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Vulpix 11-03-2013 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chys (Post 74624308)
For discussion please, a 421+ is $775, that is like almost x3 212j. Apart from the possibility of having Raid 5/6/10 etc... Will you be better off with 2 x 212j with spare change? Though I noted that you will lost 50% hdd space. Let's do some math:

Setup 1 - 9TB (Assume Raid 5)
1 x 421+ - $775
4 x WD Red 3TB - $207 x 4 = $828
Total = $1603

Setup 2 - 3TB x 2 = 6TB (Assume Raid 1)
2 x 212j - $270 x 2 = $540
4 x WD Red 3TB - $207 x 4 = $828
Total = $1368


$1603 - $1368 = $235 (ie 1 WD Red 3TB with spare change)

So in the end you get same diskspace except that in Setup 1 3TB is unprotected per se.

Any other views?

The reason you want a 412+ is for the intel processor, faster speeds and transcoding feature only found on the 412+ and other Intel NAS. If none of those features makes sense to you, then don't put the 412+ in your list. Not a very fair comparison. You should replace the 412+ with a 413j.

Setup 1 - 9TB (Assume Raid 5)
1 x 413j - $475
4 x WD Red 3TB - $207 x 4 = $828
Total = $1303

See? It's actually cheaper. I rather just go with a 4 bay NAS with a cheap UPS which is even more secure than running 2x2 NAS.

Aegis 11-03-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulpix (Post 74623787)
2 drives fail at the same time is quite a rare thing lah. Really just sway sway got power trip at my home out of the blue, switch back on 2 drives uplorry. The drives I'm using also not really built for NAS use anyway, so sway lor.

I got myself an APC UPS, one with a USB connection to the NAS. Mine is APC Power-Saving Back-UPS Pro 900 but no need get until so hardcore one lah. I have this habit of buy one time buy a good unit so no need to think about it again. Think cost me around 325.

Now I configure my NAS to become the UPS server, so my UPS is connected directly to my NAS, my PC also connected to the UPS, and set it up to ping every 30 minutes since my PC is only switched on when I am at home. So if see my UPS start to kpkb know got power trip can shut down liao. :s13:

If I'm reading this correctly, your NAS is configured to let you know when the UPS kicks in during a power failure? How is this information sent to you?

Vulpix 11-03-2013 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aegis (Post 74624859)
If I'm reading this correctly, your NAS is configured to let you know when the UPS kicks in during a power failure? How is this information sent to you?

If you check the power setting in your NAS, you will find an option to check if your NAS can communicate with the UPS via an interface (most of the time USB cable from UPS to NAS/PC). So when there there is a trip, the UPS will kick in and tell the NAS that it is on battery power. I told my NAS to shutdown within 5 minutes of getting that signal. :D

My PC will do the same if I happen to not be there.

Ender 11-03-2013 04:35 PM

Another question. Suppose I get 4 pieces of 3TB HDD for my 413j at the moment. One day in the future of I want to upgrade to 4 pieces of 4TB HDD, is it possible to migrate all data to new 4X 4TB setup?

Vulpix 11-03-2013 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ender (Post 74624932)
Another question. Suppose I get 4 pieces of 3TB HDD for my 413j at the moment. One day in the future of I want to upgrade to 4 pieces of 4TB HDD, is it possible to migrate all data to new 4X 4TB setup?

There is no simple way to do it unfortunately. You have to copy it all to somewhere before you can do it. Upgrade to another Synology NAS is just a matter of plugging out the old drives and putting them into the new one, but changing the drives is an entire different ball game.

Aegis 11-03-2013 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulpix (Post 74624928)
If you check the power setting in your NAS, you will find an option to check if your NAS can communicate with the UPS via an interface (most of the time USB cable from UPS to NAS/PC). So when there there is a trip, the UPS will kick in and tell the NAS that it is on battery power. I told my NAS to shutdown within 5 minutes of getting that signal. :D

My PC will do the same if I happen to not be there.

Ok cool, I suaku didn't know it can do that. Maybe I will go get a UPS then, sounds like a good investment to protect against trips and such. My study does have a problem with tripping sometimes, think I have too many stuff on the grid. Any recommendations on a simple UPS?

Ender 11-03-2013 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulpix (Post 74625154)
There is no simple way to do it unfortunately. You have to copy it all to somewhere before you can do it. Upgrade to another Synology NAS is just a matter of plugging out the old drives and putting them into the new one, but changing the drives is an entire different ball game.

Thanks. It seems, I have to decide now whether to go for maximum capacity or not, which I may not even use up.

Vulpix 11-03-2013 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aegis (Post 74625249)
Ok cool, I suaku didn't know it can do that. Maybe I will go get a UPS then, sounds like a good investment to protect against trips and such. My study does have a problem with tripping sometimes, think I have too many stuff on the grid. Any recommendations on a simple UPS?

Not really, just go APC's website and look for one that suits your needs. Get one with a data port and make sure it has enough ports for your setup. Monitor, NAS, router, etc whatever other crap you wanna connect. If you have a power meter at home, check and see how much power your setup is consuming. These 300W UPS should buy you enough time to shut down your NAS/PC.

Vulpix 11-03-2013 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ender (Post 74625289)
Thanks. It seems, I have to decide now whether to go for maximum capacity or not, which I may not even use up.

I personally think you should not bother with maximum capacity until you know you are going to hit the max for sure. 3TB seems to be good value for now.

ykcin0 11-03-2013 04:56 PM

Can anyone help me with this problem?

I got a router behind router warning from my 2Wire RG.

My RG is connected to a gigabit switch and rest of my devices (and DS212j too) are connected to the network switch.

Vulpix 11-03-2013 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ykcin0 (Post 74625477)
Can anyone help me with this problem?

I got a router behind router warning from my 2Wire RG.

My RG is connected to a gigabit switch and rest of my devices (and DS212j too) are connected to the network switch.

Wah sibeh cheem issue. :eek:

Chys 11-03-2013 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vulpix (Post 74624718)
The reason you want a 412+ is for the intel processor, faster speeds and transcoding feature only found on the 412+ and other Intel NAS. If none of those features makes sense to you, then don't put the 412+ in your list. Not a very fair comparison. You should replace the 412+ with a 413j.

Setup 1 - 9TB (Assume Raid 5)
1 x 413j - $475
4 x WD Red 3TB - $207 x 4 = $828
Total = $1303

See? It's actually cheaper. I rather just go with a 4 bay NAS with a cheap UPS which is even more secure than running 2x2 NAS.

Great points! Thanks!

ttf 11-03-2013 06:12 PM

i got a 413J with 4x3TB Seagate barrcuda. i ask the IT-show person to help me configure it so that i have 1 redundancy.

Few questions.
1. How do i check whether i am on RAID-5 or SHR?
2. I downloaded the Apps DS-File. But when i try to open MKV video file on my iPad, it says video format not support. I then install DS-Video in my iPad, but unable to connect to NAS. Any guide that i can refer to?

Many thanks.

Vulpix 11-03-2013 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ttf (Post 74627325)
i got a 413J with 4x3TB Seagate barrcuda. i ask the IT-show person to help me configure it so that i have 1 redundancy.

Few questions.
1. How do i check whether i am on RAID-5 or SHR?
2. I downloaded the Apps DS-File. But when i try to open MKV video file on my iPad, it says video format not support. I then install DS-Video in my iPad, but unable to connect to NAS. Any guide that i can refer to?

Many thanks.

Check the synology wiki, most of the stuff you ask is there.

zidane88 11-03-2013 06:40 PM

Hi bros,

Just bought a 412+ and have a question.

I have 2 PCs (one with 10/100 NIC another with gigabit NIC) and synology 412+ NAS connected to the same gigabit router.

Will the PC with the 10/100 NIC connected to the Gigabit switch bring down the overall network performance causing the PC with gigabit NIC and Synology NAS to slow down to 10/100 speed?


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