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Another one

just recieved a call from ORIENTAL TRAVEL (we bought a membership 5 years ago, foolishly) offering a 100% refund of membership fees. Just go down to their office on xxxx date, it won't take more than 1 hour, so they say......sound familiar to anyone?

any oriental travel victims here have similar experience?
 

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Quote from C@sebites,
Issue 127, Published 26 May 2009
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þ Under the CPFTA, consumers can terminate timeshare contracts or membership upgrades within a 5-day cooling-off period (if contract is signed after 15 April 2009), which excludes weekends and public holidays. This, however, excludes timeshare termination, reselling or leasing contracts.
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Don't mind me saying this, but is CASE contradicting themselves?

If you ask my opinion, if the amount paid up wasn't too high and you are mentally prepared to treat it as an important lesson learnt, send the termination by registered mail and forget about them.

I did that.

I didn't go to CASE and suffered double humiliation - 1. still have to pay the scammers, 2. kenna backstab by the organisation that supposedly helps consumers.

Stand up and be proud of termination. Timeshare should not get another cent!
 

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why you all will fall into timeshare plot?
greed.. one word to describe.. as simple as that... there's no free lunch in this world... blame yourself for being greedy.. that's all..
 

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just to add, you pay for what you get.. dun be so cheapskate trying to get good deals or even free deals.. get your travel package from a reputable agencies, you will be safe...
 

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why you all will fall into timeshare plot?
greed.. one word to describe.. as simple as that... there's no free lunch in this world... blame yourself for being greedy.. that's all..

do you even know how the product was marketed?

I wasn't on timeshare, it was to be member of some hotel package. I do travel a lot and thought it will come in handy, but in the end, the service is vague and pricing isn't any cheaper compared to online deals.

are you working for them?:)
 

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hi to all, DiscoveryVIII sent me a letter that they are relocating.

the letter states their new address as:

123 Penang Road #03-12 Regency House Singapore 238465

New address to be wary of scams. Guess the Tong Bldg address is getting too infamous?
 

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do you even know how the product was marketed?

I wasn't on timeshare, it was to be member of some hotel package. I do travel a lot and thought it will come in handy, but in the end, the service is vague and pricing isn't any cheaper compared to online deals.

are you working for them?:)

I don't work for them.. they sucks anyway..

if you are a frequent traveller, the hotel that you often stay with will offer loyalty program or some membership directly to you and not from a 3rd party (in this case time-share company). there company just uses hard selling to get their so called members which I guess you are one of their victim. its very simple, why would you fall for it? the deals they offers are too attractive?? their offers are too good to be true?
 

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I do not agree with your statement that people are greedy in buying time share. Its very popular in Europe and US. My UK land lord enjoyed his trip every year. Mind you, he is the working class and hardly had holidays while he worked. He is retired now and travelling outside the country. Hotel bookings in EU and US for similar class are actually quite expensive. Of course, don't compared budget and motel kind.... However, something I didn't realise when I bought mine thinking I can enjoy some saving for travelling in asia. That's what I have in mind, and because I knew hotel booking in EU & US was expensive that made me sign up. Greedy? Its up to you to say. Why not tell SG tourism promotion board not to promote GSS in SG? Tell them not to promote SG as a tourist destination? Why make offers to attract these people to come to SG to shop, eat,... etc? Don't you think all these people who visited SG are equally greedy due to great promotion offers and discount too?

It was only after I bought and doing my own sum did I realise I was wrong as travelling in Asia is much cheaper. I still own another TS, something I had enjoyed for almost a decade untill this recession hit them hard. Its for the convenience of my family as I can't always take leave as and when, So i would like them to check into a local hotel instead of overseas while I have a peace of mind working. A least, I am making full use of it...
 
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I do not agree with your statement that people are greedy in buying time share. Its very popular in Europe and US. My UK land lord enjoyed his trip every year. Mind you, he is the working class and hardly had holidays while he worked. He is retired now and travelling outside the country. Hotel bookings in EU and US for similar class are actually quite expensive. Of course, don't compared budget and motel kind.... However, something I didn't realise when I bought mine thinking I can enjoy some saving for travelling in asia. That's what I have in mind, and because I knew hotel booking in EU & US was expensive that made me sign up. Greedy? Its up to you to say. Why not tell SG tourism promotion board not to promote GSS in SG? Tell them not to promote SG as a tourist destination? Why make offers to attract these people to come to SG to shop, eat,... etc? Don't you think all these people who visited SG are equally greedy due to great promotion offers and discount too?

It was only after I bought and doing my own sum did I realise I was wrong as travelling in Asia is much cheaper. I still own another TS, something I had enjoyed for almost a decade untill this recession hit them hard. Its for the convenience of my family as I can't always take leave as and when, So i would like them to check into a local hotel instead of overseas while I have a peace of mind working. A least, I am making full use of it...

thats different culture my friend... check out how these stupid time share things "scamed" people here? once bitten twice shy... and why do people still falling for it??
 

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thats different culture my friend... check out how these stupid time share things "scamed" people here? once bitten twice shy... and why do people still falling for it??

I agree and disagree. While there are people who falls into this category for whatever reasons, but there are those who don't, can't say in general because I am one such person and I personally know people who owns it for their leisure use and enjoy using.

FYI, I still own another TS which I am enjoy using it because it suits my needs. I had even contacted those in the same TS and who are enjoying for years. I don't see why not when their offer is better than booking through agent? Of course, all other TS, I would not buy any more neither interested. Only thing I can see, they didn't do their sum well, just like my 1st mistake when I assume certain things to be universal and key point was, my wife became pregnant after that, which make that TS not suitable for our needs. My current TS meet my requriement and I had been using it for several years arleady.

Anyway, those scam, MOST are about re-sale of TS that people get cons. that could be greed in the 1st place as many would try to recover lost but ended up loosing more $$$. I agree casue I was once CON too. As for TS. the only con job here, not about GREED. its about not being trueful and telling all information regarding the product which many are pissed off like myself. Why do they have so much of this problem, but much being heard of in EU and US? this products are afterall, imported from there and for years, people had been using it. Even Malaysia, as I read, has a much better control and governance ruling than SG has. Why? for the Gov to answer.... this Q

So don't just generalise about this TS thing. There is nothing wrong with TS, but something wrong with the way people sell them. GREEDY? whose not greedy when you read in the papers, AirAsia offering free tickets or discoutned fare so cheap? see the amount of poeple queuing just before 12midnight to submit online application. I am sure there are plenty of such news as I read in the press when they started... so much more and even complaints about not getting any... now who is greedy?
I am in touch with many Malaysians TS owners like myself through blog, sharing information and seeking redress when there is problems.

WHy don't you see it as a form of membership? Even my colleagues enjoy using her TS, she bought it much earlier than I do (>15yrs and been using it every year)

The thing you are reading here is when people are afraid of being CON, they try find out more before being con again. How they can recoup their loss? learning from lesson too, Its because they get CON that you get to read about it here. People get smarter and learn from mistakle and of course, some don't... then really they ought to be CON...You may ask why this again and again... . .greedy, human nature perhaps.
 
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Did they say that they r affiliated to a law firm ? Upon checking with the law firm, the law firm denied any affiliation but Lee Chandran & Partners did engaged them. But they cannot guaranteed it... how successful or $ can get in return. What puzzled me, they claimed that they went to law sch but didn't practice. they even claimed the the r solicitor for that partiucular law firm. Their name card stated CONTRACT EXECUTIVE....

I guess we r in the same boat...
Do not believe Lee Chandran & Partners. They are the same gang from Orion Belts Network. They close down Orion Belts Network and setup Lee Chandran & Partners last year and they are not registered under the Singapore Law Society.

Whats make you think that they can help you get back your money in timeshare? If you have money to pay them, you might as well spend it on yr next holiday. There is no way they will help you get your money back.

For those who have pay deposit. You should log a case with Case and CAD to get your remaining deposit back.
 

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Hi All,

Anyone can advised me as to this company. A friend of mine received a call from the above saying they are able to resolve her Time Share issue.

So any updates from anyone.

Just came back with my friend from visiting the above company. They said they able to go through the legal channels for money recovery. Said they have success in recovery.

Any one out there aware of this company doing what they claim.
 
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Hi All,

Anyone can advised me as to this company. A friend of mine received a call from the above saying they are able to resolve her Time Share issue.

So any updates from anyone.

Just came back with my friend from visiting the above company. They said they able to go through the legal channels for money recovery. Said they have success in recovery.

Any one out there aware of this company doing what they claim.

There is basically no chance in recovering sums paid to timeshare companies. Don't fall into traps that you have to cough out more money.
 

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There is basically no chance in recovering sums paid to timeshare companies. Don't fall into traps that you have to cough out more money.


Thanks Jaypct. That was what I originally thought so as well. They were so convincing that they have a panel of lawyers that "were successful" in managing to get back for their clients the amount that they have paid up.
 

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got this call from 6438 1298, free 1 to 1 cruise voucher or 1000 dollars shopping voucher (you can buy handphone etc etc).

SCAM for sure!
 

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dig dig

got this call from 6438 1298, free 1 to 1 cruise voucher or 1000 dollars shopping voucher (you can buy handphone etc etc).

SCAM for sure!

if i have the time to spare, i might attend the presentation, and of course, i will leave my credit card at home and maybe carry only $30 with me...

just be there and keep smiling at the consultant and laugh at everything he say, think should be quite fun.:D
 

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got this call from 6438 1298, free 1 to 1 cruise voucher or 1000 dollars shopping voucher (you can buy handphone etc etc).

SCAM for sure!

er.....sekali they said can only buy phone that's worth $2K, but market value $500 lol!

btw, anybody knows what's Asialink Leisure Group up to? They went to steal or buy some timeshare list and then anyhow call people that they wanna buy their membership?! :s22:
 
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GPGT - survey and winning $1000 gift certificate

Also posted at http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2481627

I am so noob!!!

I'm just writing this out to create awareness if any of you might be contacted by them, and are prepared for such 'presentations'.

Whether the company is legit or not, whether their products are really good or not, I have no proof either way (since I haven't bought them), so it is all up to you to decide.

Situation - Survey, and selected for $1000 Gift Certificate

About a week ago, I got a call for a quick survey - asking about occupation, and number of credit cards I own. Very fast survey.

Yesterday (friday evening), I got a call (by "Karen", from "Asia Demand") saying that I amongst the 20 chosen out of the 500 surveys, and won a $1000 gift certificate, and a 1-1 cruise voucher, as well as hotel stays in Thailand. There was an emphasis that gift certificate is cash value for anything, services, electronic, clothing, etc... NOT discounts, but cash value.

To claim the prize, I have to go down to their office today (saturday) from 2pm to 3.30pm, and must attend a 90-minute presentation, no obligations.

Arrival day

Office is at 3rd storey Regency House (take the elevator next to the hair salon), between Dhoby Ghaut and Somerset MRT. At first when I exited the lift, I saw "i.Discover International", not "Asia Demand", I left, but when I called them, they said it is the place.

When I arrived, the lady who called me (Karen) wasn't around, so another girl (Stella) spoke to me for the first 90 minutes.

Recollection of stuff discussed during the 90 minutes
  • If you are not comfortable, you can leave at any time. But, if no 90mins, no gift.
  • They are NOT timeshare. Timeshare is Resorts, instead they do hotels.
  • Timeshare takes 6 months to switch between resorts, instead they have a pool of readily available hotels that you can choose to stay in
  • They offer the lowest non-budget airfares
  • Where do you want to travel to?
  • They have partnerships with a huge number of hotels, mainly 4 or 5 star hotels
  • For these hotels, membership rates for the first 10 days are SGD $10-50 per night, and a bit more expensive after these 10 days. (Regional hotels are cheapest, and european hotels the most ex)
  • The hotel rates are so cheap, because you're only paying for breakfast, make-up-room service, etc... And they are trying to earn from spa and room services, instead of letting the rooms stay vacant
  • Membership rates for cruises are also highly discounted, about 60% to 70%.
  • Yearly membership fees is $350, and one-time membership fee (that lasts 50 years) undisclosed
  • If you didn't travel for one entire year, there will be a rebate of $600 per non-travelling year, so that you're not obliged to travel just because you paid for membership
  • One time membership fees only disclosable upon attending for longer (than 90 minutes), upon letting the manager talk about about the 'full package'
  • Do you like the offer? If you're interested, you can listen on. If not, you may leave. This is a one-day-only invitation. If you're already there once, you will not be allowed to come back another time to apply.
Things that sounded HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS
  • One-day only invite, one-time only offer per person
  • You will not be given opportunity to "go back home and consider"
  • According to them, its only ONE-DAY-ONLY because they don't want to waste time having their consultants serve customers over and over again, compared to other well-known travel agencies
  • They will not disclose the price of the complete membership (especially the hefty one-time payment) within the first 90 minutes, actual package takes another 60 minutes
  • I thought, if it is so good, why didn't they set up a booth at NATAS fair instead?
Additionally, according to a middle-aged couple I spoke to after leaving the building together, who stayed and listened to the entire product presentation, and were close to buying and signing a contract:

  • They will not allow you to keep or photocopy the contract for reading
  • Have to pay the one-time membership fee immediately
  • A 10-year membership will be about $10k to $12k

My own opinions
  • Reminds me of Bernie Madoff's grand ponzi scheme. Huge initial capital payments. Great service, and products were really very good (since they have lots of $$$ from the one-time membership fees, to pay off for your travels and hotel stays)
  • Damn it, never bring voice recorder
  • The idea of "too good to be true, too good to be true" kept ringing in my head

What I did
After saying that I'm not prepared to listen nor pay for the membership, I was allowed to leave, and collect my complimentary gift.

Ultimate NOOB PWNAGE

And to really take the cake, here is a picture of the "$1000" certificate. It is a FRICKIN PHOTOCOPY. The receptionist who passed me the certificates in an envelop said that the certificated ID number at the bottom right (1008) will be used to redeem at the website.

(no confidentiality clause, no unique winner identification, most of all, its crap anyway, so I'm free to post it here)=:p


A google search on "shoppingspreeforyou.com" will reveal that its quite a scam. You pay $10 to "process" the certificate, but will eventually still pay to buy the items you want.

Crap, even their logo was sloppily pasted over and photocopied.

If you like it, feel free to attend their presentation to get it from them. Also came with the 1-for-1 cruise, and a free 1-day car rental voucher. Will show pictures here if requested.

Other info

The call was from: 64381238, by Karen, from "Asia Demand", an outsourced call center.
The person who attended to me, was Stella.
The address of the place is the 3rd Level of Regency House. Not the apartments, but the office block.
The signage the moment you exit the elevator: "i.discover international", similar to the lousy UHU-job on the photocopied gift certificate.
 
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I do not agree with your statement that people are greedy in buying time share. Its very popular in Europe and US. My UK land lord enjoyed his trip every year. Mind you, he is the working class and hardly had holidays while he worked. He is retired now and travelling outside the country. Hotel bookings in EU and US for similar class are actually quite expensive. Of course, don't compared budget and motel kind.... However, something I didn't realise when I bought mine thinking I can enjoy some saving for travelling in asia. That's what I have in mind, and because I knew hotel booking in EU & US was expensive that made me sign up. Greedy? Its up to you to say. Why not tell SG tourism promotion board not to promote GSS in SG? Tell them not to promote SG as a tourist destination? Why make offers to attract these people to come to SG to shop, eat,... etc? Don't you think all these people who visited SG are equally greedy due to great promotion offers and discount too?

It was only after I bought and doing my own sum did I realise I was wrong as travelling in Asia is much cheaper. I still own another TS, something I had enjoyed for almost a decade untill this recession hit them hard. Its for the convenience of my family as I can't always take leave as and when, So i would like them to check into a local hotel instead of overseas while I have a peace of mind working. A least, I am making full use of it...

Do we (Singapore) has a consumer act to protect scam from these time share like Europe and US? I guess not ! Dont always use experience in other countries and applies it to local or Asia environment.

My advice, pay a little more when you need it for piece of mind. These timeshare company come and go easily.
 
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Do we (Singapore) has a consumer act to protect scam from these time share like Europe and US? I guess not ! Dont always use experience in other countries and applies it to local or Asia environment.

My advice, pay a little more when you need it for piece of mind. These timeshare company come and go easily.

What's wrong quoting oversea experience? Many whom I spoke to in the past weren't not even aware of when I shared with them my experience overseas, even to the way I did my sum and explain why this TS thing isn't really good for most of us without really looking at the big picture, or rather looking into the specific needs of oneself. This is so true for me, waste my time buying my TS, kanna CON only found out too late.

Afterall, this stupid TS thing started from there and these TS companies sell them to to squeeze $$ out of us Asians. Its not about another countries experience. Its precisely how this works in the West that companies started pushing and selling this in Asia. As I am currently in a Google group for members only from a particular TS holiday plan. Most members are either Malaysians or Singaporeans, working to ensure that members should a least get a fair deal, even then, there are still other issues.

Well, you may like to pay more for less, its up to you. For me, I am paying lesser with my current TS plan if I do it DIY. Again, this is not always the case. Sometimes, certain location, the bargain is marginal, but at times, its quite a lot such depending on location. FYI, do not be mistaken, what most of us did was buy from TS company. Its the TS company that KILL us all. My current TS planning isn't from any of such company. I bought it directly from the developer, which also manage the TS. Its also a well known big listed company.

However, I must say in SG, we are not really protected despite what the Gov had done. Its just not enough, else, how on earth every year so many complains. Just too bad..
 
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