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dennis7w7 06-08-2018 09:39 AM

fine if we want to sell martial. but please dont bring willian in. had enough of us purchasing near-expiry date players which doesnt help us at all already.

123kidy 06-08-2018 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dennis7w7 (Post 115854990)
fine if we want to sell martial. but please dont bring willian in. had enough of us purchasing near-expiry date players which doesnt help us at all already.

Dude I posted this last week and was arrowed from all sides from the supporters here

Apparently they don’t care about age or money spent. Just need to bring in to help immediately. Saw William last night and don’t even think he can improve the team much

dennis7w7 06-08-2018 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 123kidy (Post 115855085)
Dude I posted this last week and was arrowed from all sides from the supporters here

Apparently they donít care about age or money spent. Just need to bring in to help immediately. Saw William last night and donít even think he can improve the team much

because majority of the fans are desperate for success in BPL now. we have not been winning it since post-SAF era. but this is not the way to win them. they probably would last for only a season and baam, we are back to square one again.

I was never a huge Willian fan in the first place.

beano 06-08-2018 10:05 AM

I don't care if they splash $100m on a pinoise player.. whatever it takes..

beano 06-08-2018 10:08 AM

Maybe if i'm manure share holder, then i will go to their EGM to bang table and demand some success...

123kidy 06-08-2018 10:11 AM

GG
what have we become

how about play some decent football on the pitch 1st

all the money in the world can't fix this team if they continue to play this way

y this JM like defensive football so much. now he wanna build a great wall by buying another defender

jahtl62 06-08-2018 10:19 AM

Back to the 1 or 2 goals a game.
Putting Sanchez back to the left side against Bayern Munich is almost same as beginning of this season. If want him to score goals & assist in goals will need to put him at the centre.

Asakura 06-08-2018 10:22 AM

even if the fans who are screaming for his sack (when he lead us to 2nd spot) backs the manager,
even if the board's KPI is "top 4 good enough",

JM himself will still want to end his title drought asap, so yes he will wanna bring in some experienced players to attempt to reach the top.

jahtl62 06-08-2018 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by beano (Post 115854275)
Manchester United face a "difficult season" unless they strengthen their squad before Thursday's transfer deadline, says manager Jose Mourinho.

Don't expect too much this season..

Will be very lucky if can get 3rd or 4th place. You look at Man City & Liverpool. These 2 clubs are blowing away their opponents with 2, 3 or 4 goals.

Asakura 06-08-2018 10:23 AM

he did ask for Perisic, but Ed not bringing in his man :s13:
Quote:

Originally Posted by 123kidy (Post 115855411)
y this JM like defensive football so much. now he wanna build a great wall by buying another defender


rizal5150 06-08-2018 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 123kidy (Post 115854080)
28% possession, one shot on target

awesome stats. :D

pawn_king 06-08-2018 10:53 AM

maybe all it takes is a formation change to unleash MU. like how conte changed 2016 chelsea to a 3-4-3.

think 3-5-2 will work for us given our overload of CBs and CMs, shortage of wingers and accommodating AS7 as a striker alongside LKK.

apeape 06-08-2018 10:59 AM

said that in the old thread, but come to think of it 3-5-2 will succumb to teams who make use of wingers eg Liverpool.

apeape 06-08-2018 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fattyboiboi (Post 115854615)
28% possession and only one shot. Wow wow wow.

This looks like it will be a long and painful season.

proof that defensive football does not work. Dont want say who employed this kind of play, later kena arrow say i not logic....

Second place is good enough, if the margin was close. but 19 points? c'mon lah.. Also we scored lesser than 3rd place team Spurs. Does that not bother you?

Asakura 06-08-2018 11:10 AM

so why do u think we are not doing that? like Perisic for example, the manger wants the player badly, we even get reports like we fall short of 5mil:s13:

Ed now busy looking for the money/sponsors for that 'i dont care 100mil for a player' purchase.
Quote:

Originally Posted by beano (Post 115855312)
I don't care if they splash $100m on a pinoise player.. whatever it takes..


guile 06-08-2018 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pawn_king (Post 115856115)
maybe all it takes is a formation change to unleash MU. like how conte changed 2016 chelsea to a 3-4-3.

think 3-5-2 will work for us given our overload of CBs and CMs, shortage of wingers and accommodating AS7 as a striker alongside LKK.

So why didn't he try and use this tactic during the friendlies instead to see if it works?

A leopard will never change his spots. JM is a stubborn leopard still insisting that his old ways still work in this era.

If we are gonna play games defensively with 0 shots on target, then own goal is our best choice of becoming top scorer for us this season. I think that's the record he's aiming for with his indulgence in buying CBs and doing nothing in terms of tactics to improve our attacks. If you're telling me yesterday's lineup is not good enough to register a shot on goal, you must be kidding yourself.

If he's afraid to attack during friendlies which has 0 consequences, what do you think he'll do when points are at stack and he feels our squad is forever not good enough to his liking. Just park the bus like he always do and play to AVOID defeat and not play to win.

SAF can start a match with 7 defenders but he will still put the players out with the mentality to win. That's the difference with having a positive minded manager instead of a negative one. Opposing teams do not fear a team that is good in defending. You ever heard of teams saying they are afraid of meeting Barce or Real cos they are good in defense?

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Asakura 06-08-2018 11:23 AM

or maybe cause he has no intention of using 352, so not trying it at all?

pawn_king 06-08-2018 11:38 AM

i didn't watch the games, but according to ESPN we used 3-5-2 against in the recent friendlies against RM, pool and milan.

perhaps it was more of a need than his intention due to player shortage.

pre-season gloom is good, makes us the dark horse.
the last time we soared in preseason under LVG, we crashed and burned during the season.

vitaminc1231 06-08-2018 11:43 AM

Whatever the formation, it's the players and their attitude/effort on the field that makes the difference. Pitching our team against City, Fools, Spurs and Chelsea even, how many can get into first 11?

We can try to buy youngsters and hope he becomes the next Ronaldo, Arsenal has been doing that for 22 years.

We can also buy players at 25-27 years with world record of money, and starve the chances for our next batch of youngsters.

Or we can buy 29 years or older, improve the team immediately, and pass the knowledge to our youngsters so that when they become 26, they are good enough to be in any teams' first 11.

Juan_Mata 06-08-2018 11:56 AM

Still acceptable la
It's Bayern closing to their full strength plus its only a friendly
Fred shd play at cam likes he did against Real, unlike this morning he started along the three men midfield ;)

123kidy 06-08-2018 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Juan_Mata (Post 115857354)
Still acceptable la
It's Bayern closing to their full strength plus its only a friendly
Fred shd play at cam likes he did against Real, unlike this morning he started along the three men midfield ;)

losing 1-0 is acceptable to a team like BM

but having 28% and 1 shot is not

this kind of stats are like premier league team vs lower div sides like scunthorpe, doncaster etc

apeape 06-08-2018 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by vitaminc1231 (Post 115857102)

We can try to buy youngsters and hope he becomes the next Ronaldo, Arsenal has been doing that for 22 years.

We can also buy players at 25-27 years with world record of money, and starve the chances for our next batch of youngsters.

Or we can buy 29 years or older, improve the team immediately, and pass the knowledge to our youngsters so that when they become 26, they are good enough to be in any teams' first 11.

Whatever the formation, it's the players and their attitude/effort on the field that makes the difference.

Oh my God. I believe Man Utd has exhausted all those options you have stated. At this point realistically, it's not the players at fault

On your point though, it is also the manager's attitude/effort on AND off the field that will affect the team, as a whole.

YorYor 06-08-2018 12:18 PM

Whether it's the manager or the players, it doesn't matter. It's just a friendly. I only caught like 65mins of the game, but I saw some good stuff from us in terms of play. Looking forward to the season starting, have been feeling quite empty for too long!

Asakura 06-08-2018 12:21 PM

yea can finally watch some football
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Originally Posted by YorYor (Post 115857686)
Looking forward to the season starting, have been feeling quite empty for too long!


Greysky 06-08-2018 12:21 PM

what ed doing omg ..........

apeape 06-08-2018 12:41 PM

ya, lets hope its all just because of the friendly, happy days.

pawn_king 06-08-2018 01:09 PM

new signing or not, the target in the new season should be to better 2017-18.

If we can hit 90 points, it will be a good season, regardless where we end up on the table. Should be very do-able considering we lost more than 10points to brighton, WBA, etc.

matic 2nd season + fresh settled sanchez easily worth 10-15 points

it won't be a bad season if we ignore citeh

beano 06-08-2018 01:15 PM

Let's see 1st game of the season before hammering them again..

Juan_Mata 06-08-2018 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by beano (Post 115853298)
Rashford the new no.10!

Is it too heavy duty for him? ;)

micey84 06-08-2018 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pawn_king (Post 115857038)
i didn't watch the games, but according to ESPN we used 3-5-2 against in the recent friendlies against RM, pool and milan.

perhaps it was more of a need than his intention due to player shortage.

pre-season gloom is good, makes us the dark horse.
the last time we soared in preseason under LVG, we crashed and burned during the season.

yes it was 3-5-2 for most of the friendly games. Mata with Alexis. those advocating for 352 most probably don't watch our games nowadays. =:p

jahtl62 06-08-2018 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by beano (Post 115853298)
Rashford the new no.10!

This is the reward for coming back early.

Asakura 06-08-2018 02:00 PM

hope to see the back 4 that started against Bayern, play against Leicester

guile 06-08-2018 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Asakura (Post 115859256)
hope to see the back 4 that started against Bayern, play against Leicester

That should be our strongest back 4 at the moment barring anymore injuries. But I wouldn't be surprised if Smalling or Jones makes a cameo appearance.

micey84 06-08-2018 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by guile (Post 115859301)
That should be our strongest back 4 at the moment barring anymore injuries. But I wouldn't be surprised if Smalling or Jones makes a cameo appearance.

Bailly was injured during the game and Smalling came on.
Smalling was injured earlier during the preseason and Bailly came on. They rotating to be injured

beano 06-08-2018 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan_Mata (Post 115858798)
Is it too heavy duty for him? ;)

Maybe, his head might grow too big.. becoming too selfish and thinking ahead of himself..

vitaminc1231 06-08-2018 02:27 PM

Until we can be on par, at least on paper with the top teams, then we can say we exhausted all options. We refused to pay additional €5m for Perisic last season, so no, we didn't exhaust all options.

If the manager knows the team is not good enough, he tries to improve them, and also bring in better players. When he can't bring in better one, don't expect him to turn an average player to superb players. He can't go to cheat mode and start editing the stats okay.

End of the day, all I'm saying is support your manager. I don't believe even SAF or Pep can win the EPL with last season's team. #2 was not good, but was better since SAF days. We beaten all the top teams for the first time in seasons. He said judge him after 3rd season, hold your gun and don't shoot so fast.

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Originally Posted by apeape (Post 115857604)
Oh my God. I believe Man Utd has exhausted all those options you have stated. At this point realistically, it's not the players at fault

On your point though, it is also the manager's attitude/effort on AND off the field that will affect the team, as a whole.


pawn_king 06-08-2018 02:29 PM

LOL we will know when we see the flashy hairstyle and colours come. like januzaj.

hopefully he will stay injury free too and avoid becoming welbeck no 2

michaelsen 06-08-2018 02:45 PM

Promotion for MR.
Since we can't choose we we can have realistically, I think we can always hope for the best. We have young players in every department that can play decently though not world class standard but it is proven that if a team can play as a unit, theres a shot at winning titles (Leicester).
I was not much of a Lingard fan initially but I think he deserves his chance, and he has been scoring some good goals.

Can't wait to get stuck in the couch every weekend again.

apeape 06-08-2018 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by vitaminc1231 (Post 115859709)
Until we can be on par, at least on paper with the top teams, then we can say we exhausted all options. We refused to pay additional Ä5m for Perisic last season, so no, we didn't exhaust all options.

If the manager knows the team is not good enough, he tries to improve them, and also bring in better players. When he can't bring in better one, don't expect him to turn an average player to superb players. He can't go to cheat mode and start editing the stats okay.

End of the day, all I'm saying is support your manager. I don't believe even SAF or Pep can win the EPL with last season's team. #2 was not good, but was better since SAF days. We beaten all the top teams for the first time in seasons. He said judge him after 3rd season, hold your gun and don't shoot so fast.

5mill Euro is not $5 leh. Perisic isn't even worth fussing over either.

Since we are comparing, SAF era had tons of average players turned superb just by the sound of the starting whistle, from David May to Fletcher to Macheda.

I will still give my full support of course but what I'm trying to say, it doesn't look too good, right?

#MourinhoOut 06-08-2018 03:45 PM

No worry, preseason only, we are still in transition, when the 1st 11 are back everything will be swee swee. Anything else?

ragnarok95 06-08-2018 03:49 PM

Actually.. im more than happy with what we have now. :o :o

As long as our players put in their heart to kick, shouldn't be a problem for us. :o

But i still feel that martial is the bomb for us. :o :o

And i still feel... maybe jose will be the first manager to go. :o

kurenai 06-08-2018 03:53 PM

Martial was imba during his debut season though

cracker 06-08-2018 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ragnarok95 (Post 115860975)
Actually.. im more than happy with what we have now. :o :o

As long as our players put in their heart to kick, shouldn't be a problem for us. :o

But i still feel that martial is the bomb for us. :o :o

And i still feel... maybe jose will be the first manager to go. :o

The first 10 games will decide how soon he will implode ..

Probably Woody is getting sick of Jose's whining too...

ragnarok95 06-08-2018 04:09 PM

Woody - a business person.
Jose - a football person.

This is what i feel. :o :o
Woody is diff from kenyon and gill i feel. :o :o

123kidy 06-08-2018 04:13 PM

SAF can motivate players to perform better
pep too, can turn sterling from rubbish to scoring over 20goals a season

frankly last season our players are not up to par in terms of performance. players like pogba,martial, rashford can do alot better

YorYor 06-08-2018 04:20 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I find it hard to call DavidMay, DarrenFletcher and FedericoMacheda superb at the sound of the whistle. First 2 were very reliable, and the last a spark of brilliance that fizzled out as quickly as it burst.
I'm happy with whoever dons the manager deems fit to don the United jersey, but let's call MaoShanWang MSW and RedPrawn RP. Not every durian is as good as every other, even if they came from the same orchard as the MSWs and RPs, and if you like any durian as long as it is durian.

cracker 06-08-2018 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragnarok95 (Post 115861211)
Woody - a business person.
Jose - a football person.

This is what i feel. :o :o
Woody is diff from kenyon and gill i feel. :o :o

Yup

I think Woody is only interested in the return for every million pound spent on a player... just a list of the salary draw by MU players

Pogba, LKK, Sanchez, DDG are getting 200K or more pounds per week. while another 4 or 5 players are getting > 100K pound per week....

Crazy situation !

TakKiu 06-08-2018 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaminc1231 (Post 115859709)
Until we can be on par, at least on paper with the top teams, then we can say we exhausted all options. We refused to pay additional Ä5m for Perisic last season, so no, we didn't exhaust all options.

If the manager knows the team is not good enough, he tries to improve them, and also bring in better players. When he can't bring in better one, don't expect him to turn an average player to superb players. He can't go to cheat mode and start editing the stats okay.

End of the day, all I'm saying is support your manager. I don't believe even SAF or Pep can win the EPL with last season's team. #2 was not good, but was better since SAF days. We beaten all the top teams for the first time in seasons. He said judge him after 3rd season, hold your gun and don't shoot so fast.



You alright bro? :spin:
Sir Alex has a truckload of average players either playing or sitting on the bench. These players played for him.
Although i have to admit times have changed. EPL is getting tougher now. Credit to Sir Alex.

YorYor 06-08-2018 04:45 PM

SAF had 20 years to farm his passive aura skill to +20.

Asakura 06-08-2018 04:46 PM

den when they flop or the mgr wants to get rid of them...
we often find ourselves in trouble, like keeping them longer than they should since clubs cant match their paycheck, end up paying a portion of their salary so they can be loaned or even sold :s22:

all these causes delay in transfer proceedings...

but "not my money, i don't care if the club splash cash on a player" :s13:
Quote:

Originally Posted by cracker (Post 115861420)
Yup

I think Woody is only interested in the return for every million pound spent on a player... just a list of the salary draw by MU players

Pogba, LKK, Sanchez, DDG are getting 200K or more pounds per week. while another 4 or 5 players are getting > 100K pound per week....

Crazy situation !



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