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Remless 19-09-2019 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xfool99 (Post 122839104)
what are the best heroes for thunder drag? The lightning hit so hard :(

Elwin is MVP, cos' he hits hard on the dragon and carries 2 skills with dispel. Otherwise its lewin.

Doing thunder dragon without someone to dispel his atk buff is suicidal. Buffed up aoe hits very hard.

Otherwise, use Pinky to debuff and pray that she does atk debuff, or a Bozel with Earthquake (though since earthquake has long cooldown, pray for Clock enchantment proc).




Found a video which someone soloed a lvl 55 dragon at lvl 51 without elwin.

Role:

Bernharte: faction buffer and dispeller (with domineering). Must have good defense.
Leon: Main dps. Decked out with bats (Means he already has the lvl 50 class upgrade)
Ledin: Main tank to cover Leon and Almeda (lvl 50 class upgrade with phalanx. I think Vargas can take over this role)
Almeda: debuffer and healer.
Liana: Healer

Main key is having 2 healers that can heal multi-units every turn. Liana's talent allows her to heal everyone at her side. Almeda heals closest unit while her talent allow her to heal Bernharte who is far away.

wheelloader 19-09-2019 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Remless (Post 122831527)
Lol. Bern quite useless vs dragons. Can be supporting dps but cannot be main dps. Crappy dmg.

He is too focused on fixed dmg and when bosses are immune to both stun and fixed dmg, he is useless.

Infantry Matthew and R Lewin might even outperform him. Not many people focused on Bern since he don't really have any advantage.

Don't really want to spend resources on Lewin just for thunder dragon :(
And pinky also not really built up

Looks like I will get stuck on thunder dragon progression for quite some time

Remless 19-09-2019 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelloader (Post 122842957)
Don't really want to spend resources on Lewin just for thunder dragon :(
And pinky also not really built up

Looks like I will get stuck on thunder dragon progression for quite some time

Don't worry. Me too. My thunder dragon progress is also lacking.

You can try the Bernhardt strategy in the video above.

There is one more healer that has the ability to heal multiple surrounding units that can take liana's place.

Imelda! Though she cannot make Leon hit twice a turn.

wheelloader 20-09-2019 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Remless (Post 122843318)
Don't worry. Me too. My thunder dragon progress is also lacking.

You can try the Bernhardt strategy in the video above.

There is one more healer that has the ability to heal multiple surrounding units that can take liana's place.

Imelda! Though she cannot make Leon hit twice a turn.

I have Liana and Tiaris.. But looks like pinky is quite important for applying debuffs.

Also in his video, any idea why the dragon did not use the aoe skill for most of the fight? Only keep blitz strike leon. Even pinky in the danger zone for the whole time also never kena whack once lol

Remless 20-09-2019 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by wheelloader (Post 122843481)
I have Liana and Tiaris.. But looks like pinky is quite important for applying debuffs.

Also in his video, any idea why the dragon did not use the aoe skill for most of the fight? Only keep blitz strike leon. Even pinky in the danger zone for the whole time also never kena whack once lol

That is the qn of some comments in that video. I cannot answer that also. Maybe the dragon decide to go easy on him? Lol.

By right bern, Leon and pinky are all in his aoe range, he should hit them with aoe even if the dragon is debuffed. This dragon never go easy for me....

Edit:
Ohh.... This guy answered our queries.

'AoE attack will never ever trigger unless there are two units within 3 tiles from the dragon. If they're 4 tiles from the dragon, it won't count. His Almeda, Ledin, and Leon were in the danger zone but they're 4 tiles away so his Bernhardt is actually the only one inside the required trigger zone. The dragon did AoE in turn 15 because he moved everyone within 3 tiles of the dragon, satisfying the AoE trigger requirement.'

wheelloader 20-09-2019 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Remless (Post 122843583)
That is the qn of some comments in that video. I cannot answer that also. Maybe the dragon decide to go easy on him? Lol.

By right bern, Leon and pinky are all in his aoe range, he should hit them with aoe even if the dragon is debuffed. This dragon never go easy for me....

Edit:
Ohh.... This guy answered our queries.

'AoE attack will never ever trigger unless there are two units within 3 tiles from the dragon. If they're 4 tiles from the dragon, it won't count. His Almeda, Ledin, and Leon were in the danger zone but they're 4 tiles away so his Bernhardt is actually the only one inside the required trigger zone. The dragon did AoE in turn 15 because he moved everyone within 3 tiles of the dragon, satisfying the AoE trigger requirement.'

Thanks. Interesting... Let me try that out tomorrow

wheelloader 21-09-2019 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Remless (Post 122843583)
That is the qn of some comments in that video. I cannot answer that also. Maybe the dragon decide to go easy on him? Lol.

By right bern, Leon and pinky are all in his aoe range, he should hit them with aoe even if the dragon is debuffed. This dragon never go easy for me....

Edit:
Ohh.... This guy answered our queries.

'AoE attack will never ever trigger unless there are two units within 3 tiles from the dragon. If they're 4 tiles from the dragon, it won't count. His Almeda, Ledin, and Leon were in the danger zone but they're 4 tiles away so his Bernhardt is actually the only one inside the required trigger zone. The dragon did AoE in turn 15 because he moved everyone within 3 tiles of the dragon, satisfying the AoE trigger requirement.'

Just tried same tactic as the video and it worked lol. It will just keep attacking leon instead of the others for some reason. Just use tank to take the hit

Tortoise79 21-09-2019 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by wheelloader (Post 122842957)
Don't really want to spend resources on Lewin just for thunder dragon :(
And pinky also not really built up

Looks like I will get stuck on thunder dragon progression for quite some time

Wah, you should build pinky. She is really very very very (can't stress enough) very good. She makes all your battle 50% easier. Multiply auto debuffs, unlimited range passive heal every turn, together with clock build tornado for aoe att break.. She is the one and only unit, I used every single battle without fail.

If your current SSR teams can do the battle at 100%, bring her can make your battle efficiency to 200%. Try her, you wouldn't regret. If you have sky archer for her, her op level goes to a next level. :o

SibehEng 21-09-2019 10:36 AM

I would like to ask about runestone changing path.

for eg my leon is currently on strike class and after master it i wan to use 1 runestone and change to royal knight. the stats gain from advancement in royal knight only stay when I am in royal knight class right?

so If i just want to stay in strike after i gotten the skills or soldier i need from royal knight. i can ignore the royal knight path 2nd class right so I wont need another runestone?

Remless 21-09-2019 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelloader (Post 122862370)
Just tried same tactic as the video and it worked lol. It will just keep attacking leon instead of the others for some reason. Just use tank to take the hit

Same here. Lvl 60 thunder dragon become easy peasy. I need to further power up ledin to tank lvl 65.

https://i.imgur.com/Eu32cpH_d.jpg?ma...idelity=medium

xfool99 21-09-2019 07:40 PM

damn, gonna build Kirikaze after watching this, I have him at 4 stars never use


btw whats that discharge skill?

clon33 21-09-2019 07:48 PM

Can check with people here on 2 things.

1)
In Arena, my Hein attacked enemy Elwin and died from Thorns enchanment. How is this possible? Does Thorns return MDamage from 2 range?

Turn 1: enemy Elwin cast faction buff. Tiaris cast attack buff on him. Freya cast guard and stand beside him.

Turn 2: my Hein cast fireball spell on enemy Elwin from 2 range. Both Hein and Elwin were at full health. Before battle it showed Thorns enchanment activated. Freya did not guard.

2)
In Summer Swimsuit Festival, when the level 40 lobster behemoth attack in water my Ledin never even counter attack. How is this possible?

Once the lobster behemoth goes away from water and on to the sand, then my units can counter attack. I checked it doesnt seem to be ability of lobster behemoth soldiers.

Remless 21-09-2019 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by xfool99 (Post 122870934)
damn, gonna build Kirikaze after watching this, I have him at 4 stars never use


btw whats that discharge skill?

Nice fight. Its a 6* crit kirikaze. Not sure if its hard to build him to crit every turn.
(crit is needed to trigger his passive so that he can use 'Roar' every turn and heal himself). Essentially, Kirikaze become very similar with Elwin if he is crit built.

Regarding the 'Discharge', its a new skill that only Lvl 70 thunder dragon has.

'Besides the usual unpredictable Blitz/AOE turns, Thunder70 gives a lightning discharge debuff on 2 random units that are within its 2 tile range. This lightning discharge debuff is an AOE that triggers at the end of our unit's turn and hits only friendly units. It has a range of 1 circle, kind of like Bernhardt's Sword Dance.

Thus great care is needed to ensure that the DPS/Tank units don't cross hit each other with their discharges. Since it is based of the unit's own ATK, if a healer or mage gets debuffed by it, the damage of the aoe is negligible.

The discharge also happens after all end of turn heals are done, hence it will break troop and equipment effects that rely on 100% hp in order to activate.'

Essentially, it is a lvl 70 thunder dragon's gimmick that make kirikaze hit every friendly unit around him at every turn end. That's why his other units cannot get close.

Remless 21-09-2019 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by clon33 (Post 122871055)
Can check with people here on 2 things.

1)
In Arena, my Hein attacked enemy Elwin and died from Thorns enchanment. How is this possible? Does Thorns return MDamage from 2 range?

Turn 1: enemy Elwin cast faction buff. Tiaris cast attack buff on him. Freya cast guard and stand beside him.

Turn 2: my Hein cast fireball spell on enemy Elwin from 2 range. Both Hein and Elwin were at full health. Before battle it showed Thorns enchanment activated. Freya did not guard.

2)
In Summer Swimsuit Festival, when the level 40 lobster behemoth attack in water my Ledin never even counter attack. How is this possible?

Once the lobster behemoth goes away from water and on to the sand, then my units can counter attack. I checked it doesnt seem to be ability of lobster behemoth soldiers.


1) Thorns return dmg irregardless of type and range. Even if my Luna with ullr's bow attack from 3 square range, she also get hit by thorns, if its triggered (30% chance).

Addon: Reading closely the actions u stated.
a) enemy Elwin cast faction buff - Nothing really matters.
b) Tiaris cast attack buff on him - Also nothing. Do note that this is a common mistake by people who don't know anything abt Tiaris and her 'Attack Blessing'. Attack Blessing only activates when the unit is attacking. It has no effect when the unit is being attacked. I always lol at people in joint battle who use a unit to attack first, then use Tiaris to cast attack blessing on the unit.
c) Freya cast guard - Note that Freya is a physical guard. She cannot guard against single target magic attacks.

That means the thorns effect is coming from Elwin. Not a common choice of enchantment for him.



2) Not too sure abt that. Maybe its an event stage gimmick.

clon33 21-09-2019 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Remless (Post 122871386)
1) Thorns return dmg irregardless of type and range. Even if my Luna with ullr's bow attack from 3 square range, she also get hit by thorns, if its triggered (30% chance).

Addon: Reading closely the actions u stated.
a) enemy Elwin cast faction buff - Nothing really matters.
b) Tiaris cast attack buff on him - Also nothing. Do note that this is a common mistake by people who don't know anything abt Tiaris and her 'Attack Blessing'. Attack Blessing only activates when the unit is attacking. It has no effect when the unit is being attacked. I always lol at people in joint battle who use a unit to attack first, then use Tiaris to cast attack blessing on the unit.
c) Freya cast guard - Note that Freya is a physical guard. She cannot guard against single target magic attacks.

That means the thorns effect is coming from Elwin. Not a common choice of enchantment for him.



2) Not too sure abt that. Maybe its an event stage gimmick.

Thanks for the explanation.

Think I have dog s**t luck. My Grenier also have Thorns enchanment, but he always die from mage attacks. Never once see Thorns activate to reflect range damage. Let alone 1HKO. Lol :s13:


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