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Old 28-03-2019, 06:52 PM   #1456
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687 atk after buffs and merely using low lvl equips.

Given more time, u guys will understand why she is one of the most wanted ssr and why she rank high on polls.
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Old 28-03-2019, 07:01 PM   #1457
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687 atk after buffs and merely using low lvl equips.

Given more time, u guys will understand why she is one of the most wanted ssr and why she rank high on polls.
Thanks for sharing. My gears are no good. Only managed to get the helmet and just got the Armour.

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Old 28-03-2019, 07:03 PM   #1458
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Thanks for sharing. My gears are no good. Only managed to get the helmet.

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Np.

I think the biggest problem with Luna is she is very very picky on gears and only certain gears work well for her.
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Old 28-03-2019, 08:10 PM   #1459
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Wah some1 got liana Liao gxgx
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Old 28-03-2019, 08:26 PM   #1460
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Gratz.

I am more looking forward to the next banner (Bernhardt, Altemuller and Bozel). Hopefully can get one more step to complete my 全家福.

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Old 28-03-2019, 10:36 PM   #1461
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687 atk after buffs and merely using low lvl equips.

Given more time, u guys will understand why she is one of the most wanted ssr and why she rank high on polls.
Btw why are you using Meteor enchant on her?
Wont you get higher MDef and Atk with 2+2 blue enchant (ice, hard rock, crystal)?

Also equip level doesn't add that much MDef. Veil of Light lvl 50 has flat 48 MDef. You need to roll good enchant for her equip to reach high MDef.
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Old 28-03-2019, 10:45 PM   #1462
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Saw on youtube basically the top 8 PVE units are

Leon , ledin , elwin , luna , lana , bozel and the two SSR healers.

Cherie cries in one corner

So basically if u have these 8 units then majority of PVE content should be no problem if u gear them up properly.
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Old 28-03-2019, 11:31 PM   #1463
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Btw why are you using Meteor enchant on her?
Wont you get higher MDef and Atk with 2+2 blue enchant (ice, hard rock, crystal)?

Also equip level doesn't add that much MDef. Veil of Light lvl 50 has flat 48 MDef. You need to roll good enchant for her equip to reach high MDef.
2+2 works also, but currently she is sharing equip with zerida, and zerida is using meteor.

Oak set adds high mdef from its attached skill, even more than ssr. Maybe u would want to check that out.

Equip level 20 for veil of light = 21 mdef. Lvl 50 = 48 mdef. Not sure what u meant by 'equip level does not add that much mdef' and 'flat mdef 48'. The higher equip level, the higher % mdef from the equipment skill also.

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Old 28-03-2019, 11:40 PM   #1464
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Saw on youtube basically the top 8 PVE units are

Leon , ledin , elwin , luna , lana , bozel and the two SSR healers.

Cherie cries in one corner

So basically if u have these 8 units then majority of PVE content should be no problem if u gear them up properly.
Not sure whether this is accurate. Vargas > Ledin in pvp. He is an ultra pain and nuisance in arena.

And cherie I agree... sad truth. She is still useful in clearing greatly weakened units from aoe blasts.

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Old 29-03-2019, 12:00 AM   #1465
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Old 29-03-2019, 12:05 AM   #1466
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Btw anyone know whats the mats needed to upgrade final mastery for Ledin King ?

Templar is seal judgment and glory and saint, overlord scroll.

Anyone knows the king one ?
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Old 29-03-2019, 02:05 AM   #1467
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2+2 works also, but currently she is sharing equip with zerida, and zerida is using meteor.

Oak set adds high mdef from its attached skill, even more than ssr. Maybe u would want to check that out.

Equip level 20 for veil of light = 21 mdef. Lvl 50 = 48 mdef. Not sure what u meant by 'equip level does not add that much mdef' and 'flat mdef 48'. The higher equip level, the higher % mdef from the equipment skill also.
I know about Oak Sets effect. Yours is already at lvl 40, which is 12% each. The additional 10 level will add 3% for each piece and less than 10 flat for the hat.

27 MDef is additional 41 MDef in battle or 61.5 Atk max. To reach 1k atk on Luna you need much more than that, hence why I said Luna needs good enchant. Normal DPS unit needs to roll good enchant mainly on weapon and accessory. Luna needs good roll on armor, hat and accessory.
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Old 29-03-2019, 06:58 AM   #1468
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I know about Oak Sets effect. Yours is already at lvl 40, which is 12% each. The additional 10 level will add 3% for each piece and less than 10 flat for the hat.

27 MDef is additional 41 MDef in battle or 61.5 Atk max. To reach 1k atk on Luna you need much more than that, hence why I said Luna needs good enchant. Normal DPS unit needs to roll good enchant mainly on weapon and accessory. Luna needs good roll on armor, hat and accessory.
In all my posts, I've never said good enchants are not important, but I don't place particular emphasis on good enchants because other physical dps also need good enchants to hit 1k. Conditions are all the same, but Luna has an easier time.

And I am not sure why u said 'normal dps need to roll good enchant mainly on wep and accessory. Luna needs good roll on armor, hat and accessory.' Stat increase for enchants can happen at any equipment piece.

Let me explain why. Calculations time!

Physical dps like Cherie:

118 atk (SSR axes like peacemaker give the highest base attack.)
+ 75 atk (Attack enhancement SSR accessories like winged shineguards)
x 1.18 (Max * axe+ accessories = 18% atk bonus)
= 227.74 atk

Many physical dps do not have passives that directly adds attack (altemuller is one exception that I can think of), but their passive mainly add damage. Luna's passive adds mdef directly.

Bow Luna:

Oak armor do not give base mdef
38 mdef (Oak hat)
48 mdef (Veil of light)
x 1.38 (Max * oak set and veil of light gives 38% mdef bonus)
x 1.5 (Wind spiral bonus)
x 1.13 (13% mdef passive from 4* Luna)
x 1.1 (Faction buff mdef bonus at 10%. I'll explain why later)
= 221.27 atk

All faction buff gives 20% to all stats except mdef, which is at 30%. This gives 10% extra mdef advantage to mdef based attacker like Luna.

As you can see, Bow Luna comes very close to physical attackers with the best wep. And she don't even need an ssr wep to hit this.

Flyer Luna is even more extreme:

Oak armor do not give base mdef
38 mdef (Oak hat)
48 mdef (Veil of light)
x 1.38 (Max * oak set and veil of light gives 38% mdef bonus)
x 1.5 (Wind spiral bonus)
x 1.13 (13% mdef passive from 4* Luna)
x 1.1 (Faction buff mdef bonus at 10%.)
x 1.15 (BIS spear - Cursed spear for flyer Luna. Adds 15% mdef at max *. SR Barrier spear also adds mdef)
= 254.47 atk

All chars need good enchantments to hit 1k attack, not just Luna. These calculations are made with all things being equal, and Luna enjoy exclusive bonuses due to her being a mdef based attacker.

Of course, other things like char base stats, bonds, etc needs to be taken in consideration but let's not dig deeper. Remember every mdef point/% Luna gets from other sources are multiplied by her 1.5 windspiral bonus and 10% extra mdef faction buff.

I am not saying Luna > other dps. But in terms of driving atk stats, Luna is easier.
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Old 29-03-2019, 08:02 AM   #1469
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In all my posts, I've never said good enchants are not important, but I don't place particular emphasis on good enchants because other physical dps also need good enchants to hit 1k. Conditions are all the same, but Luna has an easier time.

And I am not sure why u said 'normal dps need to roll good enchant mainly on wep and accessory. Luna needs good roll on armor, hat and accessory.' Stat increase for enchants can happen at any equipment piece.

Let me explain why. Calculations time!

Physical dps like Cherie:

118 atk (SSR axes like peacemaker give the highest base attack.)
+ 75 atk (Attack enhancement SSR accessories like winged shineguards)
x 1.18 (Max * axe+ accessories = 18% atk bonus)
= 227.74 atk

Many physical dps do not have passives that directly adds attack (altemuller is one exception that I can think of), but their passive mainly add damage. Luna's passive adds mdef directly.

Bow Luna:

Oak armor do not give base mdef
38 mdef (Oak hat)
48 mdef (Veil of light)
x 1.38 (Max * oak set and veil of light gives 38% mdef bonus)
x 1.5 (Wind spiral bonus)
x 1.13 (13% mdef passive from 4* Luna)
x 1.1 (Faction buff mdef bonus at 10%. I'll explain why later)
= 221.27 atk

All faction buff gives 20% to all stats except mdef, which is at 30%. This gives 10% extra mdef advantage to mdef based attacker like Luna.

As you can see, Bow Luna comes very close to physical attackers with the best wep. And she don't even need an ssr wep to hit this.

Flyer Luna is even more extreme:

Oak armor do not give base mdef
38 mdef (Oak hat)
48 mdef (Veil of light)
x 1.38 (Max * oak set and veil of light gives 38% mdef bonus)
x 1.5 (Wind spiral bonus)
x 1.13 (13% mdef passive from 4* Luna)
x 1.1 (Faction buff mdef bonus at 10%.)
x 1.15 (BIS spear - Cursed spear for flyer Luna. Adds 15% mdef at max *. SR Barrier spear also adds mdef)
= 254.47 atk

All chars need good enchantments to hit 1k attack, not just Luna. These calculations are made with all things being equal, and Luna enjoy exclusive bonuses due to her being a mdef based attacker.

Of course, other things like char base stats, bonds, etc needs to be taken in consideration but let's not dig deeper. Remember every mdef point/% Luna gets from other sources are multiplied by her 1.5 windspiral bonus and 10% extra mdef faction buff.

I am not saying Luna > other dps. But in terms of driving atk stats, Luna is easier.
Because enchant cap on each equipment is different, that's why different equip has different enchant priority.
Atk cap at 15%/30 flat for weapon, while it's only 5% on armor/helmet.
Vice versa MDef cap at 15%/30 for armor and helmet, while it's only 5% for weapon.
Accessory everything cap at 10%.

Also your calculation is wrong. The MDef from equip bonus, Luna's talent and faction buffs are all additive and not multiplicative.
For Luna's case it's pretty much 86 * (1 + 0.38 Equip Bonus + 0.13 Talent + 0.3 FB) * 1.5 Wind Spiral = 233.49
However since your Luna already has lvl 40 Oak Hat, the incremental stats to your current Atk is "only" 27 from VoL and around 10 from Oak Hat.
37 * (1 +0.38 + 0.13 + 0.3) * 1.5 = 100.46
Your current Atk stats is around 670-680. This is why I said you need much more than upgrade gear level to reach 1k.

My point is that it's not that easy to hit 1k with Luna. It's definitely easier to gear Luna as your 2nd DPS, but your 1st DPS gets Last Knight and Winged Shin Guard, 2 of the better DPS gears. It's much easier to hit 1k with your 1st "normal" DPS especially Cherie and Leon.
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Old 29-03-2019, 08:36 AM   #1470
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Because enchant cap on each equipment is different, that's why different equip has different enchant priority.
Atk cap at 15%/30 flat for weapon, while it's only 5% on armor/helmet.
Vice versa MDef cap at 15%/30 for armor and helmet, while it's only 5% for weapon.
Accessory everything cap at 10%.

Also your calculation is wrong. The MDef from equip bonus, Luna's talent and faction buffs are all additive and not multiplicative.
For Luna's case it's pretty much 86 * (1 + 0.38 Equip Bonus + 0.13 Talent + 0.3 FB) * 1.5 Wind Spiral = 233.49
However since your Luna already has lvl 40 Oak Hat, the incremental stats to your current Atk is "only" 27 from VoL and around 10 from Oak Hat.
37 * (1 +0.38 + 0.13 + 0.3) * 1.5 = 100.46
Your current Atk stats is around 670-680. This is why I said you need much more than upgrade gear level to reach 1k.

My point is that it's not that easy to hit 1k with Luna. It's definitely easier to gear Luna as your 2nd DPS, but your 1st DPS gets Last Knight and Winged Shin Guard, 2 of the better DPS gears. It's much easier to hit 1k with your 1st "normal" DPS especially Cherie and Leon.
Thanks for the enlightenment. I assumed this game is simple that every thing multiplies. Lol. So only wind spiral is multiplicative.

Btw, I never said all I need is to upgrade gears lvl to hit 1k atk, did I?

My Luna is still far away from mastering any of the final classes and is lower
priority than my cherie and leon, who both have not hit 1k atk post buff yet. I said to enhance them meaning upgrading lvls and work on the enchantment when I can afford Luna to have her own gears and not having to share with others. Probably u got mistaken there.

I won't even consider giving her last knight and wing shinguards to her since they do nothing for her. The moment she do wind spiral, all the atk bonuses from these 2 equips are replaced.

And the enchant caps. Since Luna has 2 chances to get high mdef % combined on both armor and hat, isn't it easier than trying to reroll a single high atk stat on just wep for usual dps?

Pardon me, cos' I see many high atk flyer Luna in the game already, some even rivalling Leon. Though they are like kamikaze planes. Kill enemy and kill themselves at the same time w/o high phy def stats.

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