The Watch Thread - Part 5

[jase07]

Introducing the Swatch Sistem51

SISTEM51 is 100% Swiss made and features an exceptional 90 hour power reserve. Hermetically sealed within its case, the 3Hz movement delivers precise, long lasting, maintenance free performance.
Unprecedented technological innovation (17 pending patents) enabled the development, in less than 2 years, of a self winding mechanical movement with only 51 parts in five modules.

 

[izacizacizac]

Introducing the Swatch Sistem51

SISTEM51 is 100% Swiss made and features an exceptional 90 hour power reserve. Hermetically sealed within its case, the 3Hz movement delivers precise, long lasting, maintenance free performance.
Unprecedented technological innovation (17 pending patents) enabled the development, in less than 2 years, of a self winding mechanical movement with only 51 parts in five modules.

Any idea of DMG?

 

[yattokame]

Aiya.. No one participate in my quiz.. Sob sob..

Maybe too lame already.. Never mind, I give the answer..

Nautilus in Singlish equals naughtiness..
I feel it resemble yatto a lot as he is always so funny even tho he is an uncle.. Lol..!!! Always going. Is that a sexpensive timepiece etc..

Come here I slap you(r backside yummy)

Hahahaa.....

 

[exxondus]

Good morning everyone

This ish jin sui! Can pm me damage pls . Also interested. Btw, whats your wrist size? Can 6" wrist pull off this 44.25mm behemoth?

 

[All in a Day]

Aiya.. No one participate in my quiz.. Sob sob..

Maybe too lame already.. Never mind, I give the answer..

Nautilus in Singlish equals naughtiness..
I feel it resemble yatto a lot as he is always so funny even tho he is an uncle.. Lol..!!! Always going. Is that a sexpensive timepiece etc..

Eh u call yatto uncle?! don't think he very much older than u leh.. assuming your nick is indicative of your birth year.

 

[All in a Day]

sadly alot of these aspiring ppl are designers. They don't make movement, don't engineer case or straps etc.

imho I would give watchmaker alot more credit. I see true watchmaking process more engineering with a touch of design.

Expecting breakthrough movements from start-ups will be tough. IMHO People who are in it for the watchmaking/movement aren't likely to end up with a product (and much less a product that eventually makes it to the consumer). Differerent sort of skillset and temperament.. How many of the big watch names today are helmed by watchmakers or even have watchmakers being a major influence for the brand?

End of the day u really need an A-team beyond technical know-how, with necessary skillsets such as good strategy/positioning, to pull off a revolutionary watch from scratch, in this day and age.

 

[jase07]

Any idea of DMG?

150USD is what i heard

 

[Henabi]

Expecting breakthrough movements from start-ups will be tough. IMHO People who are in it for the watchmaking/movement aren't likely to end up with a product (and much less a product that eventually makes it to the consumer). Differerent sort of skillset and temperament.. How many of the big watch names today are helmed by watchmakers or even have watchmakers being a major influence for the brand?

End of the day u really need an A-team beyond technical know-how, with necessary skillsets such as good strategy/positioning, to pull off a revolutionary watch from scratch, in this day and age.

adding on...watches from a Time-Teller and evolved into a Fashion accessory. no longer just to tell Time/Date/Day/Month/Year.

if I wanna tell time, I can use my HP or ipod

so new watch companies or independent watch makers need to see watches as a "Toy", a "Fashion Accessory", or something "Fun & exciting". which is why microbrands like SevenFriday are able to craft out their own marketshare and have a small legion of followers.

 

[Paladium]

Design inspired by potholes of some royal ship....
Along with the bvlgari bvlgari watch.
What abt VC overseas...? Is it also by Gerald genta?

IWC Ingenieur
AP RO
PP Nautilus
Bvlgari Bvlgari
Omega Constellation

VC overseas is a common mistake, it was Jorg Hysek who had a hand in its design, not Gerald Genta.

 

[a562140]

sadly alot of these aspiring ppl are designers. They don't make movement, don't engineer case or straps etc.

imho I would give watchmaker alot more credit. I see true watchmaking process more engineering with a touch of design.

that's an interesting comment. how would you value the miyota, selita movements vs. the decorated or even COSC eta movements that are replicated throughout many high-priced brands and watches?

 

[a562140]

adding on...watches from a Time-Teller and evolved into a Fashion accessory. no longer just to tell Time/Date/Day/Month/Year.

if I wanna tell time, I can use my HP or ipod

so new watch companies or independent watch makers need to see watches as a "Toy", a "Fashion Accessory", or something "Fun & exciting". which is why microbrands like SevenFriday are able to craft out their own marketshare and have a small legion of followers.

yeah lets not kid ourselves, there's a lot of jewelry and artisitc appreciation when we talk about watches. if you really need a watch to tell time accurately, robust and fuss free - its not going to be fully mechanical, and likely not swiss!

 

[chickenbackside]

Waiting at the dentist's. Wisdom tooth extraction of my 2nd youngest...

 

[a562140]

Same designer, Gerald genta.

Funny how his own brand of watches didn't take off. Conversely its also odd to think that Patek and AP's signature designs were done by a competitor i.e. in some way outsourced

 

[izacizacizac]

150USD is what i heard

Ok thanks, would keep a look out.

 

[Henabi]

Come here I slap you(r backside yummy)

Hahahaa.....

hor hor hor.... you call yatto dai gor by the forbidden word KNOCK IT DOWN

 

[Elshan]

we have an aspiring local watchdesigner/watchmaker here on this forum too - show yourself please and enlighten us on the watchmaking process, and challenges...

I'm guessing you're referring to me haha!

Well as someone has mentioned earlier, watchmaker wouldn't really be an appropriate term for myself. I'll probably introduce myself as a microbrand owner or watch designer. Watchmakers would be a term reserved for those who build or design their own movements from ground up IMO. As a small brand this is almost impossible. Even larger swiss brands priced in the couple of thousands use stock ETA movements as well.

The challenges would more more on the case and dial design side. A lot of micros take the easy way out and use off the shelf parts which is why lots of small brands look the same.

Production is also a consideration as your design has to be within realistic limits. You're stuck with the same movement choices so not much could be done there. Certain design features like cutouts in my case proved tricky for normal manufacturing processes. By adding one cutout I added another 3 more manufacturing steps and also about 20% more in price!

Even the use of bronze also has its difficulties as its mechanical properties are different from steel. Tried stamping the cases but didn't work for my design so that caused a whole delay. Ended up having to use investment casting which is more expensive but gives finer detail.

Now I'm trying to design a 2-3000m diver using bronze but the commercially available pressure testers are rated to ard 1500m(and cost like 10k). So in the process of building my own now, rated to about 3500m. That's another challenge altogether!

 

[Denieru82]

Come here I slap you(r backside yummy)

Hahahaa.....

Wahahahaha..!!! This is the dai kor I would have thought.. your pp naughtiness suits u completely..

 

[Denieru82]

Eh u call yatto uncle?! don't think he very much older than u leh.. assuming your nick is indicative of your birth year.

He is in uncle age already ma.. Haha.. My nephew call me uncle and I younger than yatto, so he 100% u****.. OK la, dai kor (underwear) sounds better maybe..?

 

[Elshan]

Expecting breakthrough movements from start-ups will be tough. IMHO People who are in it for the watchmaking/movement aren't likely to end up with a product (and much less a product that eventually makes it to the consumer). Differerent sort of skillset and temperament.. How many of the big watch names today are helmed by watchmakers or even have watchmakers being a major influence for the brand?

End of the day u really need an A-team beyond technical know-how, with necessary skillsets such as good strategy/positioning, to pull off a revolutionary watch from scratch, in this day and age.

There's some new brands which come to mind like the Devon and ressence but there price range for those are 20-50k or even higher. If you're targeting a range of a couple hundred or even less than 5k, anything groundbreaking is very tough.

Even then, consumers might not bite at all. Azimuth is pretty unique with modified ETAs and a sub10k price but hasn't been getting much love from collectors.

 

[Denieru82]

hor hor hor.... you call yatto dai gor by the forbidden word KNOCK IT DOWN

Rt have punished me for him I guess.. lol..!!!