Proposal Ring - Part 3

[ComeOnYouSpurs]

Whiteflash ACA is not the same as JP's super ideals. Their quality is not that strict. A closer comparison is their ideal cuts (from their house of hung stocks). Last I checked, their ideal cuts were actually cheaper than Whiteflash.

You can send them the link of the diamond you see on Whiteflash and they'll quote you their diamond based on the same specs. But of course the quality won't be as good as the super ideals.

Whats the diff between the ideal and super ideal?

 

[KinoChoco]

Whats the diff between the ideal and super ideal?

Check out their other videos under their channel for more educational videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb0oudyrQPo

 

[teqrise]

Check out their other videos under their channel for more educational videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb0oudyrQPo

Whats the diff between the ideal and super ideal?

Like KinoChoco suggested, go see their videos on youtube. You can also read more info on their blog.

They just posted a video with a ideal and super ideal. The ideal cut's aset scope look good. but somehow still doesn't sparkle as much as the super ideal. Guess the aset scope isn't everything..

 

[kuro]

Any guru able to advice the best place to look for blue sapphire proposal ring with a budget of below $15,000?

I'm totally clueless with regards to sapphire and limited knowledge on diamonds too

any help on this?

 

[spLeenfuL]

any help on this?

I saw some sapphire rings on JP's facebook page before. You can try asking them

 

[mero_cwj]

should easily be able to get a good sapphire custom set ring with that budget. sapphires are not that expensive IIRC.

Jannpaul's sapphires not inhouse or have the same top-tier level grading system though. They do have sapphires but usually they are used as side settings. I remember coming across a few blogposts where the couple wanted sapphires as well, can go google and read up. They visited a few non-diamond speciality jewellers and provided some price quotes as well. If i remember correctly, the prices were a lot cheaper than diamond of similar carat size

 

[mero_cwj]

It's not that simple, you need to check the scope images to verify if it's super ideal. Typically, WF's ACA are slightly better than JP's ideal but JP's super ideal are better than WF's ACA. Which based on the pricing it's correct, cheapest being JP's ideal followed by ACA and lastly super ideal being slightly above ACA.

For best bang for your bucks, you're better off getting ideal from JP if you're on a budget or get super ideal if you want the highest quality. WF's ACA is only couple hundreds cheaper after factoring in the GST and setting cost etc....which you might as well go for super ideal from JP, fuss free.

Ideal is from house of hung stocks. One thing to note is that for JP super ideal diamonds, they will take back for full value if you want to trade in and "upgrade" to a bigger/better diamond in future. House of hung ideal diamonds don't have. So if your intended betrothed is someone who is likely to want to upgrade her ring, bear that in mind.

Also, I went recently and was looking at 1c diamonds from both HOH's ideal and JP's super ideal range. There was only one ideal diamond which was a lot cheaper, but it had fluorescence and kind of a dead spot in the center where it wouldn't sparkle. I was also shown 2 other diamonds - ideal 1.02c G VS2 and super ideal 1.01c G VS2, they were actually around the same price. I think the JP one was even cheaper by about 100-200

So not always HOH ideal will be a better buy. The shops price their diamonds independently (and I heard a lot can depend on the USD rate at the time they purchase their stocks), so it does depend. But if the ideal diamond looks just as good to you as the super ideal and is significantly cheaper, I would suggest to go for that as well

 

[xdestined]

Hey Guys,

Just went in to finalise my ring.

Diamond type: Super Ideal Cut
0.94 E VS2

Below are the specifications:

60.1% Depth
58% Table
33.5° Crown Angle
40.8° Pavillion Angle

Paid $12300 plus settings.
Can someone advise whether this is a good cut?

 

[mero_cwj]

Shortlisted this diamond yesterday... Can any experts provide their views?

 

[KinoChoco]

Shortlisted this diamond yesterday... Can any experts provide their views?

Is this super ideal or ideal? I've seen super ideal that looks better than this, but definitely not an ideal that looks as good as this.

If this is priced at ideal, definitely a good buy, but actually it's pretty good enough even if it's super ideal too, the different won't be significant as yours already look good, more importantly is if they fit your budget and criteria then it's a good deal

 

[mero_cwj]

Is this super ideal or ideal? I've seen super ideal that looks better than this, but definitely not an ideal that looks as good as this.

If this is priced at ideal, definitely a good buy, but actually it's pretty good enough even if it's super ideal too, the different won't be significant as yours already look good, more importantly is if they fit your budget and criteria then it's a good deal

it's a super ideal from jp stock. looked at some ideal diamonds from HOH stock, but they were visibly not as good as the jp super ideals...

my concern was the cloud and crystal inclusions, which were quite visible on scope in person.

btw the GIA report completely wrong one, the inclusions were in completely different areas

 

[KinoChoco]

it's a super ideal from jp stock. looked at some ideal diamonds from HOH stock, but they were visibly not as good as the jp super ideals...

my concern was the cloud and crystal inclusions, which were quite visible on scope in person.

btw the GIA report completely wrong one, the inclusions were in completely different areas

What's your concern on the inclusions? Its definitely not gonna chip your diamond, also based on the ideal and asets scope, the light return isn't affected by the inclusions, this is all that matter IMO. Unless your concern is the inclusion being obvious under 10x loupe...but typically it's gonna be obvious for VS2, as long it's perfectly eye clean, it's good enough.

 

[milkiee]

anybody knows of any reputable gemstone engagement ring stores in Singapore?

i think the gemstone market is pretty small and exclusive. i want to learn more so that i won't get chop carrot head.

 

[KinoChoco]

Hey Guys,

Just went in to finalise my ring.

Diamond type: Super Ideal Cut
0.94 E VS2

Below are the specifications:

60.1% Depth
58% Table
33.5° Crown Angle
40.8° Pavillion Angle

Paid $12300 plus settings.
Can someone advise whether this is a good cut?

It's good, the price seems relatively cheap considering its E color too.

 

[WakaaWakaa]

Hi all,

I've been spending some time reading on the previous posts from the thread also doing a bit of my own research. I have sort of narrowed down the specs I'm looking for in a diamond.

Round
VVS2 to VS1
D to F
0.5-0.7

I was hoping some of the more experienced members could give their opinions on my choice? Would I be able to get one for a Budget between 3-5K. I am actually willing to go up to 7k if not more depending on the need. However knowing my gf, she wouldn't want me to spend too much (around 2k) on the diamond.

Nonetheless, I do want to get one that's significant enough in size and will look good to the naked eye when she wears it. Since it's a once in a lifetime thing ( for me at least) and I think she deserves it. Hence the specs I chose based on what I've read so far seems to fall nicely in that category. I'm just not too sure price wise if I'll be able to find one.

Otherwise, appreciate if some of you could let me know what I should be looking at for the price range stated? I understand that JP seems like a popular choice with most here, therefore I would inclined to get mine from there as well.

*Disclaimer* I know that ultimately I still need to go see the thing in person since the specs on paper may not look as good in the flesh. Just want to get an idea so that I can start planning financially, and also get an idea of where to look.

Thanks for the help in advance!

 

[xdestined]

It's good, the price seems relatively cheap considering its E color too.

Thanks for replying. I had this diamond booked since last year. So I would guess my price reflected here has not been adjusted to this year's pricing? Heard from the sales rep that prices have gone up.

 

[KinoChoco]

Thanks for replying. I had this diamond booked since last year. So I would guess my price reflected here has not been adjusted to this year's pricing? Heard from the sales rep that prices have gone up.

No wonder...i almost wanted to go ask why my quote are more expensive than yours It's a good deal then, grab it!

 

[KinoChoco]

Hi all,

I've been spending some time reading on the previous posts from the thread also doing a bit of my own research. I have sort of narrowed down the specs I'm looking for in a diamond.

Round
VVS2 to VS1
D to F
0.5-0.7

I was hoping some of the more experienced members could give their opinions on my choice? Would I be able to get one for a Budget between 3-5K. I am actually willing to go up to 7k if not more depending on the need. However knowing my gf, she wouldn't want me to spend too much (around 2k) on the diamond.

Nonetheless, I do want to get one that's significant enough in size and will look good to the naked eye when she wears it. Since it's a once in a lifetime thing ( for me at least) and I think she deserves it. Hence the specs I chose based on what I've read so far seems to fall nicely in that category. I'm just not too sure price wise if I'll be able to find one.

Otherwise, appreciate if some of you could let me know what I should be looking at for the price range stated? I understand that JP seems like a popular choice with most here, therefore I would inclined to get mine from there as well.

*Disclaimer* I know that ultimately I still need to go see the thing in person since the specs on paper may not look as good in the flesh. Just want to get an idea so that I can start planning financially, and also get an idea of where to look.

Thanks for the help in advance!

It's always good to go higher than your gf's expectation to give her a surprise kudos to you. i'll suggest you getting 0.6x and not 0.5 (0.7 is the next big jump in price.). you MIGHT be able to get one within 5k for 0.6x super ideal at F color VS2. I'm not certain tho, best if you head down to Jann Paul and ask, they are not just 'popular' but with higher quality diamond and priced much lower than other brick and mortar stores. I'll recommend you to find Casey, hes a very nice and friendly chap, and you've most probably seen his videos on JP youtube channel.

 

[mero_cwj]

What's your concern on the inclusions? Its definitely not gonna chip your diamond, also based on the ideal and asets scope, the light return isn't affected by the inclusions, this is all that matter IMO. Unless your concern is the inclusion being obvious under 10x loupe...but typically it's gonna be obvious for VS2, as long it's perfectly eye clean, it's good enough.

Good to know! I could see the inclusions quite clearly in the hearts, which were a lot more visible compared to other diamonds I looked at which were also VS2. But I'm completely new to this so couldn't really tell if they would affect the light return or were truly "eye-clean". I found the ASET scope quite good compared to other examples though. Obviously it will be several grades away from perfect, but I suppose this would be a decent specimen for a G VS2?

Price wise, would around 14k for this diamond be a good price?

 

[KinoChoco]

Good to know! I could see the inclusions quite clearly in the hearts, which were a lot more visible compared to other diamonds I looked at which were also VS2. But I'm completely new to this so couldn't really tell if they would affect the light return or were truly "eye-clean". I found the ASET scope quite good compared to other examples though. Obviously it will be several grades away from perfect, but I suppose this would be a decent specimen for a G VS2?

Price wise, would around 14k for this diamond be a good price?

G VS2 is already at the 'best bang for your bucks' regime - considering the fact that you dont mind G color.

Their pricing are already significantly cheaper than other stores hence it's kinda fixed and if you would like to have a better pricing, use UOB one card and split the payments over 2 quarter paying 2k every month to get 5% rebates, however do note that you will need to go down to the store every month for them to charge the card and you can only collect your ring after you've completed the payments.

Alternatively, check with them if you can get a small discount on cash payment (maybe just 1-2%), no guarantee on this tho, usually they will suggest you to use your credit card for rebates instead.