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Old 29-03-2019, 08:37 AM   #1471
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2+2 works also, but currently she is sharing equip with zerida, and zerida is using meteor.

Oak set adds high mdef from its attached skill, even more than ssr. Maybe u would want to check that out.

Equip level 20 for veil of light = 21 mdef. Lvl 50 = 48 mdef. Not sure what u meant by 'equip level does not add that much mdef' and 'flat mdef 48'. The higher equip level, the higher % mdef from the equipment skill also.
When u said oak set. That is only the Armour + helmet only? Or there are more?

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Old 29-03-2019, 08:46 AM   #1472
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When u said oak set. That is only the Armour + helmet only? Or there are more?

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Those 2 only. No more.

Accessories I will recommend greaves for SR, if you don't have good ssr mdef accessories.
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Old 29-03-2019, 09:02 AM   #1473
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Thanks for the enlightenment. I assumed this game is simple that every thing multiplies. Lol. So only wind spiral is multiplicative.

Btw, I never said all I need is to upgrade gears= lvl to hit 1k atk, did I?

My Luna is still far away from mastering any of the final classes and is lower
priority than my cherie and leon, who both have not hit 1k atk post buff yet. I said to enhance them meaning upgrading lvls and work on the enchantment when I can afford Luna to have her own gears and not having to share with others. Probably u got mistaken there.

I won't even consider giving her last knight and wing shinguards to her since they do nothing for her. The moment she do wind spiral, all the atk bonuses from these 2 equips are replaced.

And the enchant caps. Since Luna has 2 chances to get high mdef % combined on both armor and hat, isn't it easier than trying to reroll a single atk stat on just wep for usual dps?

Pardon me, cos' I see many high atk flyer Luna in the game already, some even rivalling Leon. Though they are like kamikaze planes. Kill enemy and kill themselves at the same time w/o high phy def stats.
It's true you get more chance to roll high for both armor and hat, but the problem is you need SSR enchant to hit higher cap, and DPS just need to get lucky twice. Luna needs it 3 times. While the percentage total is higher for MDef, Atk tends to have much higher base, even for Luna herself, so even 1 lucky roll for Atk can push you higher.

Currently at lvl 56, My Cherie in-battle Atk stats is at 1020, while Luna is at 990. Luna is also my 2nd most invested hero, bond power wise. It's definitely easier to hit 1k with Cherie, especially because
1.) She has much higher base Atk stats than Luna's MDef stats. Mine is 412 vs 223.
2.) Full Moon gives Cherie 15% Atk, compared to 2+2 from Luna is 10%. While Wind Spiral multiply it by 1.5, the increment to atk stats is still 10% since you use Wind Spiral all the time
3.) Like I mentioned Cherie gets free Last Knight and Winged Shin Guard, and those are all pretty much what she needs. Luna needs to get lucky Veil of Light, Oak Armor and Assault Hat for max MDef.

Those Luna who kamikaze definitely doesn't know how to play her. She is more like a kiter. Hit hard and run back. If you use flier Luna, you can consider using Holy Pegasus + Atk buffs then retreat to your tank with Move Again.

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Old 29-03-2019, 09:21 AM   #1474
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Any expert in alchemy? Is there anything, weapons, armors etc that I should not vaporized? My resources are so low, I am considering to recycle whatever I can recover.

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Old 29-03-2019, 09:21 AM   #1475
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It's true you get more chance to roll high for both armor and hat, but the problem is you need SSR enchant to hit higher cap, and DPS just need to get lucky twice. Luna needs it 3 times. While the percentage total is higher for MDef, Atk tends to have much higher base, even for Luna herself, so even 1 lucky roll for Atk can push you higher.

Currently at lvl 56, My Cherie in-battle Atk stats is at 1020, while Luna is at 990. Luna is also my 2nd most invested hero, bond power wise. It's definitely easier to hit 1k with Cherie, especially because
1.) She has much higher base Atk stats than Luna's MDef stats. Mine is 412 vs 223.
2.) Full Moon gives Cherie 15% Atk, compared to 2+2 from Luna is 10%. While Wind Spiral multiply it by 1.5, the increment to atk stats is still 10% since you use Wind Spiral all the time
3.) Like I mentioned Cherie gets free Last Knight and Winged Shin Guard, and those are all pretty much what she needs. Luna needs to get lucky Veil of Light, Oak Armor and Assault Hat for max MDef.

Those Luna who kamikaze definitely doesn't know how to play her. She is more like a kiter. Hit hard and run back. If you use flier Luna, you can consider using Holy Pegasus + Atk buffs then retreat to your tank with Move Again.
Compared to cherie of course. She has everything required on the start of the game loh. She is my first priority also. Though I don't use fullmoon. I used breeze for better mobility.

That's why I don't get when did I give the impression that all my Luna needs is to upgrade gears to hit 1k?

Btw, I do have 2x assault hat. Though I don't know when I will be able to upgrade them to max star compared to oak hat since its so hard to upgrade ssr stuff. My other chars have higher priorities.

I don't use flier Luna also even though she can hit higher atk.
1) She cannot use angels and bats. Its like a tight slap on her usability in melee.
2) She has low phy defense that suffers as a melee char. Need high defensive enchantments.
3) She cannot sustain her high attack. Oak set bonus is conditional that hp must be above 80%. Once in melee, she gets hit and will lose her attack bonuses. I don't really fancy the idea of attacking and going back to healer next turn to get back her attack bonus.

I am sticking her as a bow master. With my ssr bow with +1 range, she is much better to use.
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Old 29-03-2019, 09:30 AM   #1476
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Any expert in alchemy? Is there anything, weapons, armors etc that I should not vaporized? My resources are so low, I am considering to recycle whatever I can recover.

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SR or SSR? SR shouldn't have an issue. I think u know which SR are more rare than others, like the oak set.

SSR I kept everything just in case. Dupes I can upgrade directly without using the epic mat. Ultimately I hope every char to have their own gears and don't have to share.
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Old 29-03-2019, 10:00 AM   #1477
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Compared to cherie of course. She has everything required on the start of the game loh. She is my first priority also. Though I don't use fullmoon. I used breeze for better mobility.

That's why I don't get when did I give the impression that all my Luna needs is to upgrade gears to hit 1k?

Btw, I do have 2x assault hat. Though I don't know when I will be able to upgrade them to max star compared to oak hat since its so hard to upgrade ssr stuff. My other chars have higher priorities.

I don't use flier Luna also even though she can hit higher atk.
1) She cannot use angels and bats. Its like a tight slap on her usability in melee.
2) She has low phy defense that suffers as a melee char. Need high defensive enchantments.
3) She cannot sustain her high attack. Oak set bonus is conditional that hp must be above 80%. Once in melee, she gets hit and will lose her attack bonuses. I don't really fancy the idea of attacking and going back to healer next turn to get back her attack bonus.

I am sticking her as a bow master. With my ssr bow with +1 range, she is much better to use.
Nah, I just read you mention it's easier to hit higher Atk with Luna, which is not very true. Cherie and Leon are much easier to get to high atk stats. Luna is easier to gear as 2nd or 3rd DPS because she is not using the same gear.

Flier is viable lategame with Holy Pegasus. Holy Pegasus lvl 10 give 50% damage reduction when attacking. Combined with Atk buff 50% damage reduction, you're taking 1 hp counter damage while hitting hard. Flier Luna has much higher base MDef, around 30 I think. You can also boost it via enchant (max 45%) multiplicative to 96% extra from FB, Talent and equip bonus, and multiply by 30% damage modifier from Meteor Enchant and Move Again. If you want damage definitely go Flier Luna.
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Old 29-03-2019, 10:01 AM   #1478
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Old 29-03-2019, 10:02 AM   #1479
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single roll works wonder for me, 30 gold voucher+880 crystals, got 3 ssr (1 liana and 2 angelina) and 2-3 sr.
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Old 29-03-2019, 10:20 AM   #1480
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Nah, I just read you mention it's easier to hit higher Atk with Luna, which is not very true. Cherie and Leon are much easier to get to high atk stats. Luna is easier to gear as 2nd or 3rd DPS because she is not using the same gear.

Flier is viable lategame with Holy Pegasus. Holy Pegasus lvl 10 give 50% damage reduction when attacking. Combined with Atk buff 50% damage reduction, you're taking 1 hp counter damage while hitting hard. Flier Luna has much higher base MDef, around 30 I think. You can also boost it via enchant (max 45%) multiplicative to 96% extra from FB, Talent and equip bonus, and multiply by 30% damage modifier from Meteor Enchant and Move Again. If you want damage definitely go Flier Luna.
Please quote the sentence where I said its easier to hit 'higher' atk with Luna compared to cherie or leon. I did not mention that.

Yep, part of the reasoning why Luna is easy to gear to high attack is because her gears don't overlap with the main staple dps. And her bonuses to mdef make it easy. I did not say its easier than cherie or otherwise. I only state it come close and she don't need extremely good enchantments to hit that.

(And seriously, when did I ever say that I want to make a main dps out of Luna)

Viable maybe but practical no. In such a resource constraint game, Luna is the only one using pegasus (Narm can use angels) and I won't even consider pouring resources to lvl it, unless I already max out bats and angels.

I want damage, I go for Leon or Cherie. Luna I want her ranged dmg and able to attack unscathed.

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Old 29-03-2019, 10:28 AM   #1481
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Please quote the sentence where I said its easier to hit 'higher' atk with Luna compared to cherie or leon. I did not mention that.

Yep, part of the reasoning why Luna is easy to gear to high attack is because her gears don't overlap with the main staple dps. And her bonuses to mdef make it easy. I did not say its easier than cherie or otherwise. I only state it come close and she don't need extremely good enchantments to hit that.

Viable maybe but practical no. In such a resource constraint game, Luna is the only one using pegasus (Narm can use angels) and I won't even consider pouring resources to lvl it, unless I already max out bats and angels.

I want damage, I go for Leon or Cherie. Luna I want her ranged dmg and able to attack unscathed.
Well my main point is it's not that easy to gear Luna to high attack. You actually need to invest a lot.
Here's your post:

For me, no regrets getting her. After I am done enhancing Lana, she's next.

Saw too many Luna hitting 900-1k atk already after her buff. (And its easy to hit 1k attack for Luna since armors do increase mdef significantly)

The more we approach endgame, the more powerful she is.
I forgot to add that armor doesn't increase MDef. Maybe you meant hat/helmet. But anyway we are just arguing in circle here. And lategame Flier Luna's damage >>>> Cherie's damage. She has higher attack stats and higher soldier's atk boost. Obviously it depends on your playstyle whether you prefer safety vs more damage.
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Old 29-03-2019, 10:40 AM   #1482
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Well my main point is it's not that easy to gear Luna to high attack. You actually need to invest a lot.
Here's your post:



I forgot to add that armor doesn't increase MDef. Maybe you meant hat/helmet. But anyway we are just arguing in circle here. And lategame Flier Luna's damage >>>> Cherie's damage. She has higher attack stats and higher soldier's atk boost. Obviously it depends on your playstyle whether you prefer safety vs more damage.
Thanks for quoting. So did that statement made in comparison to anything?

2 SR oak gears and a SSR accessory. I think with SR greaves its also possible to hit high atk. Not correct? Hard?

Armor do add mdef %. Is that wrong? 15% mdef is not significant?

And yes, I already said that the flier luna's atk I saw rivals Leon. But yeah, having a high atk, but poor defense dps that may not even make it back isn't my playstyle.

I read the bros here that their Luna is not performing. Its not that she is a bad char, but its mainly due to wrong gears and wrong role. Like u said, Luna is a kiter. Very much agree with u.

She should be used as that, not as a cherie supplement or replacement.

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Old 29-03-2019, 11:46 AM   #1483
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SR or SSR? SR shouldn't have an issue. I think u know which SR are more rare than others, like the oak set.

SSR I kept everything just in case. Dupes I can upgrade directly without using the epic mat. Ultimately I hope every char to have their own gears and don't have to share.
So far I tried to zap those that I have a few qty on hand. I did notice there are certain SR that are rare.

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Old 29-03-2019, 11:49 AM   #1484
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Thanks for quoting. So did that statement made in comparison to anything?

2 SR oak gears and a SSR accessory. I think with SR greaves its also possible to hit high atk. Not correct? Hard?

Armor do add mdef %. Is that wrong? 15% mdef is not significant?

And yes, I already said that the flier luna's atk I saw rivals Leon. But yeah, having a high atk, but poor defense dps that may not even make it back isn't my playstyle.

I read the bros here that their Luna is not performing. Its not that she is a bad char, but its mainly due to wrong gears and wrong role. Like u said, Luna is a kiter. Very much agree with u.

She should be used as that, not as a cherie supplement or replacement.
My initial point is also she is not easy to reach 1k atk stats in battle, no comparison there. If my initial post didn't get this point across well then I apologize. She really isn't easy to gear because you need to raise up more gears (3) compared to traditional DPS (2), and you need to get lucky with equipment drop. This is another point why she is considered late game character. You need to get to higher base stats and farm higher level dragon for her gears. I actually just got Oak Jacket few days ago and am still using Feathered Light Armor due to insufficient resources to replace the armor.

I think the person here who says Luna is not performing, might actually be because he doesn't invest in Luna or invest in wrong stats/gears.

And agree with you, Luna is one of the best endgame DPS. In Timeless Trial A+ beyond, your tank can't even take a single hit, so kiting without getting damaged is very important and that's why Luna is so good.
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Old 29-03-2019, 12:06 PM   #1485
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My initial point is also she is not easy to reach 1k atk stats in battle, no comparison there. If my initial post didn't get this point across well then I apologize. She really isn't easy to gear because you need to raise up more gears (3) compared to traditional DPS (2), and you need to get lucky with equipment drop. This is another point why she is considered late game character. You need to get to higher base stats and farm higher level dragon for her gears. I actually just got Oak Jacket few days ago and am still using Feathered Light Armor due to insufficient resources to replace the armor.

I think the person here who says Luna is not performing, might actually be because he doesn't invest in Luna or invest in wrong stats/gears.

And agree with you, Luna is one of the best endgame DPS. In Timeless Trial A+ beyond, your tank can't even take a single hit, so kiting without getting damaged is very important and that's why Luna is so good.
Interestingly, I got the oak jacket a few days ago too. I wonder the game got any logic as to when it drops the same item in a particular day.

Thanks for the many inputs on Luna. Very insightful for me.

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