PC - HDR Gaming - Sharing Experience

[matique]

Played some Dead Space at night on my AW3423DW. Absolutely amazing game that showcases HDR can elevate your gaming experience.

 

[Yongkit]

Played some Dead Space at night on my AW3423DW. Absolutely amazing game that showcases HDR can elevate your gaming experience.

Is it more scarring? I wanna try but scare

 

[matique]

Is it more scarring? I wanna try but scare

Hahaha yah even more scary cause your whole room dark. With oled the dark parts are darker so sometimes it really is they suddenly appear behind you.

 

[Yongkit]

I was checking out this monitor earlier, but I think the downside is that 60hz refresh rate. Good for console gaming since no console can meet 4K @ 60FPS in graphically taxing titles. There is a review on Youtube that shows that the monitor is very good when it comes to feature and HDR, but seems like the panel is slower and thus, there's ghosting. If you want to see the actual monitor, I think you can find a Philip monitor booth on the 4th floor.

I went to see the monitor and it's looks very clean design overall. However I unable to see the HDR effect cause it is connected with HDMI to android box.

 

[watzup_ken]

I went to see the monitor and it's looks very clean design overall. However I unable to see the HDR effect cause it is connected with HDMI to android box.

Yeah, they are looping some photos. But as far as I can tell, the dark areas are clearly darker than the monitors around it. May be can bring your Type C cable and ask them if you can try it connected to your mobile phone since it supports TB display. It will also give your phone a free charge. The main thing I would recommend to try out is how "slow/fast" is the panel. If you run some games, just need to keep a lookout for ghosting and input lag, which you may not observe watching those Youtube HDR videos.

 

[Yongkit]

Yeah, they are looping some photos. But as far as I can tell, the dark areas are clearly darker than the monitors around it. May be can bring your Type C cable and ask them if you can try it connected to your mobile phone since it supports TB display. It will also give your phone a free charge. The main thing I would recommend to try out is how "slow/fast" is the panel. If you run some games, just need to keep a lookout for ghosting and input lag, which you may not observe watching those Youtube HDR videos.

Oh i never though of using my phone good idea if i going down will try next time.

I am trying on my monitor for 60Hz for gaming at 4k see if I can manage the expectation if I really getting this Philips monitor

 

[kimsix]

Oh i never though of using my phone good idea if i going down will try next time.

I am trying on my monitor for 60Hz for gaming at 4k see if I can manage the expectation if I really getting this Philips monitor

that philip is 1.6k!

for 60hz limitation is imo not worth.

top up can get acer x32fp. dimming zones may not as much, but for games and videos should not be obvious, just turn off windows hdr if no need.




https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PC_Shopping/M.1654629753.A.8F7.html

 

[Yongkit]

that philip is 1.6k!

for 60hz limitation is imo not worth.

top up can get acer x32fp. dimming zones may not as much, but for games and videos should not be obvious, just turn off windows hdr if no need.




https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PC_Shopping/M.1654629753.A.8F7.html

Many thanks will looks into details tonight.

I am actually more interested with Innocn 32in mini LED now from Amazon US which is around S$1.5k, the bigger variant as Ken got the 27in.

Now have more option to considered

 

[kimsix]

Many thanks will looks into details tonight.

I am actually more interested with Innocn 32in mini LED now from Amazon US which is around S$1.5k, the bigger variant as Ken got the 27in.

Now have more option to considered

The innocn 32 got good specs.

cons i see is no warranty and dead pixel exchange policy.

hdr1000 is hot in use too

it does not use dc dimming, so its pwm flickers may affect you.

guess have to think hard risk and rewards at 1.5k

 

[Yongkit]

The innocn 32 got good specs.

cons i see is no warranty and dead pixel exchange policy.

hdr1000 is hot in use too

it does not use dc dimming, so its pwm flickers may affect you.

guess have to think hard risk and rewards at 1.5k

Ya it's true, and it's hard decision making now

 

[Yongkit]

interesting HDR Test video to show the different in brightness nits impact on the contents for those with HDR display or mobile phone.

 

[Phen8210]

The innocn 32 got good specs.

cons i see is no warranty and dead pixel exchange policy.

hdr1000 is hot in use too

it does not use dc dimming, so its pwm flickers may affect you.

guess have to think hard risk and rewards at 1.5k

For no-frills monitor just wait ba, we are getting there. At this rate, we should be seeing some EOY or next year.

I don't wanna buy another 1k+ monitor just to return

 

[Phen8210]

many thanks for sharing and this topic of HDR bogus video is an interesting discussion which I think we can continue on my other HDR thread

My main point for the windows OS slider in HDR setting was that if we are in HDR mode as following screeshot on my monitor with side by side comparison of HDR (LEFT) & SDR (RIGHT) video in 2 chorme browser (in one monitor not two different monitor)

I can noticed better contrast on the HDR left compare to SDR right by looking at the cloud surrounding the character with more vibrant color as well as the skin tone of the character plus the sun flare is more contained compare to the right.

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Changing the slider (red circle) below will not changed the brightness in the left HDR video, but it will change the brightness on the right SDR video this is because some are confused and assume when the monitor was in HDR mode all content display are perceived as HDR color space.

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You should compare the same video from the same channel.

The footage on HDR-X has saturated colors even on SDR playback. This means the colors have been exaggerated to fool viewers.

left (original in SDR), right (HDR-X version in SDR)

The below comparison is in HDR mode and comparing SDR to HDR, both from HDR-X channel. The shadows are emphasized. The max luminance values of the lighting remain more or less the same. The SDR slider is calibrated to the best I can.

SDR (left), HDR (right), SDR slider correctly calibrated

In HDR mode using windows, badly calibrated SDR sliders can make SDR content appear duller than default and mislead people into thinking that the HDR is more vibrant and contrasted than it actually is, just like this.

SDR (left), HDR (right), SDR slider wrongly calibrated

From my experience, this so-called 'HDR' clip barely had any HDR attributes. It looks just like SDR content with saturated colors, which is extremely obvious to me. Both of which I mentioned in my post on the other thread.

These sorts of 'HDR' content r giving people a false impression of HDR, but I will stop here because it's not my problem anyway.

 

[Yongkit]

You should compare the same video from the same channel.

The footage on HDR-X has saturated colors even on SDR playback. This means the colors have been exaggerated to fool viewers.


The below comparison is in HDR mode and comparing SDR to HDR, both from HDR-X channel. The shadows are emphasized. The max luminance values of the lighting remain more or less the same. The SDR slider is calibrated to the best I can.


In HDR mode using windows, badly calibrated SDR sliders can make SDR content appear duller than default and mislead people into thinking that the HDR is more vibrant and contrasted than it actually is, just like this.


From my experience, this so-called 'HDR' clip barely had any HDR attributes. It looks just like SDR content with saturated colors, which is extremely obvious to me. Both of which I mentioned in my post on the other thread.

These sorts of 'HDR' content r giving people a false impression of HDR, but I will stop here because it's not my problem anyway.

Interesting reseached you have done.

A few questions in my mind regarding your tuning and practicality:

1. In HDR mode what is the % of the SDR slider you push to match the HDR color in the following comparison?



2. for daily SDR mode, will you use the same % of SDR brightness that match to the HDR for your daily usage meaning with 400nits brightnes and above ?

3. have you found any true "HDR" clip that would results in different results as in the SDR slider max out but still unable to match with the HDR color space?

4. any streaming services you aware that would show the true HDR contents on PC ?

5. have you try record a HDR game play and then upload it to youtube and check if youtube can display in "HDR"? if it does in "HDR", would you be able to do the same test to show that it does not matter as if in SDR mode with proper enhancement still match the HDR mode?

6. Is it realistic to expect all user who have HDR mode in their monitor to manually tune SDR color space to match the HDR color space for the dynamic content like youtube video?

7. What is your view on each setting of the windows 11 HDR calibration tool, and do you think it is just a tool without any true purpose on HDR monitor or have no use for OLED panel?

8. I am not sure if your test is on OLED panel or IPS monitors ? Does OLED panel also show no different of your test when SDR tune vs HDR?

this are some of the questions i have in mind since I do not own any OLED monitor to test for now except my phone, and sadly it does not have the SDR slider.

Do you agreed that when in HDR mode the SDR slider will have no effect on the HDR video from the youtube?

 

[Phen8210]

3. have you found any true "HDR" clip that would results in different results as in the SDR slider max out but still unable to match with the HDR color space?

I suggest capturing real-life footage in both SDR and HDR10+, then playback it back to see the characteristics.

 

[Yongkit]

I suggest capturing real-life footage in both SDR and HDR10+, then playback it back to see the characteristics.

Sadly my p6a have no control on HDR10 video recording capabilities only pixel 7/pro does.

Nevertheless I think with the right editing tool user still can enhanced the SDR video color space and vibrancy recorded to enhanced the contrast to match the native HDR video of the pixel 7/pro am I correct?

So basically I think my p6a is doable but need more extra effort to upgrade the SDR video to HDR video while comparing to pixel 7/pro directly using HDR function.

This seems like what you have been trying to archived enhanced the SDR (p6a) with multiple tweaking manually to match HDR (p7/pro) at single click?

 

[Yongkit]

battle of 13 mini LED monitors (special appearance lg c2 oled)

 

[Yongkit]

the demo is out on steam and can test your HDR / RT / FSR 1, 2

 

[Yongkit]

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/lon...iuwtVRlttSleDAEq7kVjVOKfDoN4vL6RH98DVBJI9cbCU
Updated report from RTINGS shown Samsung QD-OLED is more prone to permanent image retention (burn in) than LG WOLED in short of 2 months longevity test.

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[elmariachi]

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/lon...iuwtVRlttSleDAEq7kVjVOKfDoN4vL6RH98DVBJI9cbCU
Updated report from RTINGS shown Samsung QD-OLED is more prone to permanent image retention (burn in) than LG WOLED in short of 2 months longevity test.

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For the last few days using my LG monitor, I get random popup messages on the monitor that image clean-up has completed. I think the LG monitor actively does this as and when needed which is a good thing.