[DaBenDan]

buay_tahan wrote:

Ya I know the price difference is a lot. The first criteria is to get an upgrade that is worth the value. This is why I am comparing the "made" first. Then price comes into play.

If you can afford, definitely the portuguese automatic. It is one of the most popular model that houses an in-house movement with the pellaton winding system. Alot of portuguese chrono owners out there "upgraded" to portuguese auto after some time. However, if you are an accuracy freak, the 50000s calibre is not for you. Portuguese chrono's accuracy wins hands down.

That said, its interesting that you consider a pilot as well along with the portuguese. The pilot and portuguese have totally different aesthetics with portuguese being more dressy.

Just my 2 cents.

[takuyazzz]

patryn33 wrote:

Pam EU 2012 prices
Paneristi Public Forum: Price list October 2012 ( euros ).

thanks for the link

[definitelydan]

derazor wrote:

Thanks bro, I'm leaning towards the Stowa but the leadtime is si beh sian.

How does the ETA movement affect the manufacturers? They still can get stocks.

i believe that ETA is cutting supply of their movements so everyone who is using ETA movements would be scrambling in search for alternatives such as Soprod and Sellita.. a good read can be found here: Prometheus Watch Company | How ETA’s Decision to Stop Supplying Movements Affects Prometheus Watch Company and Watch Industry

i know for a fact that Sinn is starting to move over to Sellita movements, many say they are equal in quality to ETA, but others are more sceptical (i'll leave that to personal perception as well)..

[patryn33]

Oris moved to use SW movement
Micro brands such as Christopherward, tourby also using SW
Stowa intro soprod A10 but A10 production is low
Invicta, gevril also switch to using SW

[derazor]

patryn33 wrote:

Oris moved to use SW movement
Micro brands such as Christopherward, tourby also using SW
Stowa intro soprod A10 but A10 production is low
Invicta, gevril also switch to using SW

Bro can help to reply curve ball question. Tks

[sky_black_black]

Hi guys,

Thought of getting a watch suitable for working executives when I'm in Europe over the next 2 weeks since I heard is much cheaper over there.

Budget is > 5ksgd

As im not a watch person, I really dunno where to start from.

Any recommendations are well appreciated

[physicalphysicist]

Bros.. Between the portofino chrono and the mark xvii, which one is better? Thanks!!

[patryn33]

sky_black_black wrote:

Budget is > 5ksgd

As im not a watch person, I really dunno where to start from.

Wait its more than 5k?
U wearing on what occasion? Work and casual?
Check out diver, pilot, dress, u like lots of sub dial or day date is a must?

[buay_tahan]

DaBenDan wrote:

If you can afford, definitely the portuguese automatic. It is one of the most popular model that houses an in-house movement with the pellaton winding system. Alot of portuguese chrono owners out there "upgraded" to portuguese auto after some time. However, if you are an accuracy freak, the 50000s calibre is not for you. Portuguese chrono's accuracy wins hands down.

That said, its interesting that you consider a pilot as well along with the portuguese. The pilot and portuguese have totally different aesthetics with portuguese being more dressy.

Just my 2 cents.

Hi there,

Interesting insights... Ya I am torn between a dress watch or a "classic pilot" watch. Any idea why the accuracy of the Portuguese Automatic not matching to the Portuguese Chrono?

[KohChris]

physicalphysicist wrote:

Bros.. Between the portofino chrono and the mark xvii, which one is better? Thanks!!

Portofino auto too big for dress watch la...

Mark xvii overpriced

[dmitri]

buay_tahan wrote:

Hi there,

Interesting insights... Ya I am torn between a dress watch or a "classic pilot" watch. Any idea why the accuracy of the Portuguese Automatic not matching to the Portuguese Chrono?

You may wish to do a search about the IWC 7-days movement accuracy, a good link can be found below:

7 Day movement timekeeping poll

Personally, I find the Port 7 days a beautiful watch (especially the silver dial / blue hands) and can overlook the accuracy of it as long as it falls within +/- 10 seconds per day.

The Port Chrono should be running on an IWC-modified Valjoux 7750, a proven ETA chronograph workhorse movement and as such is less susceptible to wild swings in its accuracy.

All of my watches on ETA movements have been able to achieve -4 seconds to +7 seconds per day.

[physicalphysicist]

KohChris wrote:

Portofino auto too big for dress watch la...

Mark xvii overpriced

If have to choose one lei? Sorry cant afford the higher range..

[KohChris]

DaBenDan wrote:

If you can afford, definitely the portuguese automatic. It is one of the most popular model that houses an in-house movement with the pellaton winding system. Alot of portuguese chrono owners out there "upgraded" to portuguese auto after some time. However, if you are an accuracy freak, the 50000s calibre is not for you. Portuguese chrono's accuracy wins hands down.

That said, its interesting that you consider a pilot as well along with the portuguese. The pilot and portuguese have totally different aesthetics with portuguese being more dressy.

Just my 2 cents.

To add on my views,

The portuguese automatic is thicker than the chrono.
Diameter is 1.1mm larger. But the Vis-a-vis increase in lug size and thickness also makes for a slightly more larger watch.

5000x series movement when viewed through the caseback is not really eye pleasing..movement looks unrefined.

Portuguese chrono got 2 variants, 1 pre mid- 2009 model, comes with stamped indices - this watch looks cheap.

The post mid 2009 model comes with applied indexes. The numbers looks thicker and watch is more luxurious

One thing i hate about the port chrono is the lack of deployment buckle, and the lack of date.
But the size is near perfect at 40.9mm imo. Wish they had reduced it down to 40mm thereabout. Watch is abit boring cos no sapphire caseback. Rotor abit over-active. Didnt test it for accuracy.

I like the fact that the AR coating doesnt scratch easily and the watch dial layout is neat.

Portuguese automatic, might be abit too thick for cuffs nowadays. No good for small wrists with its dial size because its a dress watch afterall. The watch should not draw attention from the wearer.

Watch layout is abit spacious

Didnt test the watch for accuracy. has deployment buckle but it isnt activated by a push clasp system.

I personally dont test automatic watches for accuracy since its not quartz.
Only checked to nearest minute.

[KohChris]

physicalphysicist wrote:

If have to choose one lei? Sorry cant afford the higher range..

I will take the new black portofino automatic or spitfire chrono laureus edition

[KohChris]

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