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My new bot just arrived ...

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Finally freeing me from sweeping the !@@#$$#$! floor with a broom everyday!!! :D
 
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Not sure about LG but the iClebo and Samsung is really a disappointment in suction power. iClebo has a very smart navigation though.

Check out the recent Straits Time DL review and iRobot is still the champ but LG and Neato was not in the picture.

How much is the damage includding shipping for it bro?
 
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Because i need a smart bot to replace my Neato XV11 and there arent many candidates. Its either Samsung, LG or iClebo and LG is the best of the 3.

LG Roboking VR6173LVM floor cleaner robot | Robot Buying Guide
I applaud ur courage to buy a newly launched product direct from Korea & probably too new & language barrier to find self-help tech support.
But I also know u've tried many robots, probably >50% of brands out there.

I was just at a new Scooba customer's home 2 days ago, his house is big double storey. His marble floor has not been properly cleaned for 2 yrs, the wife did try her best to mop with hot water but Scooba dirty tank was still churning out murky water after ~5 runs in 5 days.

His LG Roboking just arrived few hrs before I went, he JUST printed out the English manual which was only available for a previous model. But close enough.

His damage ~$1000 inclusive direct global shipping. He was so Kiasu he bought ~10 spare HEPA filters, and maybe 4 replacement sidebrushes. I guess it's a "might as well" mentality.

I was very amazed that Roboking could clean under low lighting, it went into the kitchen which was dark. It also cleaned under couch. It was nite time so it was dark under couch. I know for a fact that the top camera looks at the ceiling, but in darkness, how can it see anything or map any lighting fixtures since none were illuminated.

The rear has a mini red lamp, I was speculating it to be UV disinfectant (like QQ2), but red is not UV. So I jokingly said maybe it's like Optical Mouse & scanning the floor, guess what... after searching Internet, it really is scanning the floor, a Giant Optical Mouse with 1Tb RAM??? :s31:

Roboking is also ridiculously silent, I put my hand at the rear & hardly feel any exhaust wind, unlike Roomba or Neato.
The bottom is a single brush with half & half profile (like 1st gen Roomba 500 red bristle brush), the vacuum duct is directly in line just like Neato's design.
Bin design is a detachable lunch box with a mini brush attached. U can put bread & spread Nutella using the mini brush.

Battery is Li-Po, the most ex rechargeable battery, but has the highest energy density. Commonly used for Aerial remote control hobby.

Roboking has selectable U-turn mode (like Neato), or Spatial mode where it breaks large area into smaller grids & U-turn grid by grid. U-turn is faster, so I don't know what's the benefit of Spatial.

Roboking goes over every area once, like Neato. So I can't say if cleaning will be thorough. But coverage will be thorough like Neato, even for very large area since it also has low batt self-resume feature.

Climbing kerbs is not a strength, I think is cos of the low bumper design.
Front is a mini swivel wheel, rear has 2 mini fixed-axis wheels (like Neato). I read review, someone says rear fixed wheel scratches floor during direction change, I believe the same goes for Neato, although I haven't seen any obvious marks on my parquet, unlike last time (late 2007) when I was using V-bot (early version with fixed-axis front wheel).

Frankly, after viewing Roboking at my customer's place, I'm tempted to get one. $1000 is major damage, but it is cool.
The only concern for me is always the ability to service, since it's a new product & not marketed outside Korea yet. The earlier version has been marketed in Europe & Australia.
When I took the plunge to buy Neato, it was a rush of blood & overwhelming curiosity. Same for Scooba 230, scully buy lemon. But techie needs new toys.
 

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Roomote your Roomba! Nice!
FYI, this iPhone App will not allow just anybody to control Roomba. U actually send commands to ur PC (I'm assuming must be Mac & commands could be via Internet/WIFI), then ur PC needs some bluetooth hardware to send RF signal to ur Rootooth which will be attached to Roomba. I know iPhone has bluetooth, but somehow that's how this App was written.

Just having Rootooth & an iPhone is not enough.
I remember reading got Android apps, but always same story, need Rootooth.

I do Roomba 530 scheduling using a DIY SCI dongle, cost price for dongle ~$3, USB-Serial cable ~$12. Can buy the iRobot Create SCI cable, but why buy when I can DIY.:D
 

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Suction power is important but its not everything. The design of the vacuum path, the main brush, side brushes and other factors should be taken into consideration. The iClebo has a relatively weak suction power as well but if u put your hand underneath the main cleaning brush and turn on the diagnostic mode, the suction is sufficient to pull your palm into it. Its stronger than even the strongest 18V cordless cleaner u can find in the market. The drawback of the iClebo is its poor navigation around obstacles and the layout of the cleaning brushes (and the brush design) which leads to areas left unclean and the tendency for hair to wrap around the main brush.


If u check out the foreign reviews which put Samsung, LG, iClebo (Philips Homerun) and Roomba into the test, u'll see that LG competes VERY well against the rest. Its the first bot that picks up the most debris in the first 5 mins. Whereas other smart bots will leave areas uncleaned due to obstacles, the LG handles the obstacles very well. I witnessed it during the first run today. One word: IMPRESSIVE! I'll comment more about it later as i would like to monitor the results after more runs. One other thing, the Roboking is VERY FAST! It finishes cleaning up my place in 40 mins, vs 60+ mins with my Neato XV11 and 60 mins with a Roomba. It did not miss a single spot and spared me the hassle of using magnetic tape/virtual walls to keep it out of certain areas (it could even see a Scooba battery on the floor and does not bump into it and it could detect a small cliff/drop). I didnt even need to close the doors to prevent it from dropping into my bathrooms.


I was not impressed with the use of cameras for navigation after having seen the Samsung Navibot at work (sadly even with the current generation there are still reports of similar issues). However, after seeing the LG Roboking (or Hombot) in action, i was proven wrong. Together with the front array of ultra sonic sensors, gyro sensor and accelerometer, IMO its even better than Neato's SLAM. It is able to detect obstacles as narrow as 1cm and it bumps into obstacles FAR less than the XV11. It does not pause to think like the XV11. In addition, i was impressed by the speed and efficiency which it finds the dock. The XV11 sometimes lost track of the exact location of its dock and it needs to search for it. The Roboking on the other hand does not pause to think, it flies off like a bat to its dock. It knows EXACTLY where the dock is located.


U should be able to get the LG Roboking for S$840+ (after paypal conversion), inclusive of shipping to Singapore.


Not sure about LG but the iClebo and Samsung is really a disappointment in suction power. iClebo has a very smart navigation though.

Check out the recent Straits Time DL review and iRobot is still the champ but LG and Neato was not in the picture.

How much is the damage includding shipping for it bro?
 
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On the contrary, the LG Roboking is not a new product in the market. The one i have is the 6th generation of the Roboking series. If u check out the Australian forums, u'll know that the Roboking is very popular, sold by Harvey Norman. The previous generation of the Roboking seems to be very reliable as i've not read of any major issues with it. I believe its been on the market for 2 years. As for the current 6th generation, it was released during the 1st quarter of last year if i recalled correctly. I have already checked with 2 owners who bought one back then and they are still using it till today with no issues. The only difference with the model that i just bought is the additional feature of a self diagnostic function.


To be honest, the language barrier isnt an issue since i've been given a soft copy of the English manual. Besides, everything is practically the same as the previous 5th generation Roboking where u can find the English manual as well.


I did not get the Roboking without doing my homework. After having to manually sweep the house for 3 weeks (right smack during CNY), i'm not about to get another product with unproven reliability. The VR100 was what i wanted to get but since i'm not convinced that its free from issues like the XV11, the Roboking is my next best alternative.



I applaud ur courage to buy a newly launched product direct from Korea & probably too new & language barrier to find self-help tech support.
But I also know u've tried many robots, probably >50% of brands out there.

I was just at a new Scooba customer's home 2 days ago, his house is big double storey. His marble floor has not been properly cleaned for 2 yrs, the wife did try her best to mop with hot water but Scooba dirty tank was still churning out murky water after ~5 runs in 5 days.

His LG Roboking just arrived few hrs before I went, he JUST printed out the English manual which was only available for a previous model. But close enough.

His damage ~$1000 inclusive direct global shipping. He was so Kiasu he bought ~10 spare HEPA filters, and maybe 4 replacement sidebrushes. I guess it's a "might as well" mentality.

I was very amazed that Roboking could clean under low lighting, it went into the kitchen which was dark. It also cleaned under couch. It was nite time so it was dark under couch. I know for a fact that the top camera looks at the ceiling, but in darkness, how can it see anything or map any lighting fixtures since none were illuminated.

The rear has a mini red lamp, I was speculating it to be UV disinfectant (like QQ2), but red is not UV. So I jokingly said maybe it's like Optical Mouse & scanning the floor, guess what... after searching Internet, it really is scanning the floor, a Giant Optical Mouse with 1Tb RAM??? :s31:

Roboking is also ridiculously silent, I put my hand at the rear & hardly feel any exhaust wind, unlike Roomba or Neato.
The bottom is a single brush with half & half profile (like 1st gen Roomba 500 red bristle brush), the vacuum duct is directly in line just like Neato's design.
Bin design is a detachable lunch box with a mini brush attached. U can put bread & spread Nutella using the mini brush.

Battery is Li-Po, the most ex rechargeable battery, but has the highest energy density. Commonly used for Aerial remote control hobby.

Roboking has selectable U-turn mode (like Neato), or Spatial mode where it breaks large area into smaller grids & U-turn grid by grid. U-turn is faster, so I don't know what's the benefit of Spatial.

Roboking goes over every area once, like Neato. So I can't say if cleaning will be thorough. But coverage will be thorough like Neato, even for very large area since it also has low batt self-resume feature.

Climbing kerbs is not a strength, I think is cos of the low bumper design.
Front is a mini swivel wheel, rear has 2 mini fixed-axis wheels (like Neato). I read review, someone says rear fixed wheel scratches floor during direction change, I believe the same goes for Neato, although I haven't seen any obvious marks on my parquet, unlike last time (late 2007) when I was using V-bot (early version with fixed-axis front wheel).

Frankly, after viewing Roboking at my customer's place, I'm tempted to get one. $1000 is major damage, but it is cool.
The only concern for me is always the ability to service, since it's a new product & not marketed outside Korea yet. The earlier version has been marketed in Europe & Australia.
When I took the plunge to buy Neato, it was a rush of blood & overwhelming curiosity. Same for Scooba 230, scully buy lemon. But techie needs new toys.
 
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Using water have another case.
Cause in the packaged is come with microfiber cloth.
Just is a option for u
So far I likely to used the dry cloth or water base or magic clean wet tissue for one room to be replace a new tissue.

Hmm, wondering if it is an accessory tank and can it fit into the original Mint. ;)
 

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Still cheaper than a Rainbow. :s22:

If wanna buy Rainbow and rather than buy Kacher to instead this, cheap & good.
Only without using water.
Curtain or wall than buy Dyson Multiply vacuum.
All using recharger battery.
 

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Dont need a step up/step down transformer as 220V works for Singapore as well. The AC cable uses a std european style 2 pin connector. U may find it a little difficult to force into a std 3 pin UK socket but it will fit into any 2 pin socket.


I will monitor and use it for more runs before writing a review. As for now, the LG Roboking is the best vacuum bot i've ever owned. Its a good example of how cleaning bots should be designed, to provide hassle free performance.



Cool bro, interested to know the damage and does it wk in 220v or need transformer? Waiting for yr review. :)
 

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When you first get Neato you were also complimenting it as so much better than roomba until problems pop up :D

However the LG does looks more promising and hope it does lives up to it's name. The only problem is support now.
 

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Yes, the XV11 is much better than a Roomba and i still stand by that when it comes to cleaning performance. The XV11 is let down only by its reliability issues. The LG on the other hand, is already in its 6th generation.



When you first get Neato you were also complimenting it as so much better than roomba until problems pop up :D

However the LG does looks more promising and hope it does lives up to it's name. The only problem is support now.
 

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On the contrary, the LG Roboking is not a new product in the market. The one i have is the 6th generation of the Roboking series. If u check out the Australian forums, u'll know that the Roboking is very popular, sold by Harvey Norman. The previous generation of the Roboking seems to be very reliable as i've not read of any major issues with it. I believe its been on the market for 2 years. As for the current 6th generation, it was released during the 1st quarter of last year if i recalled correctly. I have already checked with 2 owners who bought one back then and they are still using it till today with no issues. The only difference with the model that i just bought is the additional feature of a self diagnostic function.

To be honest, the language barrier isnt an issue since i've been given a soft copy of the English manual. Besides, everything is practically the same as the previous 5th generation Roboking where u can find the English manual as well.

I did not get the Roboking without doing my homework. After having to manually sweep the house for 3 weeks (right smack during CNY), i'm not about to get another product with unproven reliability. The VR100 was what i wanted to get but since i'm not convinced that its free from issues like the XV11, the Roboking is my next best alternative.
WiseOne, in my 1st sentence here: http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/63792241-post8828.html
When I wrote "I applaud ur courage to buy a newly launched product", it's by no means sarcasm.

I'm just amazed by all the regular forummers here who bought various brand robots overseas, effectively without any local tech support (Yes, Bakasa u amaze me no end!).
Many regulars here have used iRobot way before me, I only started using Roomba 400 series in Mar 2008.

I bought V-bot in Oct 2007, lasted me 5 mths & battery died. I even had to mod the front wheel as described here: http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/55066329-post8009.html
Another crazy mod I did for V-bot was actually same concept as Mint Plus. A bag of water, an aquarium air pump adjustable valve, drips water via air pump tube onto a modded Magiclean mop head with melamine sponge & microfibre paper, V-bot will drag this constantly moist attachment.
I also bought Advante Stingray steam mop, used 5 times didn't wanna use liao. Same goes for Step & Spin mop, forced myself to use maybe 5 times for small area, never once used it to mop anything larger than my bedroom.
Hence, I can GUARANTEE one thing, no one likes manual cleaning, which is why I've met so many customers who got Delphin or Rainbow, but are white elephants.

As I wrote "The only concern for me is always the ability to service" (in last para), it's a genuine concern since most new products will go thru many revisions to "smooth out the kinks". Just like Windows XP, Windows Vista, iPhone 4S, Nokia Symbian^3 OS.
When I first used robotic cleaners, I just wanted something to clean my floor other than myself. When the V-bot battery died, I spend a lot of effort to revive battery. Read a lot of battery forums, tried freezing the battery & finally bought my 1st computerised charger.
Same goes for Roomba 400 series, when it first exhibited "Circle Dance". Had to search forums for an answer.

So I've been thru the routine of "I want to buy it so badly -> Oh crap! Down again? -> I want to rectify it so badly"
 

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Addicting

I didn't know this kind of Robot can be addicting. There are people buy/test/change it when there are new model.......

Well...i do have another question here, are all the 'Robot' users here are mostly female ? I myself is a guy and have to do most of the household chores inlcuding sweeping and mopping the floor.

(Thought now i still yet to pruchase 1 to use..... Still shopping around for best price and wanted to hear more also.....)
 

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I didn't know this kind of Robot can be addicting. There are people buy/test/change it when there are new model.......

Well...i do have another question here, are all the 'Robot' users here are mostly female ? I myself is a guy and have to do most of the household chores inlcuding sweeping and mopping the floor.

(Thought now i still yet to pruchase 1 to use..... Still shopping around for best price and wanted to hear more also.....)
If we're ladies, we would be on Cosmetic forums or something. Yah, I'm MCP (Male Chauvinist Pig).
Lotsa guys I know have to do housework, me included.

So far I've met ~3 ladies from this forum who needed tech support, and a few ladies from HWZ but have never posted here. The rest are all "Chih Chum" guys who need to do housework.
 

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If u check out the foreign reviews which put Samsung, LG, iClebo (Philips Homerun) and Roomba into the test, u'll see that LG competes VERY well against the rest. Its the first bot that picks up the most debris in the first 5 mins. Whereas other smart bots will leave areas uncleaned due to obstacles, the LG handles the obstacles very well. I witnessed it during the first run today. One word: IMPRESSIVE! I'll comment more about it later as i would like to monitor the results after more runs. One other thing, the Roboking is VERY FAST! It finishes cleaning up my place in 40 mins, vs 60+ mins with my Neato XV11 and 60 mins with a Roomba. It did not miss a single spot and spared me the hassle of using magnetic tape/virtual walls to keep it out of certain areas (it could even see a Scooba battery on the floor and does not bump into it and it could detect a small cliff/drop). I didnt even need to close the doors to prevent it from dropping into my bathrooms.

The Lg Roboking Seems really good. Considering that it can finish cleaning your home is less time than even the Neato!! The Latest model Roboking Triple Eye (VR6180WMNC) even allows you to monitor it using your phone from outside. I am sure lots of Robotic Vacuum owners always question if the vacuum cleans every room. But the VR617XLVM models should do just as well. Hopefully and probably it would be more widely available and discounted with warranty support here soon. :)
 

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Infact 80-90% of my customers are also male :) The world has change, female no longer wants to stay home as a housewife or rather we are forced into dual income family.......
 
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