[ROTK] Wei, Wu, Shu

[Paull33lampard]

yes.

I just visited CHeng Du last month on holiday. They got many products on Shu generals' name. Such as Zhang Fei Beef, Guan Yu Beef, Toys on Zhuge Liang, ZHuge Liang fan, Liu Bei badge, and also i was at ZHuge Liang's temple.

Considering the Geographical location, it will be nearer for Wei to invade Wu or Shu 1st? 1 is surrounded by water and 1 by mountains.

 

[bonkbonk]

You mean Zhugeliang wants Guan Yu to be able to fight without any guilt towards Cao Cao in future?

Ya to zgl , it was more benefits than cons... But finishing caocao off would be a HUGE game changer.

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[upslorry]

Liu Bei has other sons as well? Why Ah Dou is the chosen one?

Ah DOu was his the first son, so by tradition was the crown prince.
Liu Bei had other sons, Liu Yong , Liu Li, and god son Liu Feng who was executed for hating Guan Yu and betraying him

 

[bonkbonk]

Would it be fair to say The Sun family is more loyal to Han dynasty?

Not really but uniting china earlier would have of course bring peace earlier.
Sun jiao n sun ce had the means n power to do so ... But they no life to do it.

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[Paull33lampard]

Anyone read Reverse SGZ?
Its even more pro-SHU.. Ma Chao is like everywhere sia.
Quite entertainment but IMO, not as good as the original SGYY.

SIC Will like to take a look. Is it a novel or just comic strips?

 

[Paull33lampard]

"死诸葛能走生仲达。”

How they tell pple just how damn good zgl was ...

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This is the Empty City Trick?

 

[upslorry]

Considering the Geographical location, it will be nearer for Wei to invade Wu or Shu 1st? 1 is surrounded by water and 1 by mountains.

Both are equally distant
I'd think Wei always wanted to attack SHu first because SHu is the weakest and plus the fact the Wei army are not used to war on water, that was the reason why during Battle of Chi Bi, Cao Cao locked his ships together in rows to maintain balance for the soldiers, and was defeated by ZHou Yu by fire arrows

So SHu would always be targeted first

 

[upslorry]

You mean Zhugeliang wants Guan Yu to be able to fight without any guilt towards Cao Cao in future?

actually it was Zhuge Liang's plan to let Cao Cao go, so he sent Guan Yu there to let him go. Because if Cao Cao died, Wei kingdom would cracked up into many pieces of different warlords and the strongest Sun Quan would first wipe out SHu then attack north. So to maintain the balance, Cao Cao had to live

 

[bonkbonk]

This is the Empty City Trick?

After he died, they managed to retreat without losing battles or ganna chased...

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[cryptocraft]

This is the Empty City Trick?

nt really.. according to sgyy its the fake wooden zgl on a chair push out on a smoky night that make smzd believe zgl dying was a ruse. u can attribute it to the empty city trick (if it even is real).

i guess kanna too much ambuscade from zgl until smzd sked. altho story is obviously made to glorify zgl

 

[cryptocraft]

Both are equally distant
I'd think Wei always wanted to attack SHu first because SHu is the weakest and plus the fact the Wei army are not used to war on water, that was the reason why during Battle of Chi Bi, Cao Cao locked his ships together in rows to maintain balance for the soldiers, and was defeated by ZHou Yu by fire arrows

So SHu would always be targeted first

according to the movie is gan ning throw grenade la ...

 

[Paull33lampard]

actually it was Zhuge Liang's plan to let Cao Cao go, so he sent Guan Yu there to let him go. Because if Cao Cao died, Wei kingdom would cracked up into many pieces of different warlords and the strongest Sun Quan would first wipe out SHu then attack north. So to maintain the balance, Cao Cao had to live

This is indeed very clever of Zhugeliang. Brings me back to the 3 parties equation. If the stronger Wei invades, Wu and Shu can join forces to repel. If Wu wants to try anything funny, it needs to think carefully that if Shu is gone, Wu will be next. Same goes for Shu. If they had remained like that, would it see a prolonged Han dynasty?

 

[upslorry]

The Empty City trick was by ZHuge Liang when he was alive, his army lost at Jie Ting because Ma Su made a mistake, Sima Yi advanced his army and wanted to attack the fortress. ZHuge Liang had no army, so he opened the doors and play music above, to challenge him to attack.

Sima Yi thought it was a trick and retreated.

 

[woodzero]

Zgl knew astrology and predicted that no matter what happened, cc won't die. Therefore he sent gy to the last station and gave him a chance to repay his debt. It was partly to let gy grow as a better commander.

 

[upslorry]

This is indeed very clever of Zhugeliang. Brings me back to the 3 parties equation. If the stronger Wei invades, Wu and Shu can join forces to repel. If Wu wants to try anything funny, it needs to think carefully that if Shu is gone, Wu will be next. Same goes for Shu. If they had remained like that, would it see a prolonged Han dynasty?

In the beginning even before the strongest three kingdom emerged, Han dynasty already dead. The name is there, the emperor still there, but in truth no more. Han had no power at that time, only the warlords using the emperor to gain people support.

 

[bonkbonk]

actually it was Zhuge Liang's plan to let Cao Cao go, so he sent Guan Yu there to let him go. Because if Cao Cao died, Wei kingdom would cracked up into many pieces of different warlords and the strongest Sun Quan would first wipe out SHu then attack north. So to maintain the balance, Cao Cao had to live

Sometimes think abt it, ya la 3 side draw game...

But if they tried to kill cao cao off.. given zgl n liu bei generals at prime, their capabilities should be able to complete the uniting of china...

Oh well the story had to be interesting... So all these r just for discussion n what ifs

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[galaxynote]

yes basically

Actlually shld return jingzhou to wu after liubei obtained yizhou

 

[woodzero]

The Empty City trick was by ZHuge Liang when he was alive, his army lost at Jie Ting because Ma Su made a mistake, Sima Yi advanced his army and wanted to attack the fortress. ZHuge Liang had no army, so he opened the doors and play music above, to challenge him to attack.

Sima Yi thought it was a trick and retreated.

Sima Yi did see through the empty city trick but decided to let zgl live. If zgl die at the point of time, sima Yi will be deemed as disposable and will be killed off by Wei. The sima clan did not have a strong support at that time.

It doesn't make sense not to send in any soldiers to check.

 

[galaxynote]

Sima Yi did see through the empty city trick but decided to let zgl live. If zgl die at the point of time, sima Yi will be deemed as disposable and will be killed off by Wei. The sima clan did not have a strong support at that time.

It doesn't make sense not to send in any soldiers to check.

Just send 100 tropps will do lor

 

[cryptocraft]

Just send 100 tropps will do lor

cannot just bombard him with arrows from below meh ... i think the whole fake story is to glorify zgl.