[CONSOLIDATED][Russia Edition] General discussion on Ukraine/Russia war

[anonym]

If never give up, it would still be under Russia.

Lets hope Ukraine don't suddenly find some Nukes that they 'forgot' to return..

 

[maikumgong]

actually the mechanism is very intersting. the countries need to open US or Eur accounts at Gazprombank, along with Rubles Account. then they deposit US or EUR into the US or EUR account, and then exchange through Gazprombank to Rubles.

which means Russia still end up with a bunch of EUR and USD that it cannot use because of other financial sanctions.

But now they buy things more cheaply than before

 

[Bodaiboji]

Lets hope Ukraine don't suddenly find some Nukes that they 'forgot' to return..

Find already then?

 

[twinkle07]

 

[twinkle07]

they really think people believe this kind of nonsense...

 

[twinkle07]

Severodonetsk supplies tio cut off riao

 

[NTB2DO]

Probably the biggest mistake Ukraine made was to give up its many Nukes.

Then Ukraine would not need to seek NATO protection and Russia would not dare to invade at all.

Can just peacefully join EU and prosper.

Had Ukraine chosen to remain neutral and not insisting on joining NATO, would Russia still invade Ukraine?

Plus NATO not stupid too, why would NATO let Ukraine joins just in order to make NATO send their troops (consisting of their own countrymen), weapons (funded by their own taxpayers) to protect a complete outsider (Ukraine)?

It's like expecting an insurance company to accept an applicant so that the insurance company would pay for this person's forthcoming hefty medical bill.

Which is why I said Zelensky is truly naive/delusional.

So with someone like Zelensky as its leader, isn't it a blessing that Ukraine doesn't possess nuke?

 

[Entry Level PC]

https://www.rt.com/russia/555883-zelensky-military-size-ukraine/
https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-700-000-soldiers-fighting-123200688.html

Zelensky says Ukraine army upsize from 120,000 to 700,000

But results on the ground, doesn't reflect that at all.

 

[anonym]

Find already then?

If suddenly find some left over Nukes then use it same way that Russia would if territory is threatened.

 

[anonym]

Had Ukraine chosen to remain neutral and not insisting on joining NATO, would Russia still invade Ukraine?

Plus NATO not stupid too, why would NATO let Ukraine joins just in order to make NATO send their troops (consisting of their own countrymen), weapons (funded by their own taxpayers) to protect a complete outsider (Ukraine)?

It's like expecting an insurance company to accept an applicant so that the insurance company would pay for this person's forthcoming hefty medical bill.

Which is why I said Zelensky is truly naive/delusional.

So with someone like Zelensky as its leader, isn't it a blessing that Ukraine doesn't possess nuke?

As long as Ukraine has nukes it will not need to seek NATO protection because it knows nobody would dare to touch its Donbas Crimea etc etc.

Got Nukes, Russia also would not dare to take one inch. Then would not have this current situation .

Much as Zelensky is the current leader, the problems started back in 2014 before he is President.

Also he is probably more of symptom than cause? If people don’t support him also no use, look at Afghanistan, how strong army on paper also lose to Taliban coz no population support.

 

[FrostWurm]

Had Ukraine chosen to remain neutral and not insisting on joining NATO, would Russia still invade Ukraine?

This statement is wrong because it already assumes that Russia is naturally entitled to invade Ukraine if Ukraine joins NATO.

Countries around the world have disputes with each other over many things: fishing grounds, borders, climate change, tariffs, and a whole list of others.

If invading a country is a just way to settle disputes, then there would be no need for negotiations already. Countries should just attack each other to resolve disagreements, the same way you and I should just talk with our fists and not with our mouths.

One of the key reasons that Indonesia carried out Konfrontasi was because it was opposed to the creation of the Federation of Malaya which our country was involved as well.

Was it wrong for Singapore and Malaysia then to form a country? Our foreign policy choices dictated by a neighbouring country?

This is the wrong way of thinking. Such an argument is simply untenable.

 

[FrostWurm]

https://www.rt.com/russia/555883-zelensky-military-size-ukraine/
https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-700-000-soldiers-fighting-123200688.html

Zelensky says Ukraine army upsize from 120,000 to 700,000

But results on the ground, doesn't reflect that at all.

Dno leh, seems they managed to kick the Russians out of Kiev.

Don't tell me its tactical retreat ah This story is already overused by now

 

[FrostWurm]

So with someone like Zelensky as its leader, isn't it a blessing that Ukraine doesn't possess nuke?

Nope.

Russia would not dare to invade Ukraine if Ukraine had nukes. Plain and simple. War avoided.

 

[Bam25th]

This statement is wrong because it already assumes that Russia is naturally entitled to invade Ukraine if Ukraine joins NATO.

Countries around the world have disputes with each other over many things: fishing grounds, borders, climate change, tariffs, and a whole list of others.

If invading a country is a just way to settle disputes, then there would be no need for negotiations already. Countries should just attack each other to resolve disagreements, the same way you and I should just talk with our fists and not with our mouths.

One of the key reasons that Indonesia carried out Konfrontasi was because it was opposed to the creation of the Federation of Malaya which our country was involved as well.

Was it wrong for Singapore and Malaysia then to form a country? Our foreign policy choices dictated by a neighbouring country?

This is the wrong way of thinking. Such an argument is simply untenable.

They are not entitled to invade, but entitlement is not a prerequisite. No one is entitled to wage war with another, but there’s still so many wars around, especially in Middle East.

Your thinking is simply wrong. Morality is subjective. Right vs wrong is subjective as well.

There is a need for negotiation, but in this case, negotiation clearly failed. Ukraine simply refused to negotiate and insist on joining NATO at all costs, even if the costs involved war with Russia.

So, they simply got what they asked for.

 

[orangefr3ak]

Ukraine must not exist as a country.
Kosovo must not exist as a country.
Palestine must not exist as a country.
Taiwan must not exist as a country.
Simple as.

 

[FrostWurm]

There is a need for negotiation, but in this case, negotiation clearly failed. Ukraine simply refused to negotiate and insist on joining NATO at all costs, even if the costs involved war with Russia.

So, they simply got what they asked for.

It is puzzling that you chose to frame NATO as the main issue, considering that Russia's announced objective in the war was to "denazify" Ukraine, something that is impossible to negotiate because it does not even have any decipherable meaning.

More puzzling is that Russia did not even give an ultimatum to Ukraine that joining NATO was Russia's red line. Instead, Putin chose to announce that his troops were simply surrounding Ukraine for military training. And when he invaded, he merely said that modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia by severing what was historically Russian land.

NATO was never the main issue here. And it is not possible to negotiate with someone who doesn't even think that you deserve to exist.

 

[kelhot2001]

Nope.

Russia would not dare to invade Ukraine if Ukraine had nukes. Plain and simple. War avoided.

No necessary true, we never know if russia will invade Ukraine even if UA have nukes.
Your assumption is not correct.

 

[kelhot2001]

It is puzzling that you chose to frame NATO as the main issue, considering that Russia's announced objective in the war was to "denazify" Ukraine, something that is impossible to negotiate because it does not even have any decipherable meaning.

More puzzling is that Russia did not even give an ultimatum to Ukraine that joining NATO was Russia's red line. Instead, Putin chose to announce that his troops were simply surrounding Ukraine for military training. And when he invaded, he merely said that modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia by severing what was historically Russian land.

NATO was never the main issue here. And it is not possible to negotiate with someone who doesn't even think that you deserve to exist.

It is quite a fact that NATO expansion had been the sore point for Russia. Russia did point out UA joining NATOnis the red line. The same with China painting certain red line. NaTO to painted their red line as in inch of NATO territory . The excuse to denazify is as good as say there is WMD excuse.

There isnt any right or wrong, it is a matter of worth or not worth (in the eyes of the perpetrators) not in our views

 

[MyWill]

This statement is wrong because it already assumes that Russia is naturally entitled to invade Ukraine if Ukraine joins NATO.

Countries around the world have disputes with each other over many things: fishing grounds, borders, climate change, tariffs, and a whole list of others.

If invading a country is a just way to settle disputes, then there would be no need for negotiations already. Countries should just attack each other to resolve disagreements, the same way you and I should just talk with our fists and not with our mouths.

One of the key reasons that Indonesia carried out Konfrontasi was because it was opposed to the creation of the Federation of Malaya which our country was involved as well.

Was it wrong for Singapore and Malaysia then to form a country? Our foreign policy choices dictated by a neighbouring country?

This is the wrong way of thinking. Such an argument is simply untenable.

Superbly written. Have u writtern to EU, UN and other international bodies to ask them to arrest US and confiscate its international assets for its illegal war in afghan, syria, libya, and iraq?? Rebuilding still incomplete in these countries. Victims and families of war causualties not compensated as well.

 

[FrostWurm]

Superbly written. Have u writtern to EU, UN and other international bodies to ask them to arrest US and confiscate its international assets for its illegal war in afghan, syria, libya, and iraq?? Rebuilding still incomplete in these countries. Victims and families of war causualties not compensated as well.

Nope, I am but an armchair critic like you.