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Old 24-10-2018, 03:56 PM   #5296
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you are basically saying our players are not good enough

you wanna challenge those teams you mentioned,
the current team should at least peform at the acceptable level 1st against lower sides?

after spending 400m, why are we struggling against the likes of brighton, westham, wolves etc when we have better quality than them?

why arent you focusing on the tactics and performances of the team so far

instead you are trying to say the reason the JM and team is struggling is lack of spending more money? and woody?
So sack JM? I can accept it if Woody does it, why Ed doesn't do it? Because on pitch performance doesn't matter to Ed? Then how, JM at fault but he will be around, what you gonna do?
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So sack JM? I can accept it if Woody does it, why Ed doesn't do it? Because on pitch performance doesn't matter to Ed? Then how, JM at fault but he will be around, what you gonna do?
well he's fighting for his job
and how do we know is going on behind the scenes
and why are we speculating he gets sacked or not

why arent we discussing about how the team is performing on the pitch?
the negative tactic at home? 30-40% possession even against lower sides?
couple of shots on goal a game?

instead you wanna go on about sacking and spending more to challenge city etc

we can't even play properly now against those weaker teams even spending so much money!
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Our 2nd half was so much better, and VictorL actually looked like a solid defender after the break. Let's hope he has suddenly woken up. Other than that, I wish CristianoR came back to us instead of Juventus. So obvious that he still strikes the ball better than any of our players. And probably faster and technically superior to RomeluL.
We had a good spell and that actually felt like the United of old. How the hell we failed to score against that keeper who conceded 8 against us in a single match?

And DDG came out superbly tops in his duel with CristianoR. We could have been 2-0 or even 3-0 down.

I'd like to see this same starting 11 a few more times. Looks like the way to go.
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im actually confused now..
well he's fighting for his job
and how do we know is going on behind the scenes
and why are we speculating he gets sacked or not

why arent we discussing about how the team is performing on the pitch?
the negative tactic at home? 30-40% possession even against lower sides?
couple of shots on goal a game?

instead you wanna go on about sacking and spending more to challenge city etc

we can't even play properly now against those weaker teams even spending so much money!
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Old 24-10-2018, 04:23 PM   #5300
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well he's fighting for his job
and how do we know is going on behind the scenes
and why are we speculating he gets sacked or not

why arent we discussing about how the team is performing on the pitch?
the negative tactic at home? 30-40% possession even against lower sides?
couple of shots on goal a game?

instead you wanna go on about sacking and spending more to challenge city etc

we can't even play properly now against those weaker teams even spending so much money!
Every coach is different.

JM is known for his park bus tactic, he is never gung-ho like SAF, sexy like Arsene used to, tiki-taka like Pep. You cannot expect JM to change, just like you can't ask SAF to sit deep and defence whole day.

If JM won't change, he will have has his preference on his players, and what he expected of them. If the players cannot perform according to his like, he will moan and ask for new players. He does it throughout his career. He already in his mind know who are his players and who he can't trust. However, he is not given the chance to get the players he wants and forced to use some of the players he trusts less. Players can't change too, not all players can play JM tactic.

So what we have a is a huge mess of mismatches. We have a lot of "parts" bought by different managers and trying to mould them into a good car. Whereas in other teams, the management is very clear about what kind of car they want and assemble the right "parts" since day 1 regardless who is the manager.

End of the day, yes I blame Woody.

And yes, I want to talk about challenging city because aiming to be #1 should be our only aim, not #2 or beating smaller teams.
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you are basically saying our players are not good enough

you wanna challenge those teams you mentioned,
the current team should at least peform at the acceptable level 1st against lower sides?

after spending 400m, why are we struggling against the likes of brighton, westham, wolves etc when we have better quality than them?

why arent you focusing on the tactics and performances of the team so far

instead you are trying to say the reason the JM and team is struggling is lack of spending more money? and woody?
West Ham spending not small hor.
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Old 24-10-2018, 04:27 PM   #5302
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Every coach is different.

JM is known for his park bus tactic, he is never gung-ho like SAF, sexy like Arsene used to, tiki-taka like Pep. You cannot expect JM to change, just like you can't ask SAF to sit deep and defence whole day.
I won't say JM is a park bus manager though. More like he's a manager who demands tactical discipline from his players so he can tailor tactics against different teams.

And who said SAF never sat deep to defend... lol.
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Old 24-10-2018, 04:30 PM   #5303
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I won't say JM is a park bus manager though. More like he's a manager who demands tactical discipline from his players so he can tailor tactics against different teams.

And who said SAF never sat deep to defend... lol.
LOL, but you get what I meant la, they all have their own style. It's unrealistic to get them to change their tactics drastically, will never happen.
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Old 24-10-2018, 04:32 PM   #5304
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we didn't spend on areas that obviously needed improvement
fans help Ed to find excuses like 'oh his signings not doing well, so cannot let him buy more'

City will buy in a new one if the previous signing fail them. "selling price low? its okay, at least free up wages."

all the so-called earnings of this club end up go to wages of players that doing fk all.

But I want to say I agree with your earlier post.

Man City can easily spend close to 100 million in one window on their defence alone.

All we got was Dalot for a defence that allowed DDG to be tested the most often in the league last year.
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West Ham spending not small hor.
For the record, transfer spending this season

City - €71.1m
Liverpool - €182.2m
Chelsea - €137m
Arsenal - €79m

Brighton - €69.9m
West Ham - €103.85m
Wolves - €90.75m

MU - €82.7m

Please don't think our €82.7m is very big okay. Even with City's current squad, their spending is quite close to us. West Ham and Wolves spent more than us okay.

As one of the richest clubs in the world, knowing the weakness in our team, we are only willing to spend 82m this season or 400m in 4 years and people think a lot already?
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we didn't spend on areas that obviously needed improvement
fans help Ed to find excuses like 'oh his signings not doing well, so cannot let him buy more'

City will buy in a new one if the previous signing fail them. "selling price low? its okay, at least free up wages."

all the so-called earnings of this club end up go to wages of players that doing fk all.
Bingo. Bravo disappeared already right?

Meanwhile, sign player also cannot, extend Fellaini contract also so much drama. And people blame JM...
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For the record, transfer spending this season

City - €71.1m
Liverpool - €182.2m
Chelsea - €137m
Arsenal - €79m

Brighton - €69.9m
West Ham - €103.85m
Wolves - €90.75m

MU - €82.7m

Please don't think our €82.7m is very big okay. Even with City's current squad, their spending is quite close to us. West Ham and Wolves spent more than us okay.

As one of the richest clubs in the world, knowing the weakness in our team, we are only willing to spend 82m or 400m in 4 years and people think a lot already?
Now that you dug this table out, our league standing seems to make sense
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City didn't spend a lot for a reason...

Pep first year. 160m++
1GK, 1Def, 2midfielders, 4forwards(wingers/strikers)

2nd yr, 255m++ (excluding academy signings)
1GK, 4Def, 1midfielder

3rd yr, Mahrez for 60m++, a backup defender, the rest all spend on academy players


For the record, transfer spending this season

City - €71.1m
after 1st season he know his defenders cmi, see what he did in 2nd season. bring in Walker, Mendy, Laporte, Danilo. even bought him another keeper ffs. compete? Ed only make sure commercially don't lose to City nia.
Bingo. Bravo disappeared already right?

Meanwhile, sign player also cannot, extend Fellaini contract also so much drama. And people blame JM...
we extend players with longer contracts to hope that can sell them, that also means more wages while they continue to be stucked with the club.
City on the other hand, let go of Jesus Navas when they know the new mgr don't need this guy anymore. granted it didn't cost them alot, 14.9m only, his wages was 90k/wk. Ed would have extended this guy with 120k contract and hope to sell him off to earn some extra change in the pocket.
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our difference in gulf and talent yesterday was really so appalling. Face it we're not an elite european team anymore.

we're not even spending a lot of money to catch up with the top european sides. they spend lesser than us but they're constantly reinforcing every season and all the more we have to spend even more.
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City didn't spend a lot for a reason...

Pep first year. 160m++
1GK, 1Def, 2midfielders, 4forwards(wingers/strikers)

2nd yr, 255m++ (excluding academy signings)
1GK, 4Def, 1midfielder

3rd yr, Mahrez for 60m++, a backup defender, the rest all spend on academy players
So Pep alone in total signed 2 GKs, 6 Defenders, 4 Midfielders, 4 Forwards. All cool, 16 players, everyone think no prob.

JM signed 1 GK (Lee Grant for backup), 3 Defenders, 4 Midfielders, 2 Forwards. 10 players, all hell broke loss, JM sucks, cannot let him sign more, sack JM.
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