-08-2018 08:06 AM

It appears that the only available striker on the market this season on the last day is Ings.

WhiteHunter 10-08-2018 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asakura (Post 115921685)
we did sign Fred lol
im just glad we didnt buy Maguire for like what? 70mil?
this i gotta give credit to them for not caving in.
edit: also, Mina was sold for half the amount offered to us.

next season can go for toby at half the price.

DanielTng 10-08-2018 08:21 AM

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45119737

A credible piece of summary.

Asakura 10-08-2018 08:24 AM

according to Spurs camp, they don't have players with release clause.
so im also doubting he really has a 25m clause.
edit: just checked. his contract runs out in June 2019, so no need clause also can buy him cheap

and by next year, im not sure if the club will still (need) to go for him.
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteHunter (Post 115921892)
next season can go for toby at half the price.


chyehock 10-08-2018 08:37 AM

Exactly, by adding Fred plus the return of Pereria we could have push City to the last day of the league. Remembered we lost alot of so called small game due to poor midfield.


Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielTng (Post 115921714)
Personally, I don't think Jose is interested in any of the central defenders speculated by the medias namely Mina, Maguire, Aldreweireld or even Kurt Zouma. If he is keen, apart from Mcguire and Alderweireld who are priced out of reach, the other two should be in the pocket.

It is clear in United that although ED looks after the commercial part in the process of the purchase, the choice of the player requires the nod from the manager.

From what I view, Jose is eyeing the big one in term of Bale or Willian. Apart from the unwillingness from the clubs that are not prepared to release the players, these players are priced excessively - far beyond their market value.
Next, to get in these players would results in the further side-lining of Martial - a player that United refuse to let go off and the fringing of Marcus Rashford who would have lesser games to play.

ED is not into the footballing matters and in this case, he must have been advised by somebody within the United's footballing hierrachy. Bale - unless we pay stupid monies to RM for them to pick up Mbappe, RM is not selling Bale, that left us with Willian and Chelsea wants big monies - not unless Jose is willing to chip in and go help with the deal with Roman. Anyway, Roman cannot sell anyway cheaper than the price that they had turned down Barcelona even if he were to want to be nice to Jose.

So at the end of the day, unless it is the players targeted by Jose, ED is buying nobody and hawkish fans would pin the blame on ED.

Looking at the Premier League top teams - none of the top 6 teams had any top attacking players roped in. This is a season whereby top attacking upfield players availability is next to none.

So, if none are available and none of the top clubs manage to get hold any top prominent attacking upfield players as we do, why should Jose or ourselves be complaining.

We have top quality players in Martial, Rashford, Lakaku, Alexis, and Pogba to support as attacking mid to make good.

Next we have the additions of Fred and Andreas Perierra to our midfield line-up of Pogba, Mata, Felliani, Hererra, Matic, and Jessie Lingard.

We may say that we only had 4 front line players. Well, it is rarely the case when Jose fielded both Martial and Rashford in the same team. So, with the prsence of Jessie Lingard or Mata on the wing, either Martial or Rashford had to be on the bench. So, ED must have been advised that why pay stupid big monies on Willian or Bale and allow Jose to further trash Martial and causing further unrest and further diminish Rashford by letting him having lesser games.

For the defense, we have 12 players in term of:

Antonio Valencia, Smalling, Jones, Lindelof, Bailly, Shaw, Marcus Rojo, Ashley Young, Matteo Darmain, Tuanzebe, Diogo Dalot and even Fosu Mensah whom we have to loan out.

So, unless Jose is willing to offload any of these 12 defenders, we can't be getting more defenders in and having most of them sit on the bench or up at the director's box collecting huge wages.

Jose can have his whims and fancies but the club must be able to run its business and not waste monies unnecessarily - keeping a huge squad with huge payroll and not playing majority of them and causing huge unrest amongst the good potentialled players.

So, we have a good squad of 4 goalkeepers, 11 defenders, 8 midfielders and 4 front-line players which are not world class but good enough for Jose to make good - so why the complain.


thenakedshades 10-08-2018 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielTng (Post 115921807)
I think it is still tough on them as they had not had a replacement for Lakaku. They lack striking power. Their only potential striker now is Syfi Sigurdsson.

Letís see! Interesting battle for top 6 this season. Even West Ham had a very productive window.

Letís see if Spurs, Us and Chelshit has the depth and strength to survive the drop.

These 3 teams on paper wise, are pretty lacking.

thenakedshades 10-08-2018 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chyehock (Post 115922106)
Exactly, by adding Fred plus the return of Pereria we could have push City to the last day of the league. Remembered we lost alot of so called small game due to poor midfield.

First game in a few hours time. Curious to see what players will Jose field for midfield.

Iím guessing Pereria and Fred. Since Matic and Herrera are injured?

cracker 10-08-2018 08:55 AM

Best gossip that I had read this morning

Manchester United's board told Jose Mourinho he should stop demanding money for new signings and focus on working with the talent at his disposal and develop youth players instead. (Mirror)


Yeah learnt how to get the best out of the current batch players plus Fred and the other 2.. sorry one is already on MC. Lolxxxxxx

thenakedshades 10-08-2018 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cracker (Post 115922315)
Best gossip that I had read this morning

Manchester United's board told Jose Mourinho he should stop demanding money for new signings and focus on working with the talent at his disposal and develop youth players instead. (Mirror)


Yeah learnt how to get the best out of the current batch players plus Fred and the other 2.. sorry one is already on MC. Lolxxxxxx

How to develop youth if he donít produce trophies?

sCuzzZy 10-08-2018 09:00 AM

both sides of the same coins if you asked me.

Jose would have quit if he was not at Man Utd.

I'm just glad football is back. every year im paying 3mths of nothing to singtel.

Asakura 10-08-2018 09:02 AM

plus monthly fees already so expensive lol
Quote:

Originally Posted by sCuzzZy (Post 115922382)
I'm just glad football is back. every year im paying 3mths of nothing to singtel.


ragnarok95 10-08-2018 09:10 AM

Just popi our player stay fit and we will be "safe".

Last season we did well against the top clubs but sucks at the bottom few. Hope we will do well this season.

I mean... this "might" be jose last season in charge. He NEED to win something, CL or league.

I am just scare people like martial saboing him and our club. He is so young, he got nothing much to lose.

rizal5150 10-08-2018 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenakedshades (Post 115922299)
First game in a few hours time. Curious to see what players will Jose field for midfield.

I’m guessing Pereria and Fred. Since Matic and Herrera are injured?

should be pereira, fred and mctomineh. is poggy available? :s11:

DanielTng 10-08-2018 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenakedshades (Post 115922284)
Letís see! Interesting battle for top 6 this season. Even West Ham had a very productive window.

Letís see if Spurs, Us and Chelshit has the depth and strength to survive the drop.

These 3 teams on paper wise, are pretty lacking.

Generally, from the look of the teams from the last season of which not much changes are made to Man City, Us, Chelsea and none for Spurs - only Liverpool is a team that brought in a goal keeper, 2 midfielders and a Stoke class Swiss Striker ( that appeared to have strengthened ). Arsenal on the other hand had a new handful of replacements - the majority of which are unknown.

Notwithstanding, the gap between the top 6 and the rest were rather huge and it is highly unlikely that however Everton were to strengthen their defense and West Ham were to revamp their team, it will be good enough to mount a challenge to dismount us or Chelsea or Spurs.

Spurs may be hard pressed to win something. Liverpool would have to win at least a silverware from their performance in their last season and the amount of monies spent. If they don't, the pressure from their fans would be immense. City is still the team to beat. Chelsea with Sarri in would perhaps be giving Us and Liverpool the push. Spurs will be there and thereabout. Arsenal is a totally new perspective team.

So, unless Everton or West Ham as you have mentioned can mount a Leicester City of 2016, I don't think the gap to the top 6 would be closing.

Doomsday 10-08-2018 09:29 AM

Agree we need a RW most. Can Perreira or even Chong please step up and make that slot yours? Keeping fingers crossed.

urban_closet 10-08-2018 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rizal5150 (Post 115922606)
should be pereira, fred and mctomineh. is poggy available? :s11:

According to JM Pogba came back and trained well. Needs to speak to him to see state of mind (esp all the rumours)

thenakedshades 10-08-2018 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sCuzzZy (Post 115922382)
both sides of the same coins if you asked me.

Jose would have quit if he was not at Man Utd.

I'm just glad football is back. every year im paying 3mths of nothing to singtel.

Why pay Singtel when internet are full of streams? 😏

#MourinhoOut 10-08-2018 09:50 AM

No one notices Fulham quietly spent 110m euro NET this window?

Everton has overloaded of forward players.

What many outlets saying is no release clause in Toby's current contract that runs out in 2019 summer. Spurs has an option to extend 1 year to 2020, but it will also auto add in an release clause of 25m into the contract.

Asakura 10-08-2018 09:51 AM


thenakedshades 10-08-2018 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielTng (Post 115922627)
Generally, from the look of the teams from the last season of which not much changes are made to Man City, Us, Chelsea and none for Spurs - only Liverpool is a team that brought in a goal keeper, 2 midfielders and a Stoke class Swiss Striker ( that appeared to have strengthened ). Arsenal on the other hand had a new handful of replacements - the majority of which are unknown.

Notwithstanding, the gap between the top 6 and the rest were rather huge and it is highly unlikely that however Everton were to strengthen their defense and West Ham were to revamp their team, it will be good enough to mount a challenge to dismount us or Chelsea or Spurs.

Spurs may be hard pressed to win something. Liverpool would have to win at least a silverware from their performance in their last season and the amount of monies spent. If they don't, the pressure from their fans would be immense. City is still the team to beat. Chelsea with Sarri in would perhaps be giving Us and Liverpool the push. Spurs will be there and thereabout. Arsenal is a totally new perspective team.

So, unless Everton or West Ham as you have mentioned can mount a Leicester City of 2016, I don't think the gap to the top 6 would be closing.


We shall see. Arsenil might also spring a surprise or two. I will be watching Everton more closely this season, seems a good team on paper to watch.

thenakedshades 10-08-2018 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urban_closet (Post 115922966)
According to JM Pogba came back and trained well. Needs to speak to him to see state of mind (esp all the rumours)

Letís hope Jose can really build a team around Porkbar this season.

Anyone notice Porkbar and Lukakuís relationship like abit faded off last season?

They started off so well. Even went on holiday together then slowly slowly abit off.

fat_boyz 10-08-2018 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spykid (Post 115920593)
By the way Everton's market is crazy

Mina, Bernard and Gomes, and the Watford guy for 50m! And Zouma loan!


Wow~ How much did they get for Rooney?

fat_boyz 10-08-2018 09:54 AM

Who knows~ This might be our best season in a while since so little changes.

pawn_king 10-08-2018 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielTng (Post 115921814)
It appears that the only available striker on the market this season on the last day is Ings.

Welbeck too. could have taken a chance with him for a bench warmer. he would have been happy to be back too

WhiteHunter 10-08-2018 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sCuzzZy (Post 115922382)
both sides of the same coins if you asked me.

Jose would have quit if he was not at Man Utd.

I'm just glad football is back. every year im paying 3mths of nothing to singtel.

why don't use online streaming. better than let "vampires" suck you dry.

Asakura 10-08-2018 10:05 AM

oh okay now i get it :s13:
Quote:

Originally Posted by #MourinhoOut (Post 115923093)
What many outlets saying is no release clause in Toby's current contract that runs out in 2019 summer. Spurs has an option to extend 1 year to 2020, but it will also auto add in an release clause of 25m into the contract.


WhiteHunter 10-08-2018 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pawn_king (Post 115923201)
Welbeck too. could have taken a chance with him for a bench warmer. he would have been happy to be back too

might as well get zaha better. he can play at right wing.

WhiteHunter 10-08-2018 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fat_boyz (Post 115923123)
Who knows~ This might be our best season in a while since so little changes.

we sign many players end up never win the league. this season we didn't sign much and maybe end up winning the league. hope rashford after wearing the number 10 can become like young rooney. keep scoring goals.


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