police selection assessment

[lexiegrey]

Anyone here recently gone for the DEI panel interview and willing to share how it went?

 

[<Fireball>]

HAHAHA guys ****. I got it wrong minimum is to clock 240hrs/month.

But yeah just comparing pros and cons of aux and spf. Just wondering if aux actually do get paid higher if counted on hourly rate compared to spf.

From what I read, Certis PT pay is $12/h, $18/h if exceed 8h of work a day. I would say it depends on how much you work. Assuming you work 8h/day, 6day/wk,
$12/h x 8h x 6 days x4 wks = $2,304

For FT, they pay ~$2.6k or more for armed role, direct-entry Cpl/Sgt, not including bonus.

When I start w/ the SPF in 2 yrs time (diploma by then), I expect $2.2k - $2.3k only. If i get like $2.4k or more i would prob feel lucky.

But seriously? Looking at money? If you are planning on a policing career you might wanna reconsider? No offense here. Still, moving on...

APO and PO have different job scope. At the end of the day, I think the you should first ans the qn "is money more impt than the job achievement/satisfaction etc?"

 

[Tachanka]

Anyone here recently gone for the DEI panel interview and willing to share how it went?

Did mine about 2 weeks back
Basically the standard "tell me more about yourself" then they will ask you questions about your background (NS, school, psych profile, essay answer) but they may not ask about everything or they may not ask about such stuff at all

They will ask some general knowledge questions e.g. COVID-19 then ask you for your views or how would you have handled it etc to see how you think

No news thus far besides receiving the medical date which HR and previous forumers noted to be concurrent with panel outcome so not in the clear yet

 

[FaizTaj]

Im just curious, anyone with a tattoo but not visible and still accepted in the force?
I do know that they dont accept animals or demons tattoo, but yeah, anyone here have been accepted with non visible tattoos?

 

[Tachanka]

Im just curious, anyone with a tattoo but not visible and still accepted in the force?
I do know that they dont accept animals or demons tattoo, but yeah, anyone here have been accepted with non visible tattoos?

Have an acquiantance with a non visible tattoo (on her back) but idk if she got it prior to her acceptance or after

Even if she got it after, it is not reasonable grounds for termination BUT i cannot say for certain if it will affect your chances of getting in

 

[PikachuOh]

I met someone previously with a full back tattoo but civilian officer and during selection assessment they will ask to declare tattoos and during swimming can you cover it up?

Im just curious, anyone with a tattoo but not visible and still accepted in the force?
I do know that they dont accept animals or demons tattoo, but yeah, anyone here have been accepted with non visible tattoos?

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[reddevil0728]

I met someone previously with a full back tattoo but civilian officer and during selection assessment they will ask to declare tattoos and during swimming can you cover it up?

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if they can wear the full length swim wear, can cover up ma

 

[Tachanka]

I met someone previously with a full back tattoo but civilian officer and during selection assessment they will ask to declare tattoos and during swimming can you cover it up?

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For mine they asked whether pt attire can cover up anort
I.e. singlet n pt shorts

 

[FaizTaj]

For mine they asked whether pt attire can cover up anort
I.e. singlet n pt shorts

But were you selected? Cause i cleared my panel and my medical and also soc physical assesment which only those pass the medical will get to that stage..hmmm

 

[kaixin18]

Hi guys for spf what's the hours work done per month AVG ???

For des.

Looked up for auxiliary and said need 420h/m minimum or they would reassess your like employment

420h/m?!? I read that as 420hr per month. Isn't that like 14hr/day everyday?

Based on what I know, GRF does 12hr shift. The cycle goes morning-night-off-off i think. 8am to 8pm for morning and 8pm to 8am for night. Expect longer hours cos of briefing, drawing equipment and debrief etc. Not sure about others. Correct me if i'm wrong.

I don't know about DEI but for DES is defo not 420h/month = 14h/day cus my friend is a DES and based on her instaposts she mcm got like 1-2 days free per week and fireball is right, avg shift is 12h + the time for brief/debrief/equipment

So normally DES after training will go to NPC and work there, unless you get selected to other places like Police Coast Guard or Traffic Police etc.

So in a NPC, you work day and night shifts. 12 hours is the mininum but it can stretch even longer than that.

Day shift - Report at 7 - 7.30am ish. You draw your equipment & briefing. 8 start shift and you patrol whole day until 7.30pm where you return your stuff and debrief until 8+.

This is standard. But depending on which NPCs you are posted too, some are quieter, some are hectic. You can have a last minute case at 7.29pm and you are expected to go there and you can go home very late.

Night shift - Usually report at 6.30pm then draw equipment & briefing then start at 7.30pm. You will work until next day 8am. Again, some nights are quiet, some nights are busy.

Then you will have 2 days off. Cycle repeats.

Sometimes you have cases that you need to follow up/write a folder and reports. This means coming back on your off days at times to finish up work.

So in a month you will mostly work 14/15 days only. There will be one day in the month, on your off day dedicated for training. Means one off day is burnt, so you have to report back to HQ for training, like refreshing up on policing stuff and weapon handling etc.

Source - Well I used to be a NPC officer (NS) for 1+ years. This is what me and the regulars go through.

why go thru all this trouble for $2500 salary after cpf?

 

[Tachanka]

But were you selected? Cause i cleared my panel and my medical and also soc physical assesment which only those pass the medical will get to that stage..hmmm

paiseh I worded it badly
I meant for my SA not my tattoos cus I don't have any and I'm still awaiting an outcome but it is for DEI

The only person I know with tattoos in the force is an acquaintance who is a DES but like I said idk if she got it before or after her acceptance

 

[Watercolorbrush]

From what I read, Certis PT pay is $12/h, $18/h if exceed 8h of work a day. I would say it depends on how much you work. Assuming you work 8h/day, 6day/wk,
$12/h x 8h x 6 days x4 wks = $2,304

For FT, they pay ~$2.6k or more for armed role, direct-entry Cpl/Sgt, not including bonus.

When I start w/ the SPF in 2 yrs time (diploma by then), I expect $2.2k - $2.3k only. If i get like $2.4k or more i would prob feel lucky.

But seriously? Looking at money? If you are planning on a policing career you might wanna reconsider? No offense here. Still, moving on...

APO and PO have different job scope. At the end of the day, I think the you should first ans the qn "is money more impt than the job achievement/satisfaction etc?"

My thought process is like.

Okay so what I applied for is Aetos(medical done,waiting for results atm). And from what I asked around and researched on, spf DES does patrols, and taking care of npp for their main job scopes. Working hours will be like 12h shifts, no OT pay at all, rotating shift, pay based on website and people's exp, it's 2.2k-2.4k before cpf deduction. Correct me if I'm wrong.

For A (aux), main job scope will be patrol. Pay is 3k before cpf deduction. There will be OT pay as well. Working hours are pretty much similar since minimum is 240hrs/m which is around 12 a day for 5days a week.

Of course I did plan to enter spf in hopes of getting promoted to an inspector from DES and eventually be in the investigative dept. I wanted to enter spf for its career advancement/achievement/satisfaction.

But then, I know promotion comes rarely, it is hard to promote and you probably have to work more than 5years to get a promotion. Some people have different experiences, maybe promotion might come early, but most people take 5+years? Correct me if I'm wrong

But Yeap, since spf and aetos pretty much does the same thing for des, thought process is: why not join aux, earn more, do close to the same things, use that money/time to get a part time degree, try to get into spf by DEI.

I mean my mindset now from research and from my po/app friends that they basically have pretty much the same job scopes. I mean if I'm getting it wrong I need an explanation on how different the job scopes are.

 

[risktakkkker]

For regular enlistment, they mention the stuffs to bring for the training like white tshirt, singlet,etc. Do we buy them ourselves, or they are just listed as items but will be issued to us?

 

[Tachanka]

My thought process is like.

Okay so what I applied for is Aetos(medical done,waiting for results atm). And from what I asked around and researched on, spf DES does patrols, and taking care of npp for their main job scopes. Working hours will be like 12h shifts, no OT pay at all, rotating shift, pay based on website and people's exp, it's 2.2k-2.4k before cpf deduction. Correct me if I'm wrong.

For A (aux), main job scope will be patrol. Pay is 3k before cpf deduction. There will be OT pay as well. Working hours are pretty much similar since minimum is 240hrs/m which is around 12 a day for 5days a week.

Of course I did plan to enter spf in hopes of getting promoted to an inspector from DES and eventually be in the investigative dept. I wanted to enter spf for its career advancement/achievement/satisfaction.

But then, I know promotion comes rarely, it is hard to promote and you probably have to work more than 5years to get a promotion. Some people have different experiences, maybe promotion might come early, but most people take 5+years? Correct me if I'm wrong

But Yeap, since spf and aetos pretty much does the same thing for des, thought process is: why not join aux, earn more, do close to the same things, use that money/time to get a part time degree, try to get into spf by DEI.

I mean my mindset now from research and from my po/app friends that they basically have pretty much the same job scopes. I mean if I'm getting it wrong I need an explanation on how different the job scopes are.

I think you need to understand that SPF's role is not just in patrolling/investigation/law enforcement in general, it also involves a lot of engagement with stakeholders including industry leaders and members of the community/CC/PA etc

That is one of the unique thing that SPF is known for in the region and is also why there is high public trust in SPF (~90% as mentioned by minister sham). There's a plethora of neighbourhood and community engagement programmes including mentorship for troubled youths and giving talks/roadshows at schools to raise awareness about crime prevention

APO will definitely give you the experience for on the ground work but my honest opinion (and that of friends in the force) is that if you just want to do law enforcement work, stick with APO. However, if you are looking to actively contribute to the community and work with them, SPF will give such a satisfaction. That was the main reason why I chose to apply to SPF.

 

[Tachanka]

For regular enlistment, they mention the stuffs to bring for the training like white tshirt, singlet,etc. Do we buy them ourselves, or they are just listed as items but will be issued to us?

Should probably contact the recruitment officer or HR who sent you the offer letter
Usually they will provide you the uniform and gear needed since it is a uniformed organisation (hence the standardisation) but not sure now during COVID-19 whether the logistics side able to provide it or not so just ask bah

 

[<Fireball>]

My thought process is like.

Okay so what I applied for is Aetos(medical done,waiting for results atm). And from what I asked around and researched on, spf DES does patrols, and taking care of npp for their main job scopes. Working hours will be like 12h shifts, no OT pay at all, rotating shift, pay based on website and people's exp, it's 2.2k-2.4k before cpf deduction. Correct me if I'm wrong.

For A (aux), main job scope will be patrol. Pay is 3k before cpf deduction. There will be OT pay as well. Working hours are pretty much similar since minimum is 240hrs/m which is around 12 a day for 5days a week.

Of course I did plan to enter spf in hopes of getting promoted to an inspector from DES and eventually be in the investigative dept. I wanted to enter spf for its career advancement/achievement/satisfaction.

But then, I know promotion comes rarely, it is hard to promote and you probably have to work more than 5years to get a promotion. Some people have different experiences, maybe promotion might come early, but most people take 5+years? Correct me if I'm wrong

But Yeap, since spf and aetos pretty much does the same thing for des, thought process is: why not join aux, earn more, do close to the same things, use that money/time to get a part time degree, try to get into spf by DEI.

I mean my mindset now from research and from my po/app friends that they basically have pretty much the same job scopes. I mean if I'm getting it wrong I need an explanation on how different the job scopes are.

Ahh... I see you r trying to aim for officer. I'm not those smart kid who can study and all so I'll just stick with DES and see how far I'll go. I guess we just have diff POV in terms of where we wanna go.

Promotion wise I asked before and I rmb it's ~5yrs, but depends on performance and all too. I'm not sure if rank will go up cos technically there's 3 grades for Sgt before you go SSSgt but def will have some sort of pay raise.

And I agree with Tachanka on the explanation on diff between APO and SPF. In fact, that's the reason why I chose SPF despite many people telling me just go get a degree get an office job or one that pays high. What's the point of a higher pay if I don't find joy in what I do and see no purpose in life? -_-

 

[NotThomas]

My thought process is like.

Okay so what I applied for is Aetos(medical done,waiting for results atm). And from what I asked around and researched on, spf DES does patrols, and taking care of npp for their main job scopes. Working hours will be like 12h shifts, no OT pay at all, rotating shift, pay based on website and people's exp, it's 2.2k-2.4k before cpf deduction. Correct me if I'm wrong.

For A (aux), main job scope will be patrol. Pay is 3k before cpf deduction. There will be OT pay as well. Working hours are pretty much similar since minimum is 240hrs/m which is around 12 a day for 5days a week.

Of course I did plan to enter spf in hopes of getting promoted to an inspector from DES and eventually be in the investigative dept. I wanted to enter spf for its career advancement/achievement/satisfaction.

But then, I know promotion comes rarely, it is hard to promote and you probably have to work more than 5years to get a promotion. Some people have different experiences, maybe promotion might come early, but most people take 5+years? Correct me if I'm wrong

But Yeap, since spf and aetos pretty much does the same thing for des, thought process is: why not join aux, earn more, do close to the same things, use that money/time to get a part time degree, try to get into spf by DEI.

I mean my mindset now from research and from my po/app friends that they basically have pretty much the same job scopes. I mean if I'm getting it wrong I need an explanation on how different the job scopes are.

If you were offered a choice between Aetos and SPF, go for SPF. Aetos and SPF DO NOT DO PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING. Dont bother with Aetos/Cisco. The "ground" work they do is really boring in my opinion. An SPF officer's job is more meaningful regardless of rank.

On the topic of promotion, SPF is like any other organisation out there. If you are willing to put in extra effort, extra hours to do projects not within your job scope. Your supervisors will recognise this, your performance grade is higher, you get promoted faster, not 5 years.

Your ambition of joining as a DES and then getting to Insp is one that is shared with other Junior Officers too, it is not impossible, but know there are limited slots and many capable officers competing with you. But that because it's hard doesn't mean you shouldn't try, I was like you 5 years back haha

 

[NotThomas]

Ahh... I see you r trying to aim for officer. I'm not those smart kid who can study and all so I'll just stick with DES and see how far I'll go. I guess we just have diff POV in terms of where we wanna go.

Promotion wise I asked before and I rmb it's ~5yrs, but depends on performance and all too. I'm not sure if rank will go up cos technically there's 3 grades for Sgt before you go SSSgt but def will have some sort of pay raise.

And I agree with Tachanka on the explanation on diff between APO and SPF. In fact, that's the reason why I chose SPF despite many people telling me just go get a degree get an office job or one that pays high. What's the point of a higher pay if I don't find joy in what I do and see no purpose in life? -_-

Promotions can vary from 2 years ~ 5years to even longer. It depends on your unit, your performance, your years in the current rank, and other hidden factors that Human Resource keeps hush hush about.

And yes, I agree with you too, job satisfaction really outweighs a high paying job.

 

[AfAyZacElAiE]

Is it possible to be assigned to other units even though you applied for direct PTU?

 

[sweetpotatofries]

Hello, I applied for DEI during late June but haven’t gotten a response yet. Just wondering anyone who applied during the same period has gotten one?