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Does anyone know if you fail the JLPT test , will you still receive your score report? I still haven't received my score report yet... :(

As long as you took the test, you should receive the score report regardless of pass or fail :)

Can someone recommend me study materials for N4? I used Unicom's "The prep course for JLPT" book (the green book) and liked it a lot, but unfortunately there are books for all levels except for N4, so I hope to find another book that's something like this one, mainly for studying grammar points.
 

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But I think I learn a lot from jlpt too. When I first took japanese , I really hated みんなのにほんご (Minna no nihongo) textbooks. The conversation in the book were so dry and boring . The language was too formal and the japanese I learned is not the real japanese people use.

This is the 1st time that i have heard such a thing throughout my 5 years teaching using this textbook. I think sometimes it depends on the teacher who's teaching it, whether they have experience a not. 失礼ですが、どこで初級日本語を勉強されましたでしょうか。

It was only when I entered the JLPT N2 prep class that I found learning fun. Although the learning curve was steep, I was learning useful grammars and reading compliacted texts which improved my Japanese tremendously. I can tell people confidently that I am learning real Japanese.

Haha... Yup. So anyone who is learning japanese, I would highly recommend you to take JLPT to N1 or N2 levels.
You would be surprised by how much you can improve when you start learning N2 and N1.

I would say what you learn in N4 and N5 provide you with the basics to understand what you need to know from N3 onwards.
 

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As long as you took the test, you should receive the score report regardless of pass or fail :)

Can someone recommend me study materials for N4? I used Unicom's "The prep course for JLPT" book (the green book) and liked it a lot, but unfortunately there are books for all levels except for N4, so I hope to find another book that's something like this one, mainly for studying grammar points.
They are planning to come out the book for N4 sometime mid or end of this year. If you can't really wait, i recommend you go for this book
 

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They are planning to come out the book for N4 sometime mid or end of this year. If you can't really wait, i recommend you go for this book

Thanks for the recommendation, I saw some sample pages on a website and it does look like what I'm looking for, so I might buy that instead of waiting for the Unicom book. Just wondering if the grammar points listed in that book is sufficient to cover N4?
 

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Thanks for the recommendation, I saw some sample pages on a website and it does look like what I'm looking for, so I might buy that instead of waiting for the Unicom book. Just wondering if the grammar points listed in that book is sufficient to cover N4?
Yes, it is. It was the old 完全マスター for the old JLPT 3 syllabus, they revise it to add in the English translation. =)
 

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This is the 1st time that i have heard such a thing throughout my 5 years teaching using this textbook. I think sometimes it depends on the teacher who's teaching it, whether they have experience a not. 失礼ですが、どこで初級日本語を勉強されましたでしょうか。



I would say what you learn in N4 and N5 provide you with the basics to understand what you need to know from N3 onwards.


I started learning Japanese myself (through Anime) . After which I took an intermediate course at NUS. The teachers at NUS are really experienced teachers who had taught in US , Korea etc. It is not that they are no good, but the textbook really bores me. Too many rigid exercises and forced conversation settings. I think there are people who will agree with me (but did not voice out to their teachers ) . I believe there are more engaging textbook out there but I am not sure why all jap language sch in Singapore subscribe to this series.

Yup... We need N4 and N5 to take higher level. But my point is I know of many people who stop at basic level (N4 level) . It is a pity because the real useful japanese starts at N3 onwards . Therefore I want to encourage
learners not to give up and at least earn a N2.

Yup...
 
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I started learning Japanese myself (through Anime) . After which I took an intermediate course at NUS. The teachers at NUS are really experienced teachers who had taught in US , Korea etc. It is not that they are no good, but the textbook really bores me. Too many rigid exercises and forced conversation settings. I think there are people who will agree with me (but did not voice out to their teachers ) . I believe there are more engaging textbook out there but I am not sure why all jap language sch in Singapore subscribe to this series.

Basically, one of the reasons why this textbook is used is because 95% of the Japanese schools in Japan are using this book as a textbook. If a student were to halfway decide to go to Japan to study, he/she will be able to continue from where he/she has left off. I guess this is something unknown to you.

The reason why there is what you called the rigid exercises and forced conversation settings is because these teachers probably did 100% what the teacher's guide tells them to do and did not change the way of how lessons are taught to suit the natural Japanese which Japanese speak. In my class, my students start learning 謙譲語 in chapter 1, where we just start to learn あいさつ。 You might ask "why so fast? ", but for me, i like to teach the real Japanese that is used in Japan, at the same time, i also like to emphasize to my students, that it's still very important to use 丁寧語 like ます・です with people that you don't know. It's a form of respect. Of course, i leave it to the students what kind of Japanese they wanna use in the future.

To be honest, throughout my 6 years experience with Japanese language books, i have seen some other books which are more engaging like Genki/Shin Bunka no Nihongo (MOELC uses it), but they do not present the topics in a systematic way, as compared to Minna no Nihongo. In fact, Minna no Nihongo was a product which took 3 years to design and plan. I know how lessons are conducted in NUS, so i can really see where you are coming from... Normal language classes in schools are taught differently from how NUS teach.

Like to point to this article which mention more about this, so that you can understand better where the schools are coming from.

This article tells the teachers to teach students to close the textbook and creates some conversations to help students to speak more real life Japanese. This is something i find not many teachers do in Singapore, which i guess your teachers in NUS did not do... :(

Yup... We need N4 and N5 to take higher level. But my point is I know of many people who stop at basic level (N4 level) . It is a pity because the real useful japanese starts at N3 onwards . Therefore I want to encourage
learners not to give up and at least earn a N2.

We don't need N4 and N5 certificates to take higher levels. Rather, we require the knowledge gained in what we learn in Beginner and Intermediate Japanese to help us understand the grammar presented in the Pre-advanced levels from N3 onwards. I personally do agree with what you said about grammar learned at the N2 level, that is more used in daily life.
Speaking from my 3 years of Japanese IT helpdesk background, i rarely use grammar from the N2 syllabus, except for grammars like ~かねます、 ~ながら、~として。The rest of the grammar which i use comes from beginner or intermediate Japanese.

No offence but i hope you learn more from the standpoint of how a teacher a.k.a myself sees this. 一緒にがんばりましょう。 :)
 

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Wow! That was fast! Yes, grammar reference book. Btw, is there an answer booklet for Minna-No-Nihongo 1 Kaite-Oboeru or where can I find the answers to check my work?
 

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Dear friends, i am conducting a free session on how the new JLPT system works in depth and how to score marks.. Not those tips that you hear very often by school teachers. To be honest, i would say not many school teachers don't know how the new system work. If you really wanna pass your JLPT, especially recommended for N1-N3 takers. This is for you.

Note: i will only conduct it once this year, if you miss it and fail your JLPT, don't regret.

Date: 4th March 2012 Sunday
Time: 12pm-3.30pm
Place: to be advised (somewhere in town)
Slots: 8
Deadline: 23rd Feb 12pm

PM me with your name, contact number, what level you are taking, facebook email address.

Thanks. =)
 

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Every year, this japanese language school IAY(in Hokkaido) advertises in JCS for their summer nihongo courses(Jun-Jul, Jul-Aug). Just wondering if anyone here's been there before?

I started learning Japanese myself (through Anime) . After which I took an intermediate course at NUS. The teachers at NUS are really experienced teachers who had taught in US , Korea etc. It is not that they are no good, but the textbook really bores me. Too many rigid exercises and forced conversation settings. I think there are people who will agree with me (but did not voice out to their teachers ) . I believe there are more engaging textbook out there but I am not sure why all jap language sch in Singapore subscribe to this series.

Yup... We need N4 and N5 to take higher level. But my point is I know of many people who stop at basic level (N4 level) . It is a pity because the real useful japanese starts at N3 onwards . Therefore I want to encourage
learners not to give up and at least earn a N2.

Yup...
Not all Japanese language schools use minna no nihongo. I believe Bunka has their own patented system and texts; JCS has their own texts as well(for lowest 2 levels there's this small white textbook, higher levels use textbooks from Shinjuku Nihongo Gakkou).

I think that language lessons for beginners have to be rigid and forced compared to higher levels; it is for the learner with no inkling to familiarise himself/herself with the language - the basic grammatical structure, the sounds & pronunciations, the rhythm of speech.
 
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Not all Japanese language schools use minna no nihongo. I believe Bunka has their own patented system and texts; JCS has their own texts as well(for lowest 2 levels there's this small white textbook, higher levels use textbooks from Shinjuku Nihongo Gakkou).

I think that language lessons for beginners have to be rigid and forced compared to higher levels; it is for the learner with no inkling to familiarise himself/herself with the language - the basic grammatical structure, the sounds & pronunciations, the rhythm of speech.

i am not sure if you know. JCS is in the process of changing their textbook. check the notice on the JCS notice board. (^_^)

Bunka has recently changed a bit of the structure of their syllabus too. They used to have 2 levels for Elementary, they have changed it to 3.

Btw, i am interested to know, do they teach how to pronounce the words in JCS beginner class?
 
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i am not sure if you know. JCS is in the process of changing their textbook. check the notice on the JCS notice board. (^_^)

Bunka has recently changed a bit of the structure of their syllabus too. They used to have 2 levels for Elementary, they have changed it to 3.

Btw, i am interested to know, do they teach how to pronounce the words in JCS beginner class?

Im from JCS, at intermediate level now.
In my elementary class, Mito sensei made us repeat almost every sentences and words (textbook, exercise sheet etc) in class.
In additonal, she will ask everyone 1 or 2 qns and give us 15mins to practice among classmates.

My current sensei (suimasen, I've forgotten her name) doesnt do that. She is quite all over the place and I am still trying hard to adapt to her style.
She doesnt write answers (to exercise sheets) on the board as she knows some will not do the homework and just copy blindly. We are expected to hand in the sheets for her to check our writing.

I hardly use/speak Japanese in my daily life; no one to practice with.
When I do try to speak, people made fun of me. So it kinda made me shuddup. :s27:
 
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i am not sure if you know. JCS is in the process of changing their textbook. check the notice on the JCS notice board. (^_^)

Bunka has recently changed a bit of the structure of their syllabus too. They used to have 2 levels for Elementary, they have changed it to 3.

Btw, i am interested to know, do they teach how to pronounce the words in JCS beginner class?

Yes, I know about the ongoing revision by JCS. :) But it probably would not happen for 1 or 2 years more. I think any implementation would be at earliest next year.


Im from JCS, at intermediate level now.
In my elementary class, Mito sensei made us repeat almost every sentences and words (textbook, exercise sheet etc) in class.
In additonal, she will ask everyone 1 or 2 qns and give us 15mins to practice among classmates.

My current sensei (suimasen, I've forgotten her name) doesnt do that. She is quite all over the place and I am still trying hard to adapt to her style.
She doesnt write answers (to exercise sheets) on the board as she knows some will not do the homework and just copy blindly. We are expected to hand in the sheets for her to check our writing.

I hardly use/speak Japanese in my daily life; no one to practice with.
When I do try to speak, people made fun of me. So it kinda made me shuddup. :s27:
JCS offers conversation classes as well, you can go for that :)
Most senseis will make the class repeat the sentences in the texts.
 
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Yes, I know about the ongoing revision by JCS. :) But it probably would not happen for 1 or 2 years more. I think any implementation would be at earliest next year.



JCS offers conversation classes as well, you can go for that :)
Most senseis will make the class repeat the sentences in the texts.
JCS offers conversation classes? for basic or higher level?
 

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Im from JCS, at intermediate level now.
In my elementary class, Mito sensei made us repeat almost every sentences and words (textbook, exercise sheet etc) in class.
In additonal, she will ask everyone 1 or 2 qns and give us 15mins to practice among classmates.

My current sensei (suimasen, I've forgotten her name) doesnt do that. She is quite all over the place and I am still trying hard to adapt to her style.
She doesnt write answers (to exercise sheets) on the board as she knows some will not do the homework and just copy blindly. We are expected to hand in the sheets for her to check our writing.

I hardly use/speak Japanese in my daily life; no one to practice with.
When I do try to speak, people made fun of me. So it kinda made me shuddup. :s27:
what i mean is something like this below... i guess none of the schools teach this... :p
Are you all taught how to pronounce the word correctly?

hatsuon.jpg
 
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