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Old 03-01-2018, 11:00 AM   #4621
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The P13 uses the i7-8650U which despite its 1st digit, is actually still part of kaby lake.

The only real 8th Gen (coffee lake stuff) CPUs out now are the desktop CPUs so only aftershock's desktop replacements are on 8th gen stuff at the moment.

Around exactly 1 year ago, the mobile kaby lake came out so maybe the mobile coffee lake will be due soon. Of course the release wont be in sync with the release of new GPUs (if any) which tend to show up around Aug-Sep period these few years.

Coffee lake will be the 1st time laptops go beyond 4 cores on intel camp (AMD already got their debut with that asus Ryzen strix model) so thermals and performance for many manufacturers will have to be a new concern
Great insight and thanks for the explanation.

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Old 05-01-2018, 12:40 AM   #4622
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So basically no point to buy 8th gen Intel laptop now?

Cause read somewhere if connect to egpu, the 8th gen won't bottle neck the performance
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Old 05-01-2018, 12:46 AM   #4623
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So basically no point to buy 8th gen Intel laptop now?

Cause read somewhere if connect to egpu, the 8th gen won't bottle neck the performance
eGPU bottleneck is and always will be thunderbolt's bandwidth. That is a hardware limitation of thunderbolt versus "proper" PCIE and no CPU will be able to make that go away.


By the way the only coffee lake CPUs out now are desktop CPU, not laptop CPU

Those laptop whose CPU model start with '8', they are actually still kaby lake (eg. aftershock P13)

So actually there are no coffee lake gaming laptop CPU. If there were, you will see something like i7-8700HQ but now we are still on i7-7700HQ for all these gaming notebooks. Its not even a matter of no point to buy, rather its not even on market yet.

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Old 05-01-2018, 10:15 AM   #4624
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But does the newer kaby lake CPU have better power management than the previous thus the better battery life?

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Old 05-01-2018, 12:42 PM   #4625
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But does the newer kaby lake CPU have better power management than the previous thus the better battery life?

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how much better can it possibly get if the architecture is still the same

i mean for all we know, it could be less battery life cos these newer 8xxxU cpus got more cores than their predecessors

...also its not as if you can easily find something with earlier CPUs even if you wanted to. When new ones come out, the market updates. Like it or not you're stuck with the latest iteration for better or for worse.

frankly intel's rate of improvement is pretty slow these days so i wouldnt worry about buying an 'inferior' or 'outdated' generation, even 1-2 years older, youre not missing out on much of a benefit, its not like nvidia where we had that massive jump from maxwell to pascal

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Old 06-01-2018, 02:59 AM   #4626
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Thanks for the info! In that case maybe I will just get a 2nd hand p13 with 7th gen
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Old 11-01-2018, 11:11 AM   #4627
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https://www.mysn.de/detail.asp?beste..._content=54264

anyone ever seen this clevo model before? it feels similar to the P950 (our prime-15) but with a more understated design (which I vastly prefer, looking at the Prime 15's lid)

only critique would be that the underside of that model looks a lot less well ventilated compared to prime-15, but if max-q lives up to what nvidia said, heat is not supposed to be a problem (still the manufacturer is responsible to build a competent cooling design)


edit: nevermind, found it. called the P955, this review vid shows a quadro version of the machine unlike the schenker one. indeed it really does look like a more understated and subtle design compared to Prime-15, while having same internal specs (the body is practically 99% same, can tell by how they share the same IO layout). Once volta rolls around and should aftershock refreshes the prime with a P955 chassis i'm totally up for it

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Old 15-01-2018, 08:27 PM   #4628
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Why does their support website suck so much?

http://aftershockpcsupport.com/

Still under construction? Drivers for more than half the models don't even exist. Those that do you need to download the ENTIRE package in one big zip file. God forbid you only need one small motherboard driver and your driver disc is missing.

Take a look at Acer, HP and Dell support website to see how they do things ffs.
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Old 15-01-2018, 09:38 PM   #4629
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But does the newer kaby lake CPU have better power management than the previous thus the better battery life?

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I doubt so. To be honest, Sky Lake, Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake are one and the same design differentiated by minor changes, including a slightly improved 14nm fab. Performance improvement is basically 0 if you are comparing these 3 processors at the same clockspeed. Performance improvement comes in the form of more aggressive clockspeed over the generations. I doubt you will find that the new processors will give you better battery life at load because Intel has been pushing the CPUs harder, thus, nullifying any improvements in thermal and power requirement.
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Old 15-01-2018, 09:41 PM   #4630
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Why does their support website suck so much?

http://aftershockpcsupport.com/

Still under construction? Drivers for more than half the models don't even exist. Those that do you need to download the ENTIRE package in one big zip file. God forbid you only need one small motherboard driver and your driver disc is missing.

Take a look at Acer, HP and Dell support website to see how they do things ffs.
Are you using Windows 10 or older? Nowadays, I don't really need to bother about drivers when using Windows 10. Generally, I only download drivers for GPU and devices with no drivers, which is usually quite little and less crucial. Motherboard drivers should be included with Windows 10.
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Old 15-01-2018, 10:10 PM   #4631
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Are you using Windows 10 or older? Nowadays, I don't really need to bother about drivers when using Windows 10. Generally, I only download drivers for GPU and devices with no drivers, which is usually quite little and less crucial. Motherboard drivers should be included with Windows 10.
I'm more worried about users of Win 8. And anyway, it looks unprofessional as hell. You click on a link and get taken to a black screen. What if you need a bios update?

edit : Will you look at that. 1 hour after my first post and the drivers for notebook magically came back. Desktop driver page is still blank though.

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Are you using Windows 10 or older? Nowadays, I don't really need to bother about drivers when using Windows 10. Generally, I only download drivers for GPU and devices with no drivers, which is usually quite little and less crucial. Motherboard drivers should be included with Windows 10.
as much as windows is improving their drivers support and universality, many pc/laptop still require their own drivers.
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Old 16-01-2018, 09:57 AM   #4633
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Why does their support website suck so much?

http://aftershockpcsupport.com/

Still under construction? Drivers for more than half the models don't even exist. Those that do you need to download the ENTIRE package in one big zip file. God forbid you only need one small motherboard driver and your driver disc is missing.

Take a look at Acer, HP and Dell support website to see how they do things ffs.
imo thats why i dont really get my drivers from aftershock site

dont even need to look at big brands like Acer or HP

any other custom system builder like sager can be referred to

i can find my laptop drivers on sager site they even have a search function where you can type the sager model name, or its clevo SKU name
https://www.sagernotebook.com/drivers.php?cat=649


meanwhile looks like the W-15 got refreshed, going over from the old P750 to N950, think the main sacrifice is MXM GPU, hence being stuck with a 1060 on the new one with no customisation

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Old 27-01-2018, 09:47 PM   #4634
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I'm more worried about users of Win 8. And anyway, it looks unprofessional as hell. You click on a link and get taken to a black screen. What if you need a bios update?

edit : Will you look at that. 1 hour after my first post and the drivers for notebook magically came back. Desktop driver page is still blank though.
I agree. But if you look at other manufacturers, they don't update the drivers after sometime when the newer model arrives.

Not defending them because I was also looking for drivers earlier and did not find any on their site. But when I stop to think about it, I feel it is better to go download your own drivers because outdated drivers can cause more problems with newer version of Windows. Even Win 8 still receives updates that may cause stability issues with older drivers.
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Old 27-01-2018, 09:50 PM   #4635
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as much as windows is improving their drivers support and universality, many pc/laptop still require their own drivers.
I can confidently say that if you are using Windows 10, you can be sure the critical drivers are already being addressed by the OS. For me, I will only install driver for graphic card if it is a dedicated one from AMD/ Nvidia. There may be some random non-critical devices that still require drivers, but they are not show stoppers for us to use our comp. Only annoying one for me is the pointing device, i.e. the touchpad driver where I cannot use the multi finger gesture without driver.
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